Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 10:57:19 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: GLIBC_2.4
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On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 11:34:01AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> I wrote:
> > See my other reponse to this thread. ~/bin at the front of $PATH is a
> > security risk.
>=20
> Miles writes:
> > It an attacker is able to install stuff in ~/bin, they can (and almost
> > certainly would) also modify your .profile (etc) to change PATH
> > themselves.
>=20
> There are a number of such exposures for the naive users that are now
> starting to put Linux on their computers. They will be exploited when the
> number of vulnerable machines gets large enough.
I think we need some explaining here John. How is the existence of
~/bin at the front of $PATH a problem in itself? In order for it to be
a problem, an attacker has to have write access to $HOME
already. If they have write access to $HOME, there is nothing to stop
them from putting ~/bin at the front of $PATH, so it existence (or
not) in $PATH to begin with is irrelevant. Or maybe I'm
misunderstanding something here.=20
Likewise, if an attacker has write access to $HOME, why not just put
an alias command=3D/path/to/corrupted/command in .bashrc or
whatever. This also renders the ~/bin thing irrelevant.=20
In other words, this is sort of similar to an argument on the order
of: leaving a spare key in the glovebox of the car is a security
risk. That's true, but only in a situation where someone has already
gained access to the vehicle and looked in the glove box to see that
there is a key, thereby saving them the effort of hotwiring the
thing. The damage is already done: someone is already in the vehicle
($HOME) doing bad stuff. The existence of a key (~/bin in $PATH) is
merely a convenience for them in an already insecure situation.=20
=2E02 from a naive user wanting more information.
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Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:10:23 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: how to reinstall?
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On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 06:01:51PM +0000, michael wrote:
>
>
> sorry to be thick but when I run the netinst CD it knows about the curren=
t=20
> partitions so if I just hit 'finish partitioning and write changes to=20
> disk' is that sufficient/right? surely it will either wipe all data off=
=20
> disk (not what I want) or change nothing (perhaps not what I want dependi=
ng=20
> if the remainder of the installation will effectively wipe current OS and=
=20
> additional packages and replace with ONLY the raw netInst CD o/s)
you can go into the partitioner and edit what it does with each
partition: keep as is, ignore, reformat, whatever.
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Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:01:51 +0000
From: michael <cs@networkingnewsletter.org.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: how to reinstall?
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On 2 Nov 2007, at 12:16, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 11/02/07 06:31, michael wrote:
>> I have a system I've hosed and I wish to reinstall the 'etch' o/s.
>> The
>> current set up is
>>
>> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
>> /dev/hda2 274M 126M 134M 49% /
>> tmpfs 1007M 0 1007M 0% /lib/init/rw
>> udev 10M 84K 10M 1% /dev
>> tmpfs 1007M 0 1007M 0% /dev/shm
>> /dev/hda5 1.9G 48M 1.7G 3% /boot
>> /dev/hda10 2.8G 1.8G 1.1G 62% /data
>> /dev/hda11 11G 1.1G 9.0G 11% /home
>> /dev/hda9 449M 25K 425M 1% /tmp
>> /dev/hda7 4.6G 1.8G 2.7G 40% /usr
>> /dev/hda6 5.5G 927M 4.4G 18% /var
>> /dev/hdc 551M 551M 0 100% /media/cdrom0
>>
>> so does this sound sensible:
>>
>> 1) backup /home and /data to another machine
>> 2) boot from netinst CD
>> 3) remove partitions hda2 hda5 hda7 hda6
>
> The install process will initialize these if you want.
>
>> 4) recreate said partitions
>
> No need to recreate them. Just let the installer reformat them.
>
sorry to be thick but when I run the netinst CD it knows about the
current partitions so if I just hit 'finish partitioning and write
changes to disk' is that sufficient/right? surely it will either wipe
all data off disk (not what I want) or change nothing (perhaps not
what I want depending if the remainder of the installation will
effectively wipe current OS and additional packages and replace with
ONLY the raw netInst CD o/s)
M
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:05:40 -0400
From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: dictd local server secure?
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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:43:57 -0700
BartlebyScrivener <bscrivener42@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been on Etch for about a year. Still learning ins and outs. I
> installed the dictd server for local use only (I hope). I'm behind NAT
> router etc, but when I do nmap on local network, it says:
>
> Not shown: 1677 closed ports
> PORT STATE SERVICE
> 111/tcp open rpcbind
> 113/tcp open auth
> 2628/tcp open dict
>
> I installed the dict server only for my local machine, so wondering
> why it shows open? If anybody has experience in this please advise or
> point to more reading.
The access specification in /etc/dictd/dictd.conf just causes dictd to
return a "530 access denied" message to unauthorized hosts, as can be
seen with "telnet xxxxxxxxx 2628"; it doesn't cause the connection to be
refused on the TCP level.
> Thank you,
>
> rd
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Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:29:29 -0400
From: Kevin Mark <kevin.mark@verizon.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: how to reinstall?
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On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 11:31:48AM +0000, michael wrote:
> I have a system I've hosed and I wish to reinstall the 'etch' o/s. The
> current set up is
>
> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> /dev/hda2 274M 126M 134M 49% /
> tmpfs 1007M 0 1007M 0% /lib/init/rw
> udev 10M 84K 10M 1% /dev
> tmpfs 1007M 0 1007M 0% /dev/shm
> /dev/hda5 1.9G 48M 1.7G 3% /boot
> /dev/hda10 2.8G 1.8G 1.1G 62% /data
> /dev/hda11 11G 1.1G 9.0G 11% /home
> /dev/hda9 449M 25K 425M 1% /tmp
> /dev/hda7 4.6G 1.8G 2.7G 40% /usr
> /dev/hda6 5.5G 927M 4.4G 18% /var
> /dev/hdc 551M 551M 0 100% /media/cdrom0
>
> so does this sound sensible:
>
> 1) backup /home and /data to another machine
- note any configuration that affect /etc (or backup /etc for later
reference) like email setup, network setup, ...
- do 'dpkg --get-selections > mypackages' for later use
- maybe backup /etc/apt/sources.list
> 2) boot from netinst CD
- do custom partitioning
- just reformat /var,/usr,/tmp,/boot,/
- save /home, /data
> 5) complete install
- do 'dpkg --set-selections < mypackages' for setting packages
- do 'aptitude dselect-upgrade' to install all packages
> 6) run apt-get update/install
some of this is covered in the debian-reference
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Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:19:58 -0400
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: risks of using net apps as a user in wheel or adm?
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This is a more general question to an issue that came up in another
thread.
Not to single out Iceweasel but, for example, IIUC, javascript and
flashplayer end up running someone else's code on your computer as you.
What are the security implications of this? What could a malicious
flash or piece of javascript really do you files in your home directory?
What are the security implications of this if you are also a member of
group wheel, adm, or staff?
As for my home directory, of course it has security-sensitve info:
health info, passwords, and other private documents.
Should I have a separate user setup for just running a javascript- and
flash-enabled web browser?
I know that any software can have bugs, but I think that software that
has to keep up with features to be useable (e.g. a browser) is more
likely to be at risk of unknown exploits than more feature-stable
net-apps such as mutt, exim, ftp, or rsync.
Doug.
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:10:25 -0400
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: resolv.conf question
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On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 08:48:06AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 05:20:56PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> > I'm running Etch. My resolv.conf starts with the line:
> >
> > # generated by NetworkManager, do not edit!
> >
> > and contains entries that I want to have new different
> > values. I want to change the values in a way that last
> > through a reboot, and I'd like to do it by editting
> > a file using vim. What is the file that is the
> > authoritative source of nameserver addresses?
>
> I found this:
> http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerConfigurationSpecification
>
> but couldn't tell from a quick read where those configs were supposed
> to go. Most of the way down the page it referes to DNS settings.
>
> I don't use NM, so I leave implementing it up to you ;)
Or, the OP could get rid of NM and perhaps install the resolvconf
package (that takes resolvconf hints from /etc/network/interfaces and
ppp).
Doug.
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:51:18 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: how to reinstall?
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On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 06:42:44PM +0000, michael wrote:
>
> On 2 Nov 2007, at 18:10, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 06:01:51PM +0000, michael wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> sorry to be thick but when I run the netinst CD it knows about the=20
>>> current
>>> partitions so if I just hit 'finish partitioning and write changes to
>>> disk' is that sufficient/right? surely it will either wipe all data off
>>> disk (not what I want) or change nothing (perhaps not what I want=20
>>> depending
>>> if the remainder of the installation will effectively wipe current OS a=
nd
>>> additional packages and replace with ONLY the raw netInst CD o/s)
>>
>> you can go into the partitioner and edit what it does with each
>> partition: keep as is, ignore, reformat, whatever.
>
> ah, so the default is to leave data? so I just select 'erase data' for=20
> those I want the data erasing?
> ;)
not sure on what the default is as I almost never install :)=20
but yes, essentially, you can select what happens to each partition.
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Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:53:44 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: risks of using net apps as a user in wheel or adm?
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On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 02:41:11PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:19:58 -0400
> "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> wrote:
>=20
> > This is a more general question to an issue that came up in another
> > thread.
> >=20
> > Not to single out Iceweasel but, for example, IIUC, javascript and
> > flashplayer end up running someone else's code on your computer as you.=
=20
> >=20
> > What are the security implications of this? What could a malicious
> > flash or piece of javascript really do you files in your home directory?
> >=20
> > What are the security implications of this if you are also a member of
> > group wheel, adm, or staff?
>=20
> I would add that many users, especially on single user machines,
> probably have something like:
>=20
> username ALL =3D NOPASSWD: ALL
>=20
> in /etc/sudoers
well, that's a problem. I don't do that on any machine, just because I
want to be forced to enter a sudo password so that I think that extra
thought before doing whatever it is I'm about to do.=20
Now for specific commands? sure like NOPASSWD:/sbin/shutdown on my
laptop, because that's just convenient and if someone wants to hack my
lappy and shut it down, well, more power to them...
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Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:41:11 -0400
From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: risks of using net apps as a user in wheel or adm?
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On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:19:58 -0400
"Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> wrote:
> This is a more general question to an issue that came up in another
> thread.
>
> Not to single out Iceweasel but, for example, IIUC, javascript and
> flashplayer end up running someone else's code on your computer as you.
>
> What are the security implications of this? What could a malicious
> flash or piece of javascript really do you files in your home directory?
>
> What are the security implications of this if you are also a member of
> group wheel, adm, or staff?
I would add that many users, especially on single user machines,
probably have something like:
username ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL
in /etc/sudoers
> Doug.
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Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:57:20 -0700
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: GMT vs UTC
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On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 04:49:10PM -0300, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> Hi!
>=20
> I am running etch. How can I know if the clock is set to GMT or UTC. And
> how can I switch from one to another?
umm... aren't they the same thing? at least practically speaking?=20
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Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:42:44 +0000
From: michael <cs@networkingnewsletter.org.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: how to reinstall?
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On 2 Nov 2007, at 18:10, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 06:01:51PM +0000, michael wrote:
>>
>>
>> sorry to be thick but when I run the netinst CD it knows about the
>> current
>> partitions so if I just hit 'finish partitioning and write
>> changes to
>> disk' is that sufficient/right? surely it will either wipe all
>> data off
>> disk (not what I want) or change nothing (perhaps not what I want
>> depending
>> if the remainder of the installation will effectively wipe current
>> OS and
>> additional packages and replace with ONLY the raw netInst CD o/s)
>
> you can go into the partitioner and edit what it does with each
> partition: keep as is, ignore, reformat, whatever.
ah, so the default is to leave data? so I just select 'erase data'
for those I want the data erasing?
;)
thanks, M
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 11:42:04 -0700
From: Raquel <raquel@thericehouse.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: resolv.conf question
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On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:10:25 -0400
"Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 08:48:06AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 05:20:56PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> > > I'm running Etch. My resolv.conf starts with the line:
> > >
> > > # generated by NetworkManager, do not edit!
> > >
> > > and contains entries that I want to have new different
> > > values. I want to change the values in a way that last
> > > through a reboot, and I'd like to do it by editting
> > > a file using vim. What is the file that is the
> > > authoritative source of nameserver addresses?
> >
> > I found this:
> > http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManagerConfigurationSpecification
> >
> > but couldn't tell from a quick read where those configs were
> > supposed to go. Most of the way down the page it referes to DNS
> > settings.
> >
> > I don't use NM, so I leave implementing it up to you ;)
>
> Or, the OP could get rid of NM and perhaps install the resolvconf
> package (that takes resolvconf hints from /etc/network/interfaces
> and ppp).
>
> Doug.
>
Perhaps I didn't understand everything, but I decided I didn't need
resolvconf. I chose, instead, to use resolv.conf and to configure
everything myself.
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of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power
than by violent and sudden usurpations.
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Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:49:10 -0300
From: Marcelo Chiapparini <chiappa@oi.com.br>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: GMT vs UTC
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Hi!
I am running etch. How can I know if the clock is set to GMT or UTC. And
how can I switch from one to another?
Thanks in advance
Marcelo
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Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 18:49:10 +0000
From: michael <cs@networkingnewsletter.org.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: how to reinstall?
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On 2 Nov 2007, at 18:29, Kevin Mark wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 11:31:48AM +0000, michael wrote:
>> I have a system I've hosed and I wish to reinstall the 'etch' o/s.
>> The
>> current set up is
>>
>> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
>> /dev/hda2 274M 126M 134M 49% /
>> tmpfs 1007M 0 1007M 0% /lib/init/rw
>> udev 10M 84K 10M 1% /dev
>> tmpfs 1007M 0 1007M 0% /dev/shm
>> /dev/hda5 1.9G 48M 1.7G 3% /boot
>> /dev/hda10 2.8G 1.8G 1.1G 62% /data
>> /dev/hda11 11G 1.1G 9.0G 11% /home
>> /dev/hda9 449M 25K 425M 1% /tmp
>> /dev/hda7 4.6G 1.8G 2.7G 40% /usr
>> /dev/hda6 5.5G 927M 4.4G 18% /var
>> /dev/hdc 551M 551M 0 100% /media/cdrom0
>>
>> so does this sound sensible:
>>
>> 1) backup /home and /data to another machine
> - note any configuration that affect /etc (or backup /etc for later
> reference) like email setup, network setup, ...
> - do 'dpkg --get-selections > mypackages' for later use
> - maybe backup /etc/apt/sources.list
>> 2) boot from netinst CD
> - do custom partitioning
> - just reformat /var,/usr,/tmp,/boot,/
> - save /home, /data
>> 5) complete install
> - do 'dpkg --set-selections < mypackages' for setting packages
> - do 'aptitude dselect-upgrade' to install all packages
>> 6) run apt-get update/install
>
> some of this is covered in the debian-reference
I've looked in http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/
index.en.html for help on customised partitioning but can't find
anything relevant - which section were you meaning? Thanks, Michael
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Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:57:01 -0400
From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: chiappa@oi.com.br
Subject: Re: GMT vs UTC
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On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:49:10 -0300
Marcelo Chiapparini <chiappa@oi.com.br> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I am running etch. How can I know if the clock is set to GMT or UTC. And
Try 'grep UTC /etc/default/rcS'
> how can I switch from one to another?
Read the UTC section of 'man rcS'.
> Thanks in advance
>
> Marcelo
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Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:58:30 +0100
From: Elimar Riesebieter <riesebie@lxtec.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: GMT vs UTC
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On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 the mental interface of
Marcelo Chiapparini told:
> Hi!
>
> I am running etch. How can I know if the clock is set to GMT or UTC.
$ date
> And
> how can I switch from one to another?
$ date -u
$ man 1 date
Elimar
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