Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:53:53 +0200
From: Micha Feigin <michf@post.tau.ac.il>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Programmers Text Editor
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On Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:03:45 -0700
Nate Duehr <nate@natetech.com> wrote:
>
> On Nov 5, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Steve Lamb wrote:
>
> > David Brodbeck wrote:
> >> Using vi requires you to keep track of the
> >> editor's state in your head -- you have to remember whether it's in
> >> input mode or command mode. I've never been able to do that
> >> reliably.
> >
> > Neither have I. However I did learn early on in my vim life that
> > ESC in
> > insert mode puts you in command mode. ESC in command mode puts you in
> > command mode. So if you're not sure, just slap escape then you are
> > sure. :))
>
> I have an older friend who's been doing Unix since, well... the
> beginning, and we were talking about this once, and he pointed out
> that he and his buddies figured out the in all of the possible modes/
> windows, three ESC's would always get you back to command mode from
> "anywhere" in vi.
>
> I've never really analyzed that statement, but it did start me a new
> habit... I usually hit it more than once while/if I'm thinking about
> what to do next and know I need to go to command mode before doing it.
>
My problem is that half the time i hit f1 instead and go into help ending up
saving some change or other to the help file or something else, not sure what
and go into record mode, not to mansion that pasting always gives me crazy
indentations.
Personally I prefer emacs, but it takes longer to load and I am still looking
for a proper project management (find definition/declaration etc.). Tags always
seems to do something else then needed, especially with c++ and fortran (no
proper class support and people seem to think that fortran is not used by
anyone for some unknown reason and don't bother making editors work with it)
> --
> Nate Duehr
> nate@natetech.com
>
>
>
>
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:19:07 -0300
From: Gabriel Parrondo <g.parrondo@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How to check tftp server is running?
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El mar, 06-11-2007 a las 20:51 +1100, hce escribi=C3=B3:
[...]
>=20
> Thanks Andrew, you are indeed so helpful.
>=20
> Fow anyone who knows debian, please help me the following:
>=20
> In FC6, the tftp script is in xinetd.d, I can call xinetd restart to
> include tftp service.
>=20
> In Debian, I could not find a tftp script in init.d. In fact, I could
> not find a tftp script under /etc. How can I get the tftp service?
>=20
Leave tftpd for good and try out tftpd-hpa which seems easier to setup
and can be started as a daemon the "invoke-rc.d" way.=20
I've been using it for a year now for several thin clients and I've
never had any problems.
Best,
--=20
Gabriel Parrondo
GNU/Linux User #404138
GnuPG Public Key ID: BED7BF43
JID: gabrielp@xmpp.us
"The only difference between theory and practice is that, in theory, there'=
s no difference between theory and practice."
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Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:15:18 +0200
From: "Tshepang Lekhonkhobe" <tshepang@gmail.com>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: what's your favourite FLOSS?
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Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
add missing categories:
audio editor:
*
audio player:
*
cd-ripper:
*
desktop OR window manager:
*
DBMS:
*
development:
*
disc burner:
*
e-mail client:
*
file manager:
*
finance:
*
ftp client:
*
image editor:
*
image viewer:
*
instant messenger:
*
mathematics:
*
misc utilities:
*
news:
*
p2p:
*
package manager:
*
pdf-reader:
*
spreadsheet:
*
tag editor:
*
terminal emulator:
*
text editor:
*
video player:
*
web browser:
*
word-processor:
*
anything unreleased and anticipated:
*
anything deserving great honours (EG. GCC):
*
games:
*
non-free:
*
--
my place on the web:
floss-and-misc.blogspot.com
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:32:31 +0100
From: Johannes Wiedersich <johannes@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Could not find nfs package
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Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 02:17:10PM +1100, hce wrote:
>> I am from FC where
>> installation of packages are different to Debian.
>>
>
> welcome to the dark side....
should read:
welcome from the dark side....
or
welcome to the bright side....
It's us who are bright, and 'they' are dark, after all. -- At least
according to a very simplified theory ;-)
Don't frighten new users!
Johannes
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Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 05:58:47 -0600
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Programmers Text Editor
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On 11/05/07 19:51, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
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>> On 11/05/07 17:40, BartlebyScrivener wrote:
>>> On Nov 5, 5:30 pm, "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtu...@porchlight.ca> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:10:50PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
>>>> Using vi requires you to keep track of the
>>>>> editor's state in your head -- you have to remember whether it's in
>>>>> input mode or command mode. I've never been able to do that reliably.
>>>> My vim (not vi) tells me at the bottom of the screen. Right now it
>>>> says:
>>>>
>>>> -- INSERT -- 13,66
>>>> All
>>>>
>>> Not only that, the cursor block goes from fat (in normal mode) to
>>> skinny (in insert mode).
>>
>> That must be configurable, because my cursor is always block-sized.
>>
>
> The shift to line cursor in insert mode only works in gvim.
Shows how often I use gvim...
> In vim, the
> status line is the only indicator. In any case, I am sure vim users
> don't even bother to remember the mode. They just <Escape> out of doubt.
Of course. That's the first lesson those old "how to use vi" guides
taught.
- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA USA
Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!
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Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 06:04:35 -0600
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: The problem with modern hardware... (Re: Programmers Text Editor)
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On 11/06/07 04:53, Micha Feigin wrote:
[snip]
>
> Personally I prefer emacs, but it takes longer to load and I am still looking
Modern machines are so fast that the younger generations of geeks
don't know the real joy of vi-users bashing emacs because it takes
SOOOO LOOOONG to load on a Sun3, and is a OS unto itself...
- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA USA
Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!
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Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 06:10:00 -0600
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: List of packages on a Debian / Ubuntu system
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On 11/06/07 03:27, Ivan Glushkov wrote:
> dpkg -l | grep ii
>
> will do the job
A more effective variant is:
COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l | grep ii
> Cheers,
> Ivan
>
> brian.from.fl@gmail.com wrote:
>> I'm sure I am overlooking something, but after scouring the dpkg
>> documentation, I cannot find the options that tell me a list of all
>> packages that are installed on my system and the time/date on which
>> they were installed and/or updated.
>>
>> What I am looking for is something similar to rpm -qa, but for Debian-
>> based Ubuntu systems, and also with some date information for each
>> package (such as an installation log).
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>>
>
>
- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA USA
Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!
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Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:39:06 +0100
From: Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: How to sort ignoring digits? (was: Contacts printing)
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In the documentation of `sort' I couldn't find the possibility of ignoring
digits. I have a document that contains names and phone numbers and I wish to
sort it by names. The `-k' option doesn't seem to help because names and
numbers are not in definite fields.
Any help appreciated
Rodolfo
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:42:23 +0000
From: Live session user <vgini@hypersystems.gr>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: hello
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hello,
I have Windows XP and i have install Debian from pendrivelinux.com with
"LaunchPDL", but only run in "safe mode", not in "Live"...
in "Live" i see many - many "lost interrupt" messages...
why?
I wait for your answer...(if you want)...
thanks a lot...
Date: 06 Nov 2007 12:41:23 GMT
From: Tyler Smith <tyler.smith@mail.mcgill.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Programmers Text Editor
Message-ID: <slrnfj0o7j.4hq.tyler.smith@blackbart.mynetwork>
On 2007-11-05, BartlebyScrivener <bscrivener42@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have to work on both Windows and Debian, and Vim works in both
> places. Getting Emacs to run on Windows is a pain in the neck.
>
It used to be that Xemacs was easier than Emacs to get running on
Windows, but the new Emacs22 is supposed to change that. Not that that
alone would be enough to justify switching from Vim, but it shouldn't
be an issue anymore.
Tyler
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:04:37 +0530
From: Raj Kiran Grandhi <grajkiran@gmail.com>
To: hce <webmail.hce@gmail.com>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How to check tftp server is running?
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hce wrote:
> On 11/6/07, Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 04:21:31PM +1100, hce wrote:
>>> On 11/6/07, Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 01:32:47PM +1100, hce wrote:
>>>>> On 11/6/07, Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 11:35:17AM +1100, hce wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/6/07, Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> please provide
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> dpkg -l tftpd
>>>>>>> ~$ dpkg -l tftpd
>>>>>>> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
>>>>>>> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
>>>>>>> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
>>>>>>> ||/ Name Version Description
>>>>>>> +++-==============-==============-============================================
>>>>>>> rc tftpd 0.17-15 Trivial file transfer protocol server
>> ----------^^
>>
>>>>>> rc means that it is not installed.
>>> $ sudo dpkg -l tftpd
>>> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
>>> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
>>> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
>>> ||/ Name Version Description
>>> +++-==============-==============-============================================
>>> ii tftpd 0.17-15 Trivial file transfer protocol server
>> --^^
>>
>> ii means its installed.
>>
>>> Well, I've called "$ sudo /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart", but
>>> tftpd doesn't seem work.
>> try running it directly, instead of from inet.d because I'm guessing
>> this is an inet.d configuration problem. I don't use inet.d, so
>> someone else will have to help here.
>
> Thanks Andrew, you are indeed so helpful.
>
> Fow anyone who knows debian, please help me the following:
>
> In FC6, the tftp script is in xinetd.d, I can call xinetd restart to
> include tftp service.
>
> In Debian, I could not find a tftp script in init.d. In fact, I could
> not find a tftp script under /etc. How can I get the tftp service?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jim
>
>
I had replied to this thread earlier, but apparently my post was lost.
Anyway here it is again:
I have had good results by installing the tftpd-hpa package. You can run
it from either inetd or standalone. For running the standalone version
you need to disable it in /etc/inetd.conf and set the relevant flag to
"yes" in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
To check whether the server is running, install some tftp client (say
tftp-hpa), then try getting a file from the machine:
==
$ tftp localhost
tftp> get somefile
==
If you get an error almost immediately saying the file could not be
found, that means the server is running :)
--
Raj Kiran Grandhi
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:30:39 -0500
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: hello
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On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 02:42:23PM +0000, Live session user wrote:
> I have Windows XP and i have install Debian from pendrivelinux.com with
> "LaunchPDL", but only run in "safe mode", not in "Live"...
>
> in "Live" i see many - many "lost interrupt" messages...
>
> why?
>
> I wait for your answer...(if you want)...
>
Why do you ask Debian. Ask PDL.
Doug.
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:43:29 -0600
From: "Russell L. Harris" <rlharris@oplink.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How to sort ignoring digits? (was: Contacts printing)
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* Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> [071106 06:42]:
> In the documentation of `sort' I couldn't find the possibility of ignoring
> digits. I have a document that contains names and phone numbers and I wish to
> sort it by names. The `-k' option doesn't seem to help because names and
> numbers are not in definite fields.
>
> Any help appreciated
> Rodolfo
>
Look at Perl. You likely can find whatever help you need on the
Perlmongers mail list.
RLH
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 15:43:51 +0200
From: "Emre Sevinc" <emres@bilgi.edu.tr>
To: "Tyler Smith" <tyler.smith@mail.mcgill.ca>,
<debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: RE: Programmers Text Editor
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Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:04:33 -0500
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How to sort ignoring digits? (was: Contacts printing)
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On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 07:43:29AM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> * Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> [071106 06:42]:
> > In the documentation of `sort' I couldn't find the possibility of ignoring
> > digits. I have a document that contains names and phone numbers and I wish to
> > sort it by names. The `-k' option doesn't seem to help because names and
> > numbers are not in definite fields.
> >
> > Any help appreciated
> > Rodolfo
> >
>
> Look at Perl. You likely can find whatever help you need on the
> Perlmongers mail list.
If he could program in Perl, he could have solved this problem aeons
ago. It started as 300 or so numbered files of contacts. Its now one
big file and I think he's got it down to each record on one line. Now
he wants to sort it but the records aren't in fields. This problem
really would have been (still could be) a terrific beginner's work in
either Perl or Python (or Ada).
Rodolfo, you'll need to send us a sample couple of lines EXACTLY as they
appear in your file so that someone who knows sort can help.
You'll also need to tell us EXACTLY what you want the file to look like
when all is said and done. What do you want to do with this?
Doug.
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:21:22 -0600
From: Kent West <westk@acu.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: hello
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Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 02:42:23PM +0000, Live session user wrote:
>
>> I have Windows XP and i have install Debian from pendrivelinux.com with
>> "LaunchPDL", but only run in "safe mode", not in "Live"...
>>
>> in "Live" i see many - many "lost interrupt" messages...
>>
>> why?
>>
>> I wait for your answer...(if you want)...
>>
>>
>
> Why do you ask Debian. Ask PDL.
>
> Doug.
>
>
>
Doug didn't mean to sound rude; that's just the nature of email sometimes.
What he means though is that Debian is not part of PDL; PDL has
apparently taken Debian software and put together a pen drive with it.
Not knowing anything about PDL (until you've mentioned it), most Debian
folks therefore can only guess at what might be causing your issues. For
example, one guess I can make is that you may need to feed the kernel
some parameter at startup, such as "NOAPIC". But since we (as "Debian"
in general) don't know how PDL is constructed, Doug's advice is good
advice; see if you can find a support link on the pendrivelinux.com
site; that'll be more likely to provide you with the solution you need.
Sorry we're unfamiliar with PDL and probably can't be of much help.
--
Kent
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:59:25 +0100
From: Lars <debs@utysket.dk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Debian Lenny freezes in X
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Hi
I'm running Debian Lenny (kernel 2.6.22-2) on my laptop Asus
M6Ne. After 5-10 min. in X the system freezes up (or
part of it). When it happens, the keyboard and hotkeys stops
responding. But the usb mouse/touchpad still works,
although I can't change desktop, focus windows and etc. Half the
time the powerbutton works and I can make a proper shutdown, the
other it's killing the power. I've also tried with the standard ati
module and the proprietary module fglrx. Wifi (ipw2200) module isn't
loaded.
I normally use Xfce4, but I read on bugs.debian.org something
regarding freeze and audio. So yesterday I started using Gnome to
have a stable X until the other problem got solved. But now I
experienced a freeze, similar to the Xfce4. So now I'm quite lost on
where to start.
/Lars
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:05:39 -0700
From: "Joel Roberts" <Joel.Roberts@pinkardcc.com>
To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Syslog Server on Debian Etch
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I'm trying to configure a syslog server on Debian Etch, but so far the
only walkthrough I've found is for Debian Sarge. The walkthrough says to
modify the /etc/init.d/sysklogd file at the line that says: SYSLOGD=3D""
and change it to SYSLOGD=3D"-r -m0"
=20
There is no such line in the sysklogd file. I added it, but it doesn't
seem to be logging. Have stopped and restarted the service, rebooted the
server and still my log file is at 0 bytes.
=20
In the /etc/syslog.conf, I added the line:
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Local7.debug /mnt/hdb1/syslog/logfilename.log
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And it did automatically create the file, but nothing's going into it
from either the Netscreen firewall or the test Windows server. And I
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