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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2725

Today's Topics: 

  Re: Debian on Core2Duo 64bit          [ Micha Feigin  ]
  dictd local server secure?            [ BartlebyScrivener  ]
  Re: GLIBC_2.4                         [ Miles Bader  ]
  Installing a promise ata 66 pci ide   [ Sam  ]
  Re: Etch and Audio CDs                [ steef  ]
  Re: [OT] Scripting question: the len  [ Wei Chen  ]
  Re: reverting to 'standard' etch ins  [ Richard Lyons  ]
  Re: "Waiting for root file system...  [ Johannes Wiedersich  ]
  Re: problems replacing fam by gamin   [ "Michael M. Moore" 

Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:10:16 +0200


From: Micha Feigin <michf@post.tau.ac.il>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Debian on Core2Duo 64bit

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On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:59:29 -0400


Jose Luis Rivas Contreras <ghostbar38@gmail.com> wrote:


> Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 10:29:35PM +0100, P?l Cs?nyi wrote:
> >> 2007/10/31, Jose Luis Rivas Contreras <ghostbar38@gmail.com>:
> >>> Semih Gokalp wrote:
> >>>> Hi.
> >>>>
> >>>> Which debian dist should I install on core2duo 64 bit pcu? x86 or amd64 ?
> >>> amd64.
> >> amd64 is not only for the AMD processors?
> >>
> >> I have an Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU6320  @ 1.86GHz
> >>
> >> Should I install too the amd64 Debian distribution on this system?
> >>
> > 
> > As long as you don't want to run one of the (couple of) third-party apps
> > that need i396 in Etch without also putting in an i386 chroot.  Note,
> > that many 32-bit apps will actually run in amd64 with the 32-bit libs
> > package.  I don't know about acroread since I don't use it.  Iceweasel
> > 32-bit with flashplayer needed a chroot.  A chroot isn't much to set up
> > or maintain.
> 
> It's not needed anymore at least in sid with flashplayer, in fact,
> there's a package in debian-multimedia.org that makes all the work for
> you, I mean, the configuration of the wrapper.
> 
> Regards,
> Jose Luis.

The only think that didn't work either directly or the 32bit libraries for
amd64 was skype that required downloading the static version and then I also
needed to pull a library from another package, don't remember which one at the
moment


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Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:43:57 -0700


From: BartlebyScrivener <bscrivener42@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: dictd local server secure?


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I've been on Etch for about a year. Still learning ins and outs. I
installed the dictd server for local use only (I hope). I'm behind NAT
router etc, but when I do nmap on local network, it says:



Not shown: 1677 closed ports

PORT     STATE SERVICE


111/tcp  open  rpcbind


113/tcp  open  auth


2628/tcp open  dict



I installed the dict server only for my local machine, so wondering
why it shows open?  If anybody has experience in this please advise or
point to more reading.



Thank you,



rd


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Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 06:02:44 +0200


From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: reverting to 'standard' etch installation
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On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 10:11:00AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
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> 5.=09
> 	Now, anything else in the list are packages from stable that got
> 	upgraded to unstable as part of installing gnomad2 (things that
> 	gnomad2 required at a higher version than things in stable).
> 	One at a time, find the same package name in the regular section
> 	and see what depends on it and see if you have anything.  Then,
> 	mark for removal the package in obsolete, mark the stable
> 	package for install and mark it for automatic.

You could also press Enter to open the package description. At the=20
bottom you can see all available versions. If all you have in=20
sources.list is etch you shouldn't see more than 2 (the installed=20
unstable one and the etch one). Marking the etch version for install=20
should mark the other one for removal.



Regards,


Andrei


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If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)



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Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 06:08:20 +0200


From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Etch 2.6.18-5-486 stable but 2.6.18-5-686 crashes on PIII

        SMP???


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On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 01:04:12PM +0000, Digby Tarvin wrote:
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> I am hoping that there might be some kernel experts out there that can
> offer some suggestions as to what might be going wrong with the 686
> kernel, and which I might be able to try in order to resolve (or at least
> explain) the problem...

If you don't get any meaningful answers here maybe you could try the=20
debian-kernel list, but please post back if you solve it, I'm very=20
curious of the outcome.


Don't know where to look next?X

Regards,


Andrei


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Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 20:51:14 -0700


From: "muthuraman.s" <Mutthuramans@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: CD integrity checking failed

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>   what is the utility you use for the check, please?
>


> regards,
>


> --
> "L'essere =E8 unito all'ente nello stesso modo in cui la vita =E8 unita a=

lla morte"

> Rashna
> MIcaela Gallerini

Hi,

                Thanks. I selected the option from the installation


menu" Check CDROM integrity" which was available down the menu.
Thanks .


Muthu.


Confused? Frustrated?X

Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 04:12:26 -0000


From: DanKegel <daniel.r.kegel@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: WINE under Lenny


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On Nov 1, 2:10 pm, John Masters <johnmast...@oxtedonline.net> wrote:

> Tried (paid for) Crossover Office sometime ago. MS Office worked mostly
> but nothing else did, including iTunes, which was my main reason for
> purchasing.

For what it's worth, there's been progress on running iTunes 7 on
Wine lately.  It still can't find your iPod, but at least it can
buy music from the iTunes store and play music.



The breakthrough was that the Wine developer who knows
the most about crypt32 managed to get a gig working
on Wine for the summer, so he was able to work on it
full time.  Now Wine's crypt32 support seems up to snuff,
and some other part of Wine is holding back iTunes.
- Dan



Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 13:58:31 +0900


From: Miles Bader <miles.bader@necel.com>
To: John Hasler <jhasler@debian.org>


Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: GLIBC_2.4


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John Hasler <jhasler@debian.org> writes:

> See my other reponse to this thread.  ~/bin at the front of $PATH is a
> security risk.
Call Pantek today for Open Source Technical Support at 1-877-546-8934 - 24/7/365X

No it's not.



It an attacker is able to install stuff in ~/bin, they can (and almost
certainly would) also modify your .profile (etc) to change PATH
themselves.



-Miles


-- 
"Most attacks seem to take place at night, during a rainstorm, uphill,
 where four map sheets join."   -- Anon. British Officer in WW I


Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 23:06:32 -0700
From: Sam <transiency@transiency.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Installing a promise ata 66 pci ide card
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Hi all and thanks in advance,

I have reached a storage conundrum, i have a dual p3 server 1gbit ram
running off a 9 gig scsi as well as 4 ide hdd's totalling 1.5Terabytes. The
problem is: I cannot afford scsi drives and i have used up all 4 ide slots.
I am trying to plan for expansion, I happen to have a promise ultra ata 66
pci card with two ide slots. My question being what is necessary to install
this promise card? I tried googling but there was nothing but "debian not
recognizing hard disks, using promise card" etc, nothing about installing
the card on a boxen that already has debian on it.

As a side note, if anyone has any other suggestions for expansion, feel free
to field them, as I am not set in my ways ;)

Thanks, Sam

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Hi all and thanks in advance,<br><br>I have reached a storage conundrum, i have a dual p3 server 1gbit ram running off a 9 gig scsi as well as 4 ide hdd&#39;s totalling 1.5Terabytes. The problem is: I cannot afford scsi drives and i have used up all 4 ide slots. I am trying to plan for expansion, I happen to have a promise ultra ata 66 pci card with two ide slots. My question being what is necessary to install this promise card? I tried googling but there was nothing but &quot;debian not recognizing hard disks, using promise card&quot; etc, nothing about installing the card on a boxen that already has debian on it.
<br><br>As a side note, if anyone has any other suggestions for expansion, feel free to field them, as I am not set in my ways ;)<br><br>Thanks, Sam<br>

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Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 06:20:22 +0000
From: steef <steefvanduin@zonnet.nl>
To: debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Etch and Audio CDs
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Michelle Konzack wrote:

> Am 2007-10-26 15:45:56, schrieb steef:
>   

>> Michelle Konzack wrote:
>>     
>>>      However, I have riped all...
>>>  
>>>       
>> *how* ?
>>     
>

> cdda2wav

>

> ...and leave it running up to the time when it exited
> normaly after writing 1000000 errors on my console.

>

> Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
>     Michelle Konzack
>     Tamay Dogan Network

>
>

>   


thanks,

steef



Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:01:43 +0800
From: Wei Chen <wchenhk@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [OT] Scripting question: the length limit of a list?
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Mike Bird wrote:

> On Thursday 01 November 2007 13:07, Wei Chen wrote:

>> I would like to write a bash script like the following one:
>>
>> for i in `some program that outputs a word list`
>> do
>>   echo $i
>> done
>>
>> where the word list can be very very long. I wonder what is the upper bound
>> limit of the length of word lists in "for" loop of a bash script, or
>> does it only
>> depend on the hardware (say, RAM)? Thank you in advance.

> 
> Assuming that the words are output one per line, something
> like the following can handle lists of any size:
> 
> some program | while read i; do echo $i; done
> 


Thanks for all the replies. I think the method of piping ``while read''
can be a good replacement. I have changed my script accordingly. Thank you.

- --
Cheers,

Wei Chen
http://www.acplex.com/people/wchen/
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Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:25:13 +0100
From: Richard Lyons <richard@the-place.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: reverting to 'standard' etch installation
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On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 06:02:44AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:


> On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 10:11:00AM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
>  
> > 5.	
> > 	Now, anything else in the list are packages from stable that got
> > 	upgraded to unstable as part of installing gnomad2 (things that
> > 	gnomad2 required at a higher version than things in stable).
> > 	One at a time, find the same package name in the regular section
> > 	and see what depends on it and see if you have anything.  Then,
> > 	mark for removal the package in obsolete, mark the stable
> > 	package for install and mark it for automatic.
> 
> You could also press Enter to open the package description. At the 
> bottom you can see all available versions. If all you have in 


Or 'v' gives you the versions without the description (in case you don't
know).  'q' takes you back where you were in either case.

-- 
richard



Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:39:08 +0100
From: Lubos Vrbka <lists@vrbka.net>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: font change after kdm/xdm login
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hi guys,

i am using enlightenment 0.16 as my window manager. up to now i was 
using xdm as my login manager. recently, i tried to install and use kdm...

then, fonts in several applications (e.g., psi, iceweasel, conky, ...) 
differ when i log in using xdm (the fonts i am used to - optimized for 
my desktop) and kdm (different fonts than i am used to, so they don't 
look well and my desktop customization is gone). for me it seems that, 
e.g. 'arial:size=8' used in psi after login with xdm, is a completely 
different from arial:size=8 font used in psi after login with kdm.

could anybody shed some light in this, please? probably some kdm config 
issue? is it somehow setting some environment variables that are 
changing font handling/preference/...?

best regards,

-- 
Lubos _@_"
http://www.lubos.vrbka.net
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Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:07:10 +0100
From: Johannes Wiedersich <johannes@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: "Waiting for root file system..." hang solved
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Cameron L. Spitzer wrote:
[snip upgrade instructions]

Thanks for posting your experience! I am sure it will be useful to others.


> You could have a debate about whether this is an installer
> bug, a kernel package bug, a udev bug, or operator error.


If I understand correctly, you upgraded the kernel and the new kernel
would not boot. Then it would be a kernel bug.

- From the installation/upgrade instructions from sarge to etch I
remember, that one was supposed to upgrade the kernel and just the
kernel, then reboot and upgrade other packages. Is this still the case?
Did you follow the upgrade instructions?

Johannes

NB: Unfortunately, I could not find any recent installation / upgrade
instructions for lenny. The development version [1] still claims to be
about the upgrade from sarge to etch and always refers to etch and never
to lenny [2].

[1] http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/
[2] http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/install.en.pdf
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Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:43:16 +0100
From: "Micaela Gallerini" <mat.r.gl@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: CD integrity checking failed
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Il 02/11/07, muthuraman.s<Mutthuramans@gmail.com> ha scritto:


> Hi,
>                 Thanks. I selected the option from the installation
> menu" Check CDROM integrity" which was available down the menu.
> Thanks .
> Muthu.

>
>

hi,
  ok...^^

I thank you have yet installed the operative system.

Some packages are corrupt, so when you try to check the disk it is rejected=
 .
The operative system base it installed also some package corruption.

When you have installed the operative system base and try to install
anything the system reject you

"Is not possible to install xxx package"

regards,

--
"La stupidit=E0 non diventer=E0 mai intelligenza"
RAshna
Micaela Gallerini



Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 10:22:15 +0000
From: steef <steefvanduin@zonnet.nl>
To: debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: RFH: rt2570 -- RT2570 wireless network drivers
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Ben Hutchings wrote:

> Development of the rt2570 driver is nearly dead upstream - it is
> replaced by the rt2x00 drivers, but they may not yet work as well for
> everyone.  There are unlikely to be any more official, well-tested,
> releases.

>

> None of the developers currently in the pkg-ralink group have access to
> devices supported by the rt2570 driver.  So we need some users of this
> driver to test new versions of the package before we upload them.  If
> you are willing to do this, please respond to this bug.

>

> Ben.

>

>   

this chip is of the 'ralink' type like on (some??) asus wireless cards??

steef



Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 04:04:53 -0700
From: "Michael M. Moore" <michael@writemoore.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: problems replacing fam by gamin (was: going from XFCE to
	Gnome?)
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On Sun, 2007-10-28 at 12:54 +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 03:24:28 -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > I found a few problems on my system (Lenny/testing) after I replaced fam
> > with gamin:
> > 
> > 1)  Menus in OO.org took many seconds to open -- at least 15, perhaps
> > 20.  This was extremely irritating and made OO.org a pain to use.
> > 
> > 2)  The GNOME trash applet no longer updated to show when there were
> > items in the trash.  I could no longer empty the trash from the panel.
> > Not such a big deal, but I typically have most windows on most desktops
> > maximized so I don't usually make use of any icons on the desktop.  So I
> > found it convenient to empty the trash from the panel.
> > 
> > 3)  Nautilus was considerably slower to respond to any attempts to open
> > a new window.  The problem wasn't as severe as the problem with OO.org
> 
> These seem to be pretty serious problems, worthy of being reported as
> bugs. I cannot comment any further on these issues since I don't use
> Gnome.



I wondered about that, but then I didn't know (heh, I almost typed
"gnow") whether they were GNOME bugs, OO.org bugs, or gamin bugs.  I
never know what to do when it's the combination of packages that present
a problem, rather than a specific package.



> > Restoring fam and removing gamin put things back to normal.  But the
> > reason I installed gamin in the first place is that exaile requires it,
> > so in the end I decided to remove a lot of GNOME and am using Openbox
> > instead.  OO.org works fine with gamin, as long as you aren't using it
> > under GNOME.  If you use it under GNOME, it appears you need fam, or
> > will face some major irritation.  I still use the GNOME panel, mainly
> > because I love Tomboy and find a few other features of that panel
> > appealing, but I no longer use the Trash applet nor the trash bin at
> > all.  I'm no longer using Nautilus, though it is still installed.
> 
> I think it is unlikely that such obvious problems would go unnoticed by
> the (Debian-)Gnome community. Could you be missing some recommended
> packages? You could run
> 
> aptitude search '!~i(~dgnome|~dgtk|~dopenoffice)~RBrecommends:~i'
> 
> and check if anything suspicious turns up, for example something related
> to gnome-vfs. (This search command should find all not installed
> packages which have "gnome", "gtk" or "openoffice" in their description
> and which would satisfy a currently unfulfilled recommendation of some
> installed package.)



I regularly audit the recommendations using aptitude.  The only problem
I could find was aptitude complaining about fam being uninstalled, which
of course I already knew.

In any case I've changed things all around again and have moved up to
unstable.  I used to think that one day I would find the *perfect*
distro, configuration, and set of apps for me, but now I've realized
that the whole thing is perpetually a work-in-progress. :-)


-- 
Michael M. ++ Portland, OR ++ USA
"No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions
of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to
dream." --S. Jackson



Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:45:19 -0700
From: justsimplequestions <sigmatechnology@googlemail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: apt-get failing
Message-ID: <1194000319.400545.6900@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>
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On Nov 2, 12:40 am, Jude DaShiell <jdash...@shellworld.net> wrote:

> See if you can get out to google.com with your browser and if you do so,
> have your browser refresh the page and see if the google.com page comes up
> again.  If it doesn't you've either got a modem needing updating or
> another internet connectivity problem.  you could try dhclient -r &&
> ifconfig eth0 -promisc && dhclient and see if your network comes up.
> Then tryapt-getupdate again to see what happens.  Same failure, your
> modem may need updating of software and/or firmware.

>

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Thanks for all your help guys. The dns entry in my resolv.conf was
pointing to its own ip address (it is not a dns server) and the second
entry was a public dns server (4.2.2.1) that must have been down for a
few days. All is working now but I will remove the entry pointing to
its own ip address and put in a couple of other public dns servers.
Many many thanks for sorting this out.



Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 04:18:27 -0700
From: "Michael M. Moore" <michael@writemoore.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: going from XFCE to Gnome?
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On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 10:50 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 03:24:28AM -0700, Michael M. wrote:
> > On Sat, 2007-10-20 at 21:12 +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > > As far as the fam vs. gamin problem is concerned,
> > > aptitude figured out the correct course of action all by itself. It
> > > proposed to ignore the recommendation of fam by these two packages and
> > > to leave fam uninstalled, thus keeping gamin intact on your system, for
> > > both XFCE and Gnome to use. All you had to do was to accept the proposed
> > > solution.
> > > 
> > > Running aptitude --without-recommends sidestepped the problem, but now
> > > you might be missing some Gnome features which are implemented by other
> > > recommended packages.
> > 
> > 
> > I found a few problems on my system (Lenny/testing) after I replaced fam
> > with gamin:
> > 
> > 1)  Menus in OO.org took many seconds to open -- at least 15, perhaps
> > 20.  This was extremely irritating and made OO.org a pain to use.
> 
> do you perhaps have the openoffice.org-gnome package installed? that
> integrates with GnomeVFS and other stuff. You may want to try adding
> or removing that package to see if that makes a difference. 



I did have it installed, then tried removing it.  It didn't make any
difference.  Still, a good suggestion!



> > 2)  The GNOME trash applet no longer updated to show when there were
> > items in the trash.  I could no longer empty the trash from the panel.
> > Not such a big deal, but I typically have most windows on most desktops
> > maximized so I don't usually make use of any icons on the desktop.  So I
> > found it convenient to empty the trash from the panel.
> > 
> > 3)  Nautilus was considerably slower to respond to any attempts to open
> > a new window.  The problem wasn't as severe as the problem with OO.org
> > 
> > Restoring fam and removing gamin put things back to normal. 
> 
> just out of curiosity, what other packages got pulled in/out as a
> result of this? 



Exaile was the only thing I had installed that required gamin, so I
(temporarily) removed that when I removed gamin.  Removing fam didn't
cause anything I can remember to be removed, but dpkg showed warnings
about a couple of packages requiring fam.



> > But the
> > reason I installed gamin in the first place is that exaile requires it,
> > so in the end I decided to remove a lot of GNOME and am using Openbox
> > instead.  OO.org works fine with gamin, as long as you aren't using it
> > under GNOME.  If you use it under GNOME, it appears you need fam, or
> > will face some major irritation.  I still use the GNOME panel, mainly
> > because I love Tomboy and find a few other features of that panel
> > appealing, but I no longer use the Trash applet nor the trash bin at
> > all.  I'm no longer using Nautilus, though it is still installed.  I can
> > get by pretty well with mc and the command line.
> > 
> > So much for Linux "just working."  When they tell you Linux is "about
> > choice," they often forget to mention that you'll find your choices
> > restricted by packages and apps that do not play as well together as
> > they are supposed to.  GNOME is a really nice DE, but I am sick and
> > tired of my choices being restricted by using it.
> >
> 
> I understand you are frustrated. FWIW, I found things "just work" much
> better if you get out of the main DE's. They force lots of stuff on
> you in order to set up their environments, but as a result the
> possibilities of conflicting are much higher... 



Yep, that's the problem with the DE's.  You either accept the GNOME/KDE
ways of doing things or you probably run into some incompatibilities
somewhere down the line when you try to use other things.  It's been
awhile since I last tried KDE, but GNOME at least has improved
considerably over the past several versions in working better with
software not developed with GNOME in mind.  It's still not all the way
there, at least not the way Debian packages it.


-- 
Michael M. ++ Portland, OR ++ USA
"No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions
of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to
dream." --S. Jackson

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