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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2726

Today's Topics: 

  installing XFCE - again               [ "muthuraman.s"  ]
  Re: bcm43xx problem                   [ "Sinan Nalkaya"  ]
  Re: installing XFCE - again           [ Ron Johnson  ]
  Re: Cobol compiler                    [ "Ali Milis"  ]
  libgtkhtml: need help with compilati  [ Rehceb Rotkiv  ]
  Re: Apt-Get or Aptitude               [ "Douglas A. Tutty" 

Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 04:07:16 -0700


From: "muthuraman.s" <Mutthuramans@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: installing XFCE - again


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Hi all,


     Commands like "apt-get *" have gone on strike in my computer and
they are not going to work like how they have been so far. Synaptic
will hang itself after "7 of 20 files" .Many posts regarding this
topic are explained with only "apt".  System->Quit->session->start
xclient will not work in my computer .



           Yes, I forgot the question. I want to get the whole .deb
package for Ubuntu 7.04 from the net( not via apt) , sothat I can
install it as one more .deb package . I am finding only the source
code in XFCE.org.


 The binary distribution for XFCE in debian group will say"GLib  is
not found  and I am quitting this installation" .  I want to know
whether I can download  XFCE as a .deb package from the net and can I
install the same with "dpkg"?


Do you need help?X

Thanks.



Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:31:48 +0000


From: michael <cs@networkingnewsletter.org.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: how to reinstall?

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I have a system I've hosed and I wish to reinstall the 'etch' o/s.  
The current set up is


Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda2             274M  126M  134M  49% /
tmpfs                1007M     0 1007M   0% /lib/init/rw
udev                   10M   84K   10M   1% /dev
tmpfs                1007M     0 1007M   0% /dev/shm
/dev/hda5             1.9G   48M  1.7G   3% /boot
/dev/hda10            2.8G  1.8G  1.1G  62% /data

Do you need more help?X

/dev/hda11             11G  1.1G  9.0G  11% /home
/dev/hda9             449M   25K  425M   1% /tmp
/dev/hda7             4.6G  1.8G  2.7G  40% /usr
/dev/hda6             5.5G  927M  4.4G  18% /var
/dev/hdc              551M  551M     0 100% /media/cdrom0


so does this sound sensible:



  1.   backup /home and /data to another machine
  
  2.   boot from netinst CD
  
  3.   remove partitions hda2 hda5 hda7 hda6
  
  4.   recreate said partitions
  
  5.   complete install
  
  6.   run apt-get update/install




and then reinstall other progs (evo) and drivers (nVidia) as required?



Thanks, Michael


Can we help you?X

Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:51:47 +0100


From: Nyizsnyik Ferenc <nyizsa@bluebottle.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: installing XFCE - again

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On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 04:07:16 -0700


"muthuraman.s" <Mutthuramans@gmail.com> wrote:


> Hi all,
>      Commands like "apt-get *" have gone on strike in my computer and
> they are not going to work like how they have been so far. Synaptic
> will hang itself after "7 of 20 files" .Many posts regarding this
> topic are explained with only "apt".  System->Quit->session->start
> xclient will not work in my computer .
> 
>            Yes, I forgot the question. I want to get the whole .deb
> package for Ubuntu 7.04 from the net( not via apt) , sothat I can
> install it as one more .deb package . I am finding only the source
> code in XFCE.org.
>  The binary distribution for XFCE in debian group will say"GLib  is
> not found  and I am quitting this installation" .  I want to know
> whether I can download  XFCE as a .deb package from the net and can I
> install the same with "dpkg"?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 

Yes, you can download it as SOME .deb packages, not one. "Some" can
vary from a few to approx. 50, depending on your needs, and without
the dependencies.


But I think it won't solve your problem, since dpkg will run into the
same problem.


Anyway, the packages can be downloaded from http://packages.debian.org


-- 
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Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:35:34 +0900
From: Miles Bader <miles.bader@necel.com>
To: "Michael M. Moore" <michael@writemoore.net>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: going from XFCE to Gnome?
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"Michael M. Moore" <michael@writemoore.net> writes:

> Yep, that's the problem with the DE's.  You either accept the GNOME/KDE
> ways of doing things or you probably run into some incompatibilities
> somewhere down the line when you try to use other things.


I have no clue what you are talking about here... Gnome apps and KDE
apps (and XXX apps) all seem to work fine together.  What are you trying
to do that doesn't work because of "DE incompatibility"?

[FWIW, I don't recall ever having "accepted the GNOME/KDE way of doing
things" -- I use those Gnome or KDE or non-DE apps I like, ignore those
I don't like (e.g. anything related to mono -- what a crapfest!), and
have had no particular problems.  I dunno, maybe I'm just easy-going...]

-Miles

-- 
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Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:57:42 +0200
From: "Sinan Nalkaya" <erchamion.beren@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: bcm43xx problem
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thanks for reply. i'll try new kernel or go for Devicescape 802.11 Stack.

On 11/1/07, Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es> wrote:
>

> On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 00:55:07 +0200, Sinan Nalkaya wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > i have updated Etch installed, Dell inspiron 1501 laptop, which has
> broadcom
> > wireless chip on it. i followed the every instruction step by step on
> > http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ . since i have an supported chip (4311 rev1)
> > according to the list on bcm43xx homepage, i installed the
> > bcm43xx-fwcutter, run it and get the needed *.fw files under
> > /lib/firmware, but udev couldnt create device file for my
> > wireless ethernet. here is the commands i typed and results.
> >
> > sinan:/home/sinan# lspci -nn | grep 14e4
> > 05:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless
> 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card [14e4:4311] (rev 01)
> > 08:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0
> 100Base-TX [14e4:170c] (rev 02)
> > sinan:/home/sinan#modprobe bcm43xx
> > dmesg;
> > ieee80211_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL'
> > ieee80211: 802.11 data/management/control stack, git-1.1.13
> > ieee80211: Copyright (C) 2004-2005 Intel Corporation
> > bcm43xx driver

>

> I think you would see more "bcm43xx" lines if the driver worked
> properly.

>

> > lsmod;
> > bcm43xx 408640 0
> > firmware_class 10048 1 bcm43xx
> > ieee80211softmac 27456 1 bcm43xx
> > ieee80211 30664 2 bcm43xx,ieee80211softmac
> > ieee80211_crypt 6272 1 ieee80211
> >
> > udev-monitor;
> > sinan:/sys/class/net# udevmonitor
> > udevmonitor prints the received event from the kernel [UEVENT]
> > and the event which udev sends out after rule processing [UDEV]
> >
> > UEVENT[1193788238.883126] add@/module/ieee80211_crypt
> > UDEV [1193788238.884073] add@/module/ieee80211_crypt
> > UEVENT[1193788238.886112] add@/module/ieee80211
> > UDEV [1193788238.887048] add@/module/ieee80211
> > UEVENT[1193788238.888978] add@/module/ieee80211softmac
> > UDEV [1193788238.889910] add@/module/ieee80211softmac
> > UEVENT[1193788238.891280] add@/module/firmware_class
> > UEVENT[1193788238.894374] add@/module/bcm43xx
> > UEVENT[1193788238.906811] add@/bus/pci/drivers/bcm43xx
> > UDEV [1193788238.907735] add@/module/firmware_class
> > UDEV [1193788238.908371] add@/module/bcm43xx
> > UDEV [1193788238.908935] add@/bus/pci/drivers/bcm43xx
> >
> > kernel is 2.6.18-5-k7
> >
> > what can i try from here,i dont want to use ndiwrapper.

>

> A backported 2.6.22 kernel for Etch is available from www.backports.org.
> The git history of the kernel lists a "Fix for 4311" which was committed
> on 2007-02-14 (2.6.18 was released on 2006-09-19):

>
>

> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.23.y.git;a=commit;h=740ac4fb08866d702be90f167665d03759bd27d0

>

> Maybe you will have more success with the newer kernel.

>

> --
> Regards,            | http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
>           Florian   |

>
>

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thanks for reply. i&#39;ll try new kernel or go for Devicescape 802.11 Stack.<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/1/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Florian Kulzer</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es">
florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0; margin-right: 0; margin-bottom: 0; margin-left: 0; margin-left: 0.80ex; border-left-color: #cccccc; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex">
On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 00:55:07 +0200, Sinan Nalkaya wrote:<br>&gt; Hi,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; i have updated Etch installed, Dell inspiron 1501 laptop, which has broadcom<br>&gt; wireless chip on it. i followed the every instruction step by step on
<br>&gt; http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ . since i have an supported chip (4311 rev1)<br>&gt; according to the list on bcm43xx homepage, i installed the<br>&gt; bcm43xx-fwcutter, run it and get the needed *.fw files under
<br>&gt; /lib/firmware, but udev couldnt create device file for my<br>&gt; wireless ethernet. here is the commands i typed and results.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; sinan:/home/sinan# lspci -nn | grep 14e4<br>&gt; 05:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card [14e4:4311] (rev 01)
<br>&gt; 08:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX [14e4:170c] (rev 02)<br>&gt; sinan:/home/sinan#modprobe bcm43xx<br>&gt; dmesg;<br>&gt; ieee80211_crypt: registered algorithm &#39;NULL&#39;
<br>&gt; ieee80211: 802.11 data/management/control stack, git-1.1.13<br>&gt; ieee80211: Copyright (C) 2004-2005 Intel Corporation<br>&gt; bcm43xx driver<br><br>I think you would see more &quot;bcm43xx&quot; lines if the driver worked
<br>properly.<br><br>&gt; lsmod;<br>&gt; bcm43xx 408640 0<br>&gt; firmware_class 10048 1 bcm43xx<br>&gt; ieee80211softmac 27456 1 bcm43xx<br>&gt; ieee80211 30664 2 bcm43xx,ieee80211softmac<br>&gt; ieee80211_crypt 6272 1 ieee80211
<br>&gt;<br>&gt; udev-monitor;<br>&gt; sinan:/sys/class/net# udevmonitor<br>&gt; udevmonitor prints the received event from the kernel [UEVENT]<br>&gt; and the event which udev sends out after rule processing [UDEV]<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; UEVENT[1193788238.883126] add@/module/ieee80211_crypt<br>&gt; UDEV [1193788238.884073] add@/module/ieee80211_crypt<br>&gt; UEVENT[1193788238.886112] add@/module/ieee80211<br>&gt; UDEV [1193788238.887048] add@/module/ieee80211
<br>&gt; UEVENT[1193788238.888978] add@/module/ieee80211softmac<br>&gt; UDEV [1193788238.889910] add@/module/ieee80211softmac<br>&gt; UEVENT[1193788238.891280] add@/module/firmware_class<br>&gt; UEVENT[1193788238.894374] add@/module/bcm43xx
<br>&gt; UEVENT[1193788238.906811] add@/bus/pci/drivers/bcm43xx<br>&gt; UDEV [1193788238.907735] add@/module/firmware_class<br>&gt; UDEV [1193788238.908371] add@/module/bcm43xx<br>&gt; UDEV [1193788238.908935] add@/bus/pci/drivers/bcm43xx
<br>&gt;<br>&gt; kernel is 2.6.18-5-k7<br>&gt;<br>&gt; what can i try from here,i dont want to use ndiwrapper.<br><br>A backported 2.6.22 kernel for Etch is available from <a href="http://www.backports.org">www.backports.org
</a>.<br>The git history of the kernel lists a &quot;Fix for 4311&quot; which was committed<br>on 2007-02-14 (2.6.18 was released on 2006-09-19):<br><br><a href="http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.23.y.git;a=commit;h=740ac4fb08866d702be90f167665d03759bd27d0">
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-2.6.23.y.git;a=commit;h=740ac4fb08866d702be90f167665d03759bd27d0</a><br><br>Maybe you will have more success with the newer kernel.<br><br>--<br>Regards,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;| 
<a href="http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer">http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer</a><br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Florian&nbsp;&nbsp; |<br><br><br>--<br>To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to <a href="mailto:debian-user-REQUEST(at)lists.debian.org">debian-user-REQUEST(at)lists.debian.org
</a><br>with a subject of &quot;unsubscribe&quot;. Trouble? Contact <a href="mailto:listmaster@lists.debian.org">listmaster@lists.debian.org</a><br><br></blockquote></div><br>

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Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 07:16:10 -0500
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: how to reinstall?
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On 11/02/07 06:31, michael wrote:

> I have a system I've hosed and I wish to reinstall the 'etch' o/s. The
> current set up is
> 
> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> /dev/hda2             274M  126M  134M  49% /
> tmpfs                1007M     0 1007M   0% /lib/init/rw
> udev                   10M   84K   10M   1% /dev
> tmpfs                1007M     0 1007M   0% /dev/shm
> /dev/hda5             1.9G   48M  1.7G   3% /boot
> /dev/hda10            2.8G  1.8G  1.1G  62% /data
> /dev/hda11             11G  1.1G  9.0G  11% /home
> /dev/hda9             449M   25K  425M   1% /tmp
> /dev/hda7             4.6G  1.8G  2.7G  40% /usr
> /dev/hda6             5.5G  927M  4.4G  18% /var
> /dev/hdc              551M  551M     0 100% /media/cdrom0
> 
> so does this sound sensible:
> 
> 1) backup /home and /data to another machine
> 2) boot from netinst CD
> 3) remove partitions hda2 hda5 hda7 hda6


The install process will initialize these if you want.


> 4) recreate said partitions


No need to recreate them.  Just let the installer reformat them.


> 5) complete install
> 6) run apt-get update/install
> 
> and then reinstall other progs (evo) and drivers (nVidia) as required?


-- 
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!



Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 07:17:31 -0500
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: installing XFCE - again
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On 11/02/07 06:07, muthuraman.s wrote:

> Hi all,
>      Commands like "apt-get *" have gone on strike in my computer and
> they are not going to work like how they have been so far. Synaptic
> will hang itself after "7 of 20 files" .Many posts regarding this
> topic are explained with only "apt".  System->Quit->session->start
> xclient will not work in my computer .
> 
>            Yes, I forgot the question. I want to get the whole .deb
> package for Ubuntu 7.04 from the net( not via apt) , sothat I can
> install it as one more .deb package . I am finding only the source
> code in XFCE.org.


Mixing Debian & Ubuntu is a guaranteed disaster.


>  The binary distribution for XFCE in debian group will say"GLib  is
> not found  and I am quitting this installation" .  I want to know
> whether I can download  XFCE as a .deb package from the net and can I
> install the same with "dpkg"?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 



-- 
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!


Can't find what you're looking for?X

Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:47:24 +0700
From: "Ali Milis" <almilis@gmail.com>
To: "Debian User List" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Cobol compiler
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Ron Johnson wrote:

>> And how good is Open Cobol?

> Question which I can not answer...


How about tiny Cobol?

>> FYI: We still have a lot of Cobol applications that used
>> to run on AOS/VS (Data General). Those applications
>> were migrated Sun Solaris.

> Spend an hour compiling a few simple programs?


Well... our Sparc enterprise server is not that bad...
compared to the Data General MV/20000 (AOS/VS).
But thank you for asking :).

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Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 07:06:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rehceb Rotkiv <scame@fastmail.fm>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: libgtkhtml: need help with compilation error
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Hi all!

I'm trying to compile GtkHTML 3.16.1 (which I need for compiling the newest
Evolution). The configure script runs through without errors. make, however,
terminates with these errors:

...
testgtkhtml.o: In function `print_preview_cb':
/home/vibe/evo-sources/gtkhtml-3.16.1/src/testgtkhtml.c:354: undefined
reference to `gtk_print_operation_new'
/home/vibe/evo-sources/gtkhtml-3.16.1/src/testgtkhtml.c:355: undefined
reference to `gtk_print_operation_set_n_pages'
/home/vibe/evo-sources/gtkhtml-3.16.1/src/testgtkhtml.c:361: undefined
reference to `gtk_print_operation_run'
testgtkhtml.o: In function `draw_page_cb':
/home/vibe/evo-sources/gtkhtml-3.16.1/src/testgtkhtml.c:324: undefined
reference to `gtk_print_context_create_pango_layout'
testgtkhtml.o: In function `print_footer':
/home/vibe/evo-sources/gtkhtml-3.16.1/src/testgtkhtml.c:300: undefined
reference to `gtk_print_context_get_cairo_context'
./.libs/libgtkhtml-3.14.so: undefined reference to
`gtk_page_setup_get_page_width'
./.libs/libgtkhtml-3.14.so: undefined reference to `pango_units_to_double'
./.libs/libgtkhtml-3.14.so: undefined reference to
`gtk_print_context_get_page_setup'
./.libs/libgtkhtml-3.14.so: undefined reference to
`gtk_page_setup_get_page_height'
./.libs/libgtkhtml-3.14.so: undefined reference to
`gtk_print_context_create_pango_context'
./.libs/libgtkhtml-3.14.so: undefined reference to
`gtk_print_context_get_height'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
...

I have the necessary libraries installed  (from Debian's *-dev packages) --
at least I think so! Do you have an idea what might be wrong?

Thanks,
Rehceb

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Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:02:01 -0400
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Apt-Get or Aptitude
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On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 11:09:07AM -0800, Ken Irving wrote:
 

> That sounds good, but is it different now than it used to be?  I haven't
> tried it lately, but it used to "seem" to want to remove lots of things.
> I'm aware of the workarounds (keep-all or whatever), have followed most
> of the threads (even instigated some...), but am still a command-line
> apt-get user waiting for a reason to change.  Two problems I have with
> aptitude are the lack of "source" functionality and my inability to spell
> it as easily as apt-get. ;-)
> 


Add an alias so that aptitude="apty" or "capt" (curses apt), or even
"aptgod".  

The best reason, to me, to change, is the CUI.  I have it _not_ include
recommends by default but after the first 'g', it shows a list of
recommends and suggests for each package.  Its also nice to see what it
wants to do when you're doing something tricky.  It also means no more
cruft buildup.  The first thing I do after a minimal install (not tasks
selected) is run aptitude and get things marked 'A' unless I know I want
it.

Doug.



Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:09:42 -0400
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: how do i go back to stable? [was: reverting to 'standard' etch installation]
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On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 08:53:52PM +0000, michael wrote:
 

> I can give that a try but anybody else have any suggestions? (I've  
> removed some packages I'd installed under sid so now it's probably  
> not as clean/obvious as above suggests)...


Yes, but beware changes to /etc that may not be backward compatible.


> 
> I guess I could remove lots of things and then set sources.list to  
> etch and then install what i need but that sounds like leaving stuff  
> to chance....
> 
> Is there anything I can do which will effectively reinstall the  
> netinst CD version of etch (removing anything else o/s-wise present)?


Its probably far simpler to just reinstall.

Doug.



Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:02:47 -0400
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Apt-Get or Aptitude
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On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 08:33:00PM -0000, BartlebyScrivener wrote:
 

> So exercising an abundance of caution I usually stick with synaptic.
> Maybe on my next install I'll look into Aptitude.


What do you do when X dies or needs changing?

Doug.



Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 07:12:43 -0700
From: Daniel Burrows <dburrows@debian.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Installing Packages From Source]
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On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 05:19:49PM -0700, Jeff Grossman <jeff@stikman.com> was heard to say:
>> Manually installed packages have status "i  " while automatically
>> installed ones have "i A".
>

> They have a "c" next to them.


  So what you did is you removed the Debian package and then ran "make
install", right?

  In that case the package tools are completely unaware that you've done
anything.  As long as you installed into /usr/local/, that's fine.  If
you installed any files outside /usr/local, /opt and /home, you should
uninstall the software and reinstall it into one of those directories;
otherwise you risk having the package system stomp on what you've done.

  And to answer your original question: you don't need to tell aptitude
anything.  As far as it's concerned, those packages aren't installed at
all.

  Daniel



Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 07:25:58 -0700
From: Daniel Burrows <dburrows@debian.org>
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Subject: Re: Apt-Get or Aptitude
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On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 11:09:07AM -0800, Ken Irving <fnkci@uaf.edu> was heard to say:

> > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 08:19:58PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> >   No, I just come down hard on this meme because it seems to have taken
> > on a life of its own and I'd like to squash it before it grows up into a
> > full-blown urban legend.
> 
> That sounds good, but is it different now than it used to be?  I haven't
> tried it lately, but it used to "seem" to want to remove lots of things.
> I'm aware of the workarounds (keep-all or whatever), have followed most
> of the threads (even instigated some...), but am still a command-line
> apt-get user waiting for a reason to change.  Two problems I have with
> aptitude are the lack of "source" functionality and my inability to spell
> it as easily as apt-get. ;-)


  There were bugs in some past versions.  As far as I know, the worst
ones (e.g., #411123) were fixed in etch.  There were some new bugs
introduced in unstable with the switchover to using apt to track unused
packages (where aptitude would even want to remove packages it had just
installed), but those should be fixed in 0.4.7.

  There are a few corner cases in which aptitude will do the wrong
thing.

  * Marking a package for removal in aptitude, exiting, removing it with
    apt-get, installing it again with apt-get, then running aptitude.
    aptitude will still remember that you want to remove the package.

  * If you interrupt aptitude before it writes its state database, it
    will sometimes get confused about the system state, especially if
    you proceed to run apt-get before aptitude. (I can't remember the
    precise sequence of events that have to happen to trigger this off
    the top of my head)

  Those are the only ways I can think of offhand to get aptitude to
remove packages you didn't ask it to.  Unfortunately, there's no
reliable way to tell if someone else has fiddled with a package
(#429438), so as long as aptitude tries to save and restore the current
state, there will be a few edge cases like this.

  Anything I didn't list above is a bug that I don't know about.

  Daniel



Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 09:31:22 -0500
From: "Kathryn Flynn" <anothermjqk@editor.com>
To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Hay is more acceptable to an ass than gold.
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Hello, young lovers! :)
Where love and wisdom drink out of the same cup, in this everyday world, it is the exception.
Because language is the carrier of ideas, it is easy to believe that it should be very little else than such a carrier.
God has given us two hands, one to receive with and the other to give with.

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