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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2739

Today's Topics:

  Re: Mishap upgrading from Woody to E  [ Matus UHLAR - fantomas  ]
  Re: fglrx upgrade to 8.42.3           [ Davide Mancusi  ]
  Re: Intel Deluxe PC Camera            [ Marc Shapiro  ]
  Re: Re: Using backports after upgrad  [ "John Fleming"  ]
  Re: Search for BTN based software     [ Kevin Mark  ]
  Re: Which browser is better, firefox  [ "Manon Metten"  ]
  Re: Search for BTN based software     [ Kevin Mark  ]
  Re: risks of using net apps as a use  [ Joe  ]
  Re: Contacts printing                 [ Rodolfo Medina  ]

Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 16:23:15 +0100
From: Matus UHLAR - fantomas <uhlar@fantomas.sk> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Mishap upgrading from Woody to Etch

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On 09.09.07 19:34, Chris Austin wrote:
> I have had a Debian system working very well since 2003, when I installed it
> from the Stable system, which was Woody at the time. Recently I wanted to
> install the gap package, (Groups, Algorithms and Programming computer
> algebra system), and for this I had to start upgrading packages to the
> current Stable system, which is Etch. However I hit a circular dependency
> problem trying to upgrade libc6, so started upgrading packages with the
> Check Dependencies checkbox deselected, in the KPackage windows that were
> started by Konqueror, when I downloaded packages from the Debian website.
> At some stage e2fsprogs and e2fslibs were upgraded in this way, but I always
> hit an error trying to upgrade libc6, even after I exited KDE and tried to
> stop kdm with the kill signal in top. I then found that kdm no longer
> restarted KDE, so to access the Internet I had to dual boot to MS Windows.
> Trying to reboot in Linux now starts a file system that is Read Only, with
> lots of warnings and errors. It seems from some of the error messages that
> I now need to install the libuuid1 package, but I cannot do this because the
> file system is started Read Only. I can get a writable file system by
> booting from the old Woody rescue.bin floppy, but file locations then need
> to be prepended by /target, and dpkg gives an error message: relocation
> error, symbol _obstack_begin, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file
> libc.so.6 with link time reference.

That's why yyou should never upgrade across two versions. You still can upgrade to sarge and then to etch.

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Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 08:03:19 -0800 From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Intel Deluxe PC Camera Message-ID: <20071104160319.GW12370@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oXXuwmZolLKlWh2N" Content-Disposition: inline --oXXuwmZolLKlWh2N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 08:27:53AM +0100, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> On Sunday 04 November 2007 07:35, John Schmidt wrote:
> > On Sunday 04 November 2007, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> > > It looks like the driver module that I need is spca501. There is a
> > > source package for Etch:
> > >
> > > spca5xx-source
> > >
> >
> > Do this:
> >
> > sudo m-a
> >
> > It will put up a dialogue box, and then you need to first prepare the b=
uild
> > by downloading the kernel headers. Then choose select and check the
> > spca5xx-source, and it should download it for you. Then build it and
> > install it. These are all menu selectable items in module assitant.
> >
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> Unless I am mistaking, I read somewhere that spca5xx was for kernel up to=
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> 2.6.11, for later kernel you need gspca-sources.
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Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 07:48:36 -0800 From: Jeff Grossman <jeff@stikman.com> To: Debian Users <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Testing with some Unstable Message-ID: <472DE9D4.9040303@stikman.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am currently running a Debian testing system. I want to live on the cutting edge with a couple of packages, particularly Sendmail right now. When I run "aptitude install -t unstable sendmail libmilter1" I get the following output: The following packages have been automatically kept back: fontconfig-config gnustep-back-common gnustep-base-common gnustep-base-runtime gnustep-common gnustep-gpbs gnustep-gui-common gnustep-gui-runtime libcurl3 libfontconfig1 libgsasl7 libltdl3 libltdl3-dev libobjc1 libruby1.8 libversion-perl linux-image-2.6-686 linux-image-2.6-k7 php5-mcrypt python-support ruby1.8 ttf-dejavu The following packages have been kept back: acpid apache2 apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils apache2.2-common apt apt-listbugs apt-utils aptitude binutils bsdmainutils bsdutils coreutils cpp-4.1 curl debconf debconf-i18n debconf-utils debianutils eject g++-4.1 gcc-4.1 gcc-4.1-base grub initramfs-tools installation-report iputils-ping klibc-utils laptop-detect libapache2-mod-php5 libc6 libc6-amd64 libc6-dev libc6-dev-amd64 libc6-i686 libcupsys2 libdb4.6 libglib2.0-0 libklibc libmudflap0-dev libopencdk10 libpcre3 libpcre3-dev libpcrecpp0 libpq5 libsasl2-2 libsasl2-modules libslang2 libssl-dev libssl0.9.8 libstdc++6-4.1-dev libtool linux-image-k7 linux-libc-dev locales login mercurial mount mutt openssl passwd php-pear php5 php5-cgi php5-cli php5-common php5-gd php5-mysql phpmyadmin razor sasl2-bin sendmail-base sendmail-bin sendmail-cf sensible-mda terminal.app usbutils util-linux x11-common zlib1g zlib1g-dev The following packages will be upgraded: libmilter1 sendmail 2 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 103 not upgraded. Need to get 433kB of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. I am assuming all of those packages have been updated in testing, but I have not asked to install them. Would I be shooting off my foot with just upgrading Sendmail and Libmilter from unstable but leaving everything else from testing? Thanks, Jeff

Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:04:01 +0100 From: Davide Mancusi <arekfu@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: fglrx upgrade to 8.42.3 Message-ID: <472DED71.3090306@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Davide Mancusi ha scritto:
> [...] building the package does not work. It fails like this
> (long log follows): [snipped]
For the benefit of those who are trying to walk the same path: I have managed to create the packages by following the instructions on the ATI wiki [1]. The drivers from the ATI website work marginally better than those in Debian/non-free (fgl_glxgears starts) but some 3D applications are still broken (e.g. nexuiz), as if some extensions were broken in the upgrade. It looks like I have to wait a little bit longer to see compiz run on my machine... Davide [1] http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide#Build_the_Debian_packages -- A tautology is a thing which is tautological. -- Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:34:20 -0800 From: Marc Shapiro <mshapiro_42@yahoo.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Intel Deluxe PC Camera Message-ID: <472DF48C.6000404@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 08:27:53AM +0100, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
>
>> On Sunday 04 November 2007 07:35, John Schmidt wrote: >> >>> On Sunday 04 November 2007, Marc Shapiro wrote: >>> >>>> It looks like the driver module that I need is spca501. There is a >>>> source package for Etch: >>>> >>>> spca5xx-source >>>> >>>> >>> Do this: >>> >>> sudo m-a >>> >>> It will put up a dialogue box, and then you need to first prepare the build >>> by downloading the kernel headers. Then choose select and check the >>> spca5xx-source, and it should download it for you. Then build it and >>> install it. These are all menu selectable items in module assitant. >>> >>> >> Unless I am mistaking, I read somewhere that spca5xx was for kernel up to >> 2.6.11, for later kernel you need gspca-sources. >> >
> You are correct.
>
So, do I follow the instructions that John gave above and substitute gspca-source for spca5xx-source? -- Marc Shapiro mshapiro_42@yahoo.com

Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:02:05 +0100 From: Jonathan Kaye <jdkaye10@yahoo.es> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: fglrx upgrade to 8.42.3 Message-ID: <fgktug$u00$1@ger.gmane.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Davide Mancusi wrote:
> Davide Mancusi ha scritto:
>> [...] building the package does not work. It fails like this >> (long log follows): [snipped]
>
> For the benefit of those who are trying to walk the same path: I have
> managed to create the packages by following the instructions on the ATI
> wiki [1]. The drivers from the ATI website work marginally better than
> those in Debian/non-free (fgl_glxgears starts) but some 3D applications
> are still broken (e.g. nexuiz), as if some extensions were broken in the
> upgrade.
>
> It looks like I have to wait a little bit longer to see compiz run on
> my machine...
>
> Davide
>
> [1]
> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide#Build_the_Debian_packages
>
Hi Davide, Following your message I checked out nexuiz and it runs fine with my card and driver. I'm surprised that running the ATI-Installer gave you error messages. I see 2 differences between our systems: 1. You are using a 64bit kernel and I'm using a 32bit one (although I have an AMD64 Athlalon Chip. 2. I'm running lenny and you're running sid. I think the 32 and 64bit versions use the same installation file, yes? So if it's not related to one of those 2 differences I'm stumped. I don't understand why just running the installation program with the --buildpkg switch causes error in your system and not in mine. Sorry, Jonathan -- Registerd Linux user #445917 at http://counter.li.org/

Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 13:39:06 -0500 From: "John Fleming" <john@wa9als.com> To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Re: Using backports after upgrade Message-ID: <000201c81f11$fc7832e0$0201a8c0@wa9als> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that you may find that the SA upgrades have migrated to debian-volatile. Its a new official service for upgrades that are not security-minded (as is security.debian.org) but that info changes (such as virus and spam scanners). If so, its just one more line in your sources.list. Doug. ---------------------------------------------------------- Sorry that I'm late answering and messing up the threads. I had to go out of town and got a little happy with the delete key... Got the above from the archives. My sources list is below - Both volatile and back ports are in there, and both clamav (volatile) and SA (backports) used to update before I upgraded sarge to etch. Thanks any other help...? - John #The url below is for clamav updates deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile etch/volatile main #The url below is for spamassassin from backports.org deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main

Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 13:37:56 -0500 From: Kevin Mark <kevin.mark@verizon.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Search for BTN based software Message-ID: <20071104183756.GA15205@horacrux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 03:51:48PM +0200, Jabka Atu wrote:
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> Hello,...
>
>  After a lecture about BTN (Balanced Ternary Notation) i
> tried to find (free) software that is created using this kind of point
> of view.
>
> - From we was told that this kind of programing is used in DNA software
> but i didn't found any documentation in apt source for btn based software.
>
> Could you please guide me for a free software that is created by this
> idea ?
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_ternary Is this what you mean? Google didn't find any software win/lin/mac for me. -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal |mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/| | `. `' Operating System | go to counter.li.org and | | `- http://www.debian.org/ | be counted! #238656 | | my keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | |join the new debian-community.org to help Debian! | |_______ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed _______|

Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:03:37 +0100 From: "Manon Metten" <manon.metten@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Which browser is better, firefox? Message-ID: <5da176070711041103p680be497l86f53a8330429671@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13132_13618823.1194203017846" ------=_Part_13132_13618823.1194203017846 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 11/4/07, BartlebyScrivener <bscrivener42@gmail.com> wrote:
> This means, Iceweasel *is* Firefox just with another name.
> >
>
> Yes, usually. But it also wreaks havoc with certain sites because the
> user agent says "ice weasel" which most sites don't recognize. If you
> stay with ice weasel, I recommend the firefox user agent switcher
> plugin if you have any problems with scripts not running etc.
Or in about:config set "general.useragent.extra.firefox" to "Firefox/2.0.0.8". Manon. ------=_Part_13132_13618823.1194203017846 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 11/4/07, BartlebyScrivener <<a href="mailto:bscrivener42@gmail.com">bscrivener42@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> > This means, Iceweasel *is* Firefox just with another name. > Yes, usually. But it also wreaks havoc with certain sites because the user agent says "ice weasel" which most sites don't recognize. If you stay with ice weasel, I recommend the firefox user agent switcher plugin if you have any problems with scripts not running etc.</blockquote><div> Or in about:config set "general .useragent.extra.firefox" to "Firefox/2.0.0.8". Manon. </div></div> ------=_Part_13132_13618823.1194203017846--

Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 21:12:28 +0200 From: Jabka Atu <mashrom.head@gmail.com> To: Kevin Mark <kevin.mark@verizon.net>, debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Search for BTN based software Message-ID: <472E199C.7090308@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kevin Mark wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 03:51:48PM +0200, Jabka Atu wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hello,... >> >>  After a lecture about BTN (Balanced Ternary Notation) i >> tried to find (free) software that is created using this kind of point >> of view. >> >> - From we was told that this kind of programing is used in DNA software >> but i didn't found any documentation in apt source for btn based software. >> >> Could you please guide me for a free software that is created by this >> idea ? >>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_ternary
> Is this what you mean? Google didn't find any software win/lin/mac for
> me.
Yes. As we been told most of the software in the academy is Commercial and you can't see the code. Some of the use of BTN based software is in (As been told) in Bio an Chemistry Eng. Also i didn't find any application using Google since this is extreamly low level (i can't how it will effect C or higher langs). - -- - -- Could you at least use man ? Jabka Atu (aka mha13/Mashrom Head) || bsh83.blogspot.com - -- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBRy4Zm29p6JnF9I1qAQLaIw//bQuTWfalUTxafVi85Rn1aN+4eS+a76Ba i8YDgPMGnW6fXvJP/iPLNOqcfJDojElzUWR+TONVOYcuaZf/ReYz5dAbUgxw5Yg7 2IejRHIGTRbJFeLpocEoToH209oBtBR27bkTh7LYuHgzV2f4eigqKLH7mPs9puLH uGu9SB8YmY9DsQXQLxvfCgnCR7d+AidPYWpk7UKCfi8ZaqKcwGeJh/yVbsFDA/fu b8KW9FoB4AnedJ2k5ejVvdA4xjDaTS43C37V6GMH/uji9W7UBm6XY/z9wBukPLDE b5f1HRqm1bguZie8yMLm0vDbAPdQlesdbuCOFTYuyWVNXDj6P5p6sIYw/1JZqflW av4Th9aHr7RbIr4M5+QyATE1583v9ZgAwwIkbOWtfdEElAWaZqrTiH0sFz1uDgZZ 63ht3+k/vUtLCbJqMTEHfUsNtpae+IyMHmjS8pwMoaZeydRhC/MecSts5kJS0Bsp rFZysv7cbnr251BfaQG6D1NfXZMuVX4TvuAG1H6on80vcw3PF0mY2FV2C0PcMa+l FwAskQ01JLOCys9ygSQLEyEv4T55+VaVoFT56yv6tpB3HctyJn3nzuWzjUaZK5Br p+f+yGLrQVRFyfZtuk5dEObNuFbB42xQUTaKjESGiKe5V3GlIkM57VMm6lvyTDuf tjva0JqYeIM= =UUCr -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 14:21:37 -0500 From: Kevin Mark <kevin.mark@verizon.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Search for BTN based software Message-ID: <20071104192137.GA27744@horacrux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 09:12:28PM +0200, Jabka Atu wrote:
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>=20
> Kevin Mark wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 03:51:48PM +0200, Jabka Atu wrote:
> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> >>
> >> Hello,...
> >>
> >>  After a lecture about BTN (Balanced Ternary Notation) i
> >> tried to find (free) software that is created using this kind of point
> >> of view.
> >>
> >> - From we was told that this kind of programing is used in DNA software
> >> but i didn't found any documentation in apt source for btn based softw=
are.
> >>
> >> Could you please guide me for a free software that is created by this
> >> idea ?
> >>
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_ternary
> > Is this what you mean? Google didn't find any software win/lin/mac for
> > me.
> Yes.
>=20
> As we been told most of the software in the academy is Commercial and
> you can't see the code.
> Some of the use of BTN based software is in (As been told) in Bio an
> Chemistry Eng.
>=20
> Also i didn't find any application using Google since this is
> extreamly low level (i can't how it will effect C or higher langs).
I would suggest asking the debian-med project (ML, irc, or similar), If anyone would have a 'foggy idea=B4 what you are looking for, it should be them. There are DD who work in bio/med related areas (david nusinow, yarislav harchenko, charles plessy?,...) so someone in Debian-land may be able to at least know about this.=20 --=20 | .''`. =3D=3D Debian GNU/Linux =3D=3D | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal |mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/| | `. `' Operating System | go to counter.li.org and | | `- http://www.debian.org/ | be counted! #238656 | | my keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | |join the new debian-community.org to help Debian! | |_______ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed _______|

Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:23:47 +0000 From: Joe <joe@jretrading.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: risks of using net apps as a user in wheel or adm? Message-ID: <fgl684$gp$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 03, 2007 at 10:41:35AM +0000, Joe wrote:
>> Andrew Sackville-West wrote: >>> On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 09:29:51PM +0000, Joe wrote: >>>> Microsoft Update and apt-get are probably as close as you get, and I >>>> wouldn't bet a large amount of money that either is 100% safe. One day MU >>>> will get hacked, and the whole world will collapse. >>>> >>> wow, that's quite a comparison: Microsoft Update which will secretly >>> upgrade stuff on the system even when explicitly told not to versus >>> apt-get which must be explicitly told what to do and then asks "are >>> you sure?" And I won't even go into the parts where you get to look at >>> apt code... >>> Frankly I hope MU does get hacked (if it hasn't already) because some >>> people need to learn some lessons, not the least of which is MS itself >>> for releasing such tragically flawed software to begin with. Note though >>> that I do not wish ill upon the poor users of this >>> product... merely that the PTB's over there would get a clue (and yes >>> I know many of them do have a clue, just not enough or the right ones). >> Ah, I wasn't comparing operational use,
>
> fair enough...
>
>> just the systems as being >> reasonably tamper-proof methods of delivering software from the original >> sources to the user.
>
> see, there is a significant difference here. MU allows kernel level
> software upgrades to be loaded into the system without admin
> intervention or knowledge. So it appears to me that MU is *not*
> reasonably tamper-proof and is infact designed to be tampered with..
>
>> The vast majority of downloaded software comes from >> unidentifiable sources via paths which are relatively easily hacked.
>
> The vast majority of whose software? All mine comes from signed
> archives with keys that I can verify.
>
>> The MU issue is simply one of monoculture, not software quality.
>
> I disagree. The whole MU issue is about fundamentally flawed ideas
> about software. The software produced from a flawed concept (that its
> okay to have some party arbitrarily install kernel level software
> remotely without admin interaction) is flawed and not quality
> software.
>
>> If 90% of >> the world's PCs used apt-get daily, the repercussions of malware smuggled >> into major packages would be just as serious as an MU hack today.
>
> Yes, except again, if the apt repositories were compromised, we would
> still have the option to not bother typing apt-get upgrade (once the
> news got out, of course. Some would surely still fall...). If someone
> hacks MU, then that hack can be distributed automatically to every box
> to be automatically installed even if the admin has turned off the
> automatic install "feature".
>
> BTW, I'm not sure that we're actually arguing here. It maybe that I
> just don't understand what you're saying :)
>
It was to do with the original point, active client-side content of web pages, really. This was the 'vast majority of downloaded software' I meant, and was contrasting it with the distribution of system executables, which is done relatively safely. Microsoft may not be as ethical as we would like, but so far the actual distribution system has remained fairly tamper-proof. Whatever malicious software ends up in the machine is exactly the malicious software that Microsoft meant to distribute. And if the use of apt reached Windows-like proportions, how many people would manually invoke it each day? How many would scour the Internet for half an hour first, looking for evidence that the pending updates were safe or not? My point was that the mass of JS, Flash etc. which is taken as a normal part of web browsing, is as Doug said back in the beginning, the execution of someone else's programs on your computer. I'm not convinced it's the right way to be going, and I'd like to see the processing done on the server, with only the client's screen being affected by the result. I doubt that many Linux users would disagree, it's always been the Windows world that has pushed the PC as an entertainment machine, owned by Microsoft and the other software writers rather than the person who paid for it. A few more attributes of html tags would in my mind be preferable to requiring JS for quick entry validation, for example. I'm a bit uneasy that even banks seem to find JS indispensable, when for the kind of simple user entry processing involved, it certainly isn't. And while I'm a user of Windows, and indeed a Microsoft Partner, it's purely for economic reasons. I sup with the longest spoon I can find, and I've yet to find a good word to say about the company itself. But hey, I deal with my government, whose ethics are lower still.

Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 20:51:25 +0100 From: Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: grajkiran@gmail.com Subject: Re: Contacts printing Message-ID: <87lk9dpz5u.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 01:12:06PM +0100, Rodolfo Medina wrote: >>>>>>> I wish a way to print the >>>>>>> Contacts (about 300) that I have stored in a directory, one per file. Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> writes: >>>>>> I think you just need to write a script in your favorite language to >>>>>> parse the files and format it to your liking then just print it out. Rodolfo: >>>>> Every file is like this: >>>>> >>>>> BEGIN:VCARD >>>>> VERSION:2.1 >>>>> N:;Oliver Hardy ;;; >>>>> TEL;CELL:3391234567 >>>>> TEL;VOICE;HOME:081123567 >>>>> FN:Oliver Hardy >>>>> END:VCARD >>>>> >>>>> , so the major problem would be sorting: how to sort whole items like >>>>> that? >>>> >>>> I want to cat all those file into one file and then sort the above >>>> entries, I >>>> don't know how. I also want to eliminate redundant symbols and words like >>>> `BEGIN:VCARD', `END:VCARD', `N:;', `VERSION:2.1' etc. Raj Kiran Grandhi <grajkiran@gmail.com> writes:
> The following line will get you your contacts in a format you can import into
> a spreadsheet.
>
> $ for file in /path/to/dir/*;do tail -n4 $file|head -n 3 \
> |cut -f 2 -d :|xargs echo $(basename $file);done
>
> That will put the filename, the two phone numbers and name in each line. You
> might want to replace the spaces with comma's and save the file to some name
> ending with .csv to ease import into a spreadsheet
Thanks!, the file is imported into the spreadsheet. But the items are still not sorted, which remains the main problem (besides some coding problems). Any hint about that? Rodolfo

Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 22:10:05 +0200 From: David Baron <d_baron@012.net.il> To: "debian-user@lists.debian.org" <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Mouse stopped working Message-id: <200711042210.05335.d_baron@012.net.il> Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Maybe the rodent itself kicked, but: While is was working, I got on bootup: PNP PS/2 Controller ..... Now, not working, I get on bootup PNP PS/2 Controller .... PNP PS/2 Controller appears to have AUX port disabled, if this is incorrect please boot with i8042.nopnp If this is relevant, what do I do? (Corolary symtom: Mousedev module hits /dev/psaux and was being loaded automatically. Now it is not. So I uncommented in /etc/modules. Mouse still does not work but /dev/psaux is then "engaged") End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #2739 ************************************************** Received on Sun Nov 4 18:17:18 2007

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