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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2707

Today's Topics: 

  Re: Apt-Get or Aptitude               [ Andrew Sackville-West  ]
  Re: alsaconf and printing             [ Florian Kulzer  ]
  Getting power off to work in Etch...  [ Digby Tarvin  ]
  Re: Getting power off to work in Etc  [ Nigel Henry  ]
  Re: intall nvidia driver on debian l  [ Bogdan Marian  ]
  [News] I can`t beilieve they`re doin  [ Adam Lukac  ]
  Re: Re: digital pictures: reordering  [ "Herb Mann" 

Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:25:02 -0700


From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Apt-Get or Aptitude


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On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 08:03:42PM -0400, Celejar wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:13:23 -0500
> Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@ieee.org> wrote:
>=20


> > On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 10:06:59 -0700, Daniel Burrows <dburrows@debian.org=
> said:=20
> >=20
> > >   I'd say the main difference is that apt-get is a command-line tool,
> > > whereas aptitude is an interactive tool that can be driven from the
> > > command-line.
> >=20
> >         Are there still command line usages of apt-get that are not
> >  exactly the same in aptitude?  And has apt-get started keeping track of
>=20


> The classic examples that arise periodically on the list are apt-get's
> 'build-dep' and 'source' actions, which apparently have no obvious
> aptitude versions.
Do you need help?X

this bothers me, since I mostly use aptitude. When I need a build-dep
or source, I'm concerned that later aptitude may wipe something
inadvertantly. Do you know if there are plans to implement these
commands into aptitude? Or will apt-get always remain, so that its not
a problem?



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Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:09:50 +0100


From: Erik Persson <erik-maillist@djingis.se>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: iptables and virtual hosts problem

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Hello!


Do you need more help?X

I have a server which is running 2 different virtual hosts (vserver), 
let's call them S for the server, A and B for the virtual hosts A and B.
S, A and B have different ip-addresses (say s.s.s.s, a.a.a.a and b.b.b.b).



Since the server isn't really forwarding anything I haven't used the 
FORWARD chain for anything, and I use INPUT and OUTPUT to regulate the 
flow to the different servers, for example:


iptables -P INPUT DROP
iptables -P OUTPUT DROP
iptables -P FORWARD DROP
iptables -I INPUT -d a.a.a.a -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT


on the server


seems to do what I want. In the example above letting A and only A 
answer requests on port 80.



However, when I try to regulate the flow of traffic between the 
different "machines" (S, A, and B) strange things happen.



For example:


iptables -I OUTPUT -d a.a.a.a -p tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT
doesn't only allow any of the "machines" to try to contact port 25 on A, 
but it *also allows A to answer* !!!



I would very much like to know why:


iptables -I INPUT [...] -d a.a.a.a -p tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT
isn't required.



Thanks in advance!



/erik


Can we help you?X

Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:35:27 -0700


From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Apt-Get or Aptitude


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On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 11:50:37AM +0100, Dal wrote:

> Daniel Burrows wrote:


>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 12:14:18AM -0600, Nate Duehr <nate@natetech.com>=
=20

>> was heard to say:
>>  =20
>>> On Oct 28, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Daniel Burrows wrote:
>>>    =20
>>>>  I'd say the main difference is that apt-get is a command-line tool,
>>>> whereas aptitude is an interactive tool that can be driven from the
>>>> command-line.
>>>>      =20
>>> I would disagree.  Aptitude supports command-line operation as well as=


=20

>>> interactive.
>>>    =20
>>
>>   What I meant by that is that the project's goals and focus ...

> Aptitude user interface is really great. When I started with debian there=

=20

> was just dselect and I don't think that was user friendly.
> Just aptitude and synaptic too make debian easier for normal users. Anywa=

y=20

> it's pity that aptitude doesn't (maybe I just can't find it) source=20
> download. Something like apt-get source package.
>


> Anyway it has really better problems-with-packages solving :)

>



yeah, Daniel, great work!



just want to ask the same question as above as regards build-dep? Will
that become a part of aptitude in the future or will it remain in
apt-get with the two packages maintained in parallel?=20



thanks for your work on debian!


Don't know where to look next?X

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Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:40:41 -0700


From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: alsaconf and printing


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Confused? Frustrated?X

On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 10:41:37PM -0000, Ed wrote:

>=20


> However, using the Desktop->Administration->printing  Add Printer tool=20
> still does not produce a printers.conf file in /etc/cups, BUT using the=

=20

> CUPS HTML frontend, I did create a printers.conf file. In fact, the CUPS=

=20

> HTML frontend 'said' the installation was successful.  However, I still=

=20

> can not print.  The problem probably is the printer address.  I don't=20
> know what to enter here. My printer is hooked up to another computer on=

=20

> my local network that runs samba and my windows laptops can see and print=

=20

> to it. =20

try ipp://<ip_of_print_server>/printers/<name_of_print_queue>



and make sure that printer is published and available to other
computers and it should just work. (heh). Use a "Raw" printer driver
for it. BTW.



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Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:30:22 +0000


From: Digby Tarvin <digbyt@acm.org>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: getting sound to stick in Etch...

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That did it - Thanks!!



On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 03:59:25PM +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 14:28:27 +0000, Digby Tarvin wrote:
> > I am having a problem getting audio functionality to stick in a 
> > newly installed Etch system on a Dell precision 410 MT.
> > 
> > There was no sound device immediately after install, so I ran
> > alsaconf, selected:
> > 	legacy Probe legacy ISA (non-PnP) chips
> > told it to probe "cs4236   Cirrus Logic CS4235-9" then answered Y to
> > 	Do you want to modify /etc/modprobe.d/sound
> > And I get
> > 	 OK, sound driver is configured.
> >  	 ALSA CONFIGURATOR  will prepare the card for playing now.
> > 	 Now I will load the ALSA sound driver and use
> > 	 amixer to raise the default volumes.
> > 
> > This results in /etc/modprobe.d/sound containing:
> >  alias snd-card-0 snd-cs4236
> >  options snd-cs4236 index=0 port=0x530 cport=0x538 isapnp=0 dma1=1 dma2=0 irq=5
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Two problems...
> > 1. after rebooting it is all gone and I have no sound again :(
> >    I assume the modprobe.d/sound file should be causing sound to be configured
> >    at boot time, but it appears not to be..
> >    Any ideas what is going wrong or what I still need to do?
> >
> > 2. No /dev/dsp, so attempting to run esd for gnome fails...
> >    Could it be anything to do with the /etc/modprobe.d entry:
> >    lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root    41 2007-10-27 21:42 linux-sound-base_noOSS -> /lib/linux-sound-base/noOSS.modprobe.conf
> 
> Adding the following two lines to /etc/modules might help:
> 
> snd_cs4236
> snd_pcm_oss
> 
> -- 
> Regards,            | http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
>           Florian   |
> 
> 
> -- 
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@lists.debian.org 
> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org
-- 
Digby R. S. Tarvin                                          digbyt(at)digbyt.com
http://www.digbyt.com

Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:35:34 +0100
From: Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: alsaconf and printing
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On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 22:41:37 -0000, Ed wrote:

[...]


> I added my user name to groups lp and lpadmin, rebooted, and can see both 
> in groups username.
> 
> However, using the Desktop->Administration->printing  Add Printer tool 
> still does not produce a printers.conf file in /etc/cups, BUT using the 
> CUPS HTML frontend, I did create a printers.conf file. In fact, the CUPS 
> HTML frontend 'said' the installation was successful.  However, I still 
> can not print.  The problem probably is the printer address.  I don't 
> know what to enter here. My printer is hooked up to another computer on 
> my local network that runs samba and my windows laptops can see and print 
> to it.  If I look at the printers.conf file on that computer, there is a 
> line that says DeviceURI hal:///org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device....
> (more junk here).  Anyway, not knowing what to put for printer address, I 
> put http://'the ip address of the local computer that has the printer 
> connected to it':9100.  The CUPS HTML frontend tool seemed happy with 
> that, but obviously, that was not really what it wanted as I can not 
> print even a test page.
> 
> Still learning and reading, but not there yet.


See section "CUPS and Samba" here: http://wiki.debian.org/CUPS

To test your ability to access the SMB-shared printer, run this command
on the client machine:

smbclient -U USER -L //HOST

This will list all SMB-shares (folders, printers, etc.) which USER can
access on HOST. (You will be prompted for USER's password on HOST.)

It is also possible to bypass Samba by using ipp:// to connect to the
print server or by putting the appropriate ServerName into the client's
cupsd.conf file. However, both these methods require you to change the
default cupsd.conf on the print server to accept these connections. See
"man cupsd.conf" for details.

-- 
Regards,            | http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
          Florian   |



Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:14:39 +0100
From: Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: tetex-base: Conflicts: jadetex (<= 3.13-6) but 3.13-6 is to be
	installed
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On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 10:18:02 +0100, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:

> On 10/29/07, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 15:24:00 +0100, Mathieu Malaterre wrote:
> > > Could someone please let me know what this is supposed to mean:
> > >
> > > tetex-base: Conflicts: jadetex (<= 3.13-6) but 3.13-6 is to be installed
> > >
> > > Command:
> > >
> > > $ sudo apt-get  install  docbook-utils jadetex tetex-bin tetex-extra tetex-base
> > >
> > > on debian oldstable (sarge)
> >
> > It seems that you are trying to install Etch's version of tetex-base
> > together with Sarge's version of jadetex. Please post the output of
> >
> > apt-cache policy jadetex tetex-base
> 
> Hi Florian,
> 
>   Here it is:
> 
> jadetex:
>   Installed: (none)
>   Candidate: 3.13-6
>   Version table:
>      3.13-9 0
>         -10 http://ftp.debian.org testing/main Packages
>      3.13-6 0
>         500 http://debian.theralys.com sarge/main Packages
> tetex-base:
>   Installed: (none)
>   Candidate: 3.0.dfsg.3-5~bpo.1
>   Version table:
>      2007-12 0
>         -10 http://ftp.debian.org testing/main Packages
>      3.0.dfsg.3-5~bpo.1 0
>         900 http://debian.theralys.com sarge-backports/main Packages
>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
>      2.0.2c-8 0
>         500 http://debian.theralys.com sarge/main Packages


You seem to have pinned sarge-backports to a priority of 900, at least
as far as tetex is concerned. Jadetex is not available in
sarge-backports and its sarge version does not work with the backported
(newer) tetex. You can try this:

apt-get install  docbook-utils jadetex tetex-bin/sarge tetex-extra/sarge tetex-base/sarge

or simply reduce the pin priority of sarge-backports to <500.

-- 
Regards,            | http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
          Florian   |



Date:  Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:56:05 -0400
From: "H.S." <hs.samix@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  raw1394 and 2.6.22 in testing
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Hello,

I recall reading someplace that raw1394 module is no longer included in
2.6.22 kernel and up. Consequently, one cannot use dvgrab in these
kernels. Anybody know what is the status now? Or any other method with
which to use dvgrab (and/or kino) with these kernels in Debian?

thanks,
->HS



Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:58:22 +0000
From: Digby Tarvin <digbyt@acm.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Getting power off to work in Etch...
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Does anyone know the secret to getting Etch to power down the system
after a halt. I have tried 'apt-get install apmd', but it doesn't
seem to have helped.

I know the hardware can do it, because it worked with the very old
version of Ubuntu I tried before Debian (5.04).

The machine is a Dell Precision 410 with new Etch netinst just done...

Thanks,
DigbyT
-- 
Digby R. S. Tarvin                                          digbyt(at)digbyt.com
http://www.digbyt.com

Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:35:52 +0100
From: Nigel Henry <cave.dnb@tiscali.fr>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Getting power off to work in Etch...
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On Tuesday 30 October 2007 18:58, Digby Tarvin wrote:

> Does anyone know the secret to getting Etch to power down the system
> after a halt. I have tried 'apt-get install apmd', but it doesn't
> seem to have helped.

>

> I know the hardware can do it, because it worked with the very old
> version of Ubuntu I tried before Debian (5.04).

>

> The machine is a Dell Precision 410 with new Etch netinst just done...

>

> Thanks,
> DigbyT


Hi Digby. There's a multitude of possible fixes for this one. I've had no 
problems with my Debian, Sarge, Etch, and Lenny installs, all on the same 
machine, but a Fedora version had shutdown problems on this machine, and 
appending the kernel line with acpi=force in /boot/grub/grub.conf fixed it.

I did see another possible fix in the Debian archives, but will have to look 
for that.

Nigel.


Do you need help?X

Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:36:14 +0200
From: Bogdan Marian <mendingo84@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: intall nvidia driver on debian lenny
Message-ID: <4728CB1E.1030303@gmail.com>
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This is turning into a nightmare. I've been Google-ing for 2 days now 
and i'm still stuck with the "nv" driver... I've used the NVIDIA way to 
install because i can't find any good alternative way tutorial for 
Debian Lenny...

Bogdan

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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:14:00 +0200
From: Bogdan Marian <mendingo84@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: intall nvidia driver on debian lenny
References: <47275874.2080708@gmail.com> <472609E3.6080201@mminternet.com> <47275DFD.7060800@gmail.com> <4726126E.9060807@mminternet.com> <47276C37.6020000@gmail.com> <4726249C.9070406@mminternet.com> <472792C8.9080702@gmail.com> <4726479F.1060803@verizon.net> <47267172.80302@o2.pl>
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MRH wrote:

> Dnia 29/10/07 20:50,Nick Lidakis napisa=C5=82:

>> Bogdan Marian wrote:
>>
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> Yes, it was running with the free version of the driver. I can=20
>>> successfully start if i change the Driver section to "nv" from=20
>>> "nvidia". In fact, that's how i'm able to send you this mail.
>>>
>>
>> I had a similar problem once; realized I forgot to do "apt-get=20
>> install nvidia-glx" which creates some necessary TLS links.
>

> This page should be helpful, it describes the whole process quite well=20
> (with different ways of installing the driver) and offers some=20
> troubleshooting:
> http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers

>

> Kind regards,
> Michal R. Hoffmann

>
>
Hello,

Nick, I'm running Lenny, so nvidia-glx is not in the repos...
Michal, I tried the methods on that page and it didn't work... Last=20
thing i tried was to install the NVIDIA way, using the Nvidia .bin=20
supplied from their home site...still no luck.

Bogdan


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Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:35:02 +0100
From: Miroslaw Zalewski <miniopl@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Fluxbox 1.0 -- issue with transparent icons on toolbar
Message-ID: <20071030193502.44abe9f7@pingwin.place.you.dont.want.to.be>
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Hello

I'm running once-a-day updated Debian testing (I believe it's called
"lenny"). Today my aptitude safe-upgrade installed the newest version
of Fluxbox -- 1.0.=20

After rebooting my computer, I found out that it doesn't display icons
on toolbar correctly. I think it's an issue with only PNGs with aplha
channel. I.e. rocket from Psi (old 0.10 release) is surrounded by
bright orange. Opera's logo is surrounded by bright grey. Of course
on previous version of Fluxbox -- 1.0rc3 -- everything was fine.

I have GeForce FX 5200 graphic card and I'm using free "nv" driver.
I have libimlib2 package installed at version 1.3.0.0debian1-4.
I tried reinstalling all xserver-xorg-video-nv, imlib-base, libimlib2,
libpng12-0 and imagemagick packages, but after=20

  # startx -- :1

new instance of Fluxbox had the same issue.=20

Did anybody had the same problem? How can I get things fixed? Or is it
known issue and I have to switch back to Fluxbox 1.0rc3 for some time
to have things working?

Thanks in advance for all your help.

PS. Please don't mind my poor English, Polish is my mother-tongue.
--=20
Ni=C5=BCej podpisany, zamieszka=C5=82y w http://minio.xt.pl ,
                       Miros=C5=82aw Zalewski



Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:09:31 -0400
From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Apt-Get or Aptitude
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:25:02 -0700
Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:


> On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 08:03:42PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:13:23 -0500
> > Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@ieee.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 10:06:59 -0700, Daniel Burrows <dburrows@debian.org> said: 
> > > 
> > > >   I'd say the main difference is that apt-get is a command-line tool,
> > > > whereas aptitude is an interactive tool that can be driven from the
> > > > command-line.
> > > 
> > >         Are there still command line usages of apt-get that are not
> > >  exactly the same in aptitude?  And has apt-get started keeping track of
> > 
> > The classic examples that arise periodically on the list are apt-get's
> > 'build-dep' and 'source' actions, which apparently have no obvious
> > aptitude versions.
> 
> this bothers me, since I mostly use aptitude. When I need a build-dep
> or source, I'm concerned that later aptitude may wipe something
> inadvertantly. Do you know if there are plans to implement these
> commands into aptitude? Or will apt-get always remain, so that its not
> a problem?


I really don't know; I have never built anything (except kernels and
modules with kernel-package) from Debian source packages.  Why not ask
Daniel directly?


> A


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Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:08:24 +0100
From: Adam Lukac <natasa.r.g@3dnet.co.yu>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: [News] I can`t beilieve they`re doing this...
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Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:13:40 -0500
From: "Herb Mann" <herbmann@kingwoodcable.net>
To: <hs.samix@gmail.com>
Cc: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Re: digital pictures: reordering and renaming (in a different way)
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Sorry, to bother you, but on a forum you wrote that you can rearrange images
in XP via Drag and Drop. What program within XP are you using? This is
precisely what I have been looking for.


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