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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2756

Today's Topics: 

  Fwd: what's your favourite FLOSS?     [ "David Fox"  ]
  Re: Syslog Server on Debian Etch      [ "Douglas A. Tutty"  ]
  Re: creative zen management with com  [ "David Fox"  ]
  Re: Debian Lenny freezes in X         [ Andrew Sackville-West  ]
  Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?      [ Andrew Sackville-West 

Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 07:21:44 -0800


From: "David Fox" <dfox94085@gmail.com>


To: "Debian Users" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Fwd: what's your favourite FLOSS?

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Oops sorry I wanted to post to the list.




  •   Forwarded message ----------
From: David Fox <dfox94085@gmail.com>
Date: Nov 6, 2007 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?
To: Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <tshepang@gmail.com>





On Nov 6, 2007 3:15 AM, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <tshepang@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
> add missing categories:
>
> audio editor:

Is it just me, or am I alone suffering deja vu? I'm sure this message
has been posted before on d-u.


Do you need help?X

I saw another few threads in inbox today that I really thought I had
seen before.



Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:17:01 -0500


From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Syslog Server on Debian Etch

Message-ID: <20071106151701.GA6894@titan.hooton>

Do you need more help?X

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On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:05:39AM -0700, Joel Roberts wrote:

> I'm trying to configure a syslog server on Debian Etch, but so far the
> only walkthrough I've found is for Debian Sarge. The walkthrough says to
> modify the /etc/init.d/sysklogd file at the line that says: SYSLOGD=""
> and change it to SYSLOGD="-r -m0"
> 
> There is no such line in the sysklogd file. I added it, but it doesn't
> seem to be logging. Have stopped and restarted the service, rebooted the
> server and still my log file is at 0 bytes.
> 
> In the /etc/syslog.conf, I added the line:
> 
> Local7.debug    /mnt/hdb1/syslog/logfilename.log
> 
> And it did automatically create the file, but nothing's going into it
> from either the Netscreen firewall or the test Windows server. And I
> don't see anything listening on port 514 with a netstat.
> 
> Anyone know a way to jumpstart it to get it running? Thanks in advance.
> 

On the sending machine, you put something like:



*.* 	@logger.my.domain



On the receiving hosts, syslogd needs the -r parameter.



This is placed in /etc/default/syslogd


Can we help you?X

You'll also have to open the appropriate port in any firewall (both on
the reciving and sending boxes).



Then I'd reboot all systems; the logger server first, followed by the
logger clients.



Doug.



Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:27:41 +0100


From: Pavel SRB <srb@heckler-koch.cz>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Programmers Text Editor

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Richard wrote:

> Looking to get into programming for linux, 
> would like to do: Java, Perl & Lisp
>
> What editors (IDE or RAD) environment application would work
> or if needed to run 2 or 3 different editors that would be fine too.
>
> (please no: emacs or vi (or command line apps) 
>
> wanting something that would be better than xcode on the mac,
> which contain all libraries, and syntax for dozen of languages,
> it just made it easier to type and see a drop down command choice,
> from the contextual menu. with a built-in debugger..neat.
>
> TIA -

> Richard
>
>
>   


hi



i am very very happy with emacs. Once i have learned the key strokes, i
start working faster. And i nearly do not have to use mouse :o). If you
also want to learn Lisp, you can look around Elisp, in which you can
enhance your emacs.



good luck


Can't find what you're looking for?X

Pavel SRB



Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:01:43 -0800


From: "David Fox" <dfox94085@gmail.com>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: creative zen management with command-line interface

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On Oct 21, 2007 2:43 PM, Russell L. Harris <rlharris@oplink.net> wrote:

> I have been searching without success for a command-line tool to
> manage a Creative Zen mp3 player.
>
> The only Creative Zen management tool for Linux which I have
> discovered thus far is gnomad2 (version 2.8.12-2 currently in the
> Debian "testing" archive).

Disclaimer - I have an Iriver T3 mp3 player, not a Creative Zen one.



I use mtp-tools to manage it. It's command line, and sessions resemble
something like:



$ mtp-connect --sendfile whatever.mp3



It's clunky but it does work.



Don't know where to look next?X

dfox@m206-157:~$ apt-cache search libmtp
libmtp5 - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) library
libmtp-dev - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) development files
libmtp-doc - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) library documentation
libmtp6 - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) library
mtp-tools - Media Transfer Protocol (MTP) library tools



>
> But gnomad2 (which has a GUI) crashes on occasion, takes forever to
> delete a file, and appears to have left a corrupted file on my

gnomad2 does also work here with the Iriver device, but it's slow to
start up and libmtp is quicker.



Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:18:48 -0800


From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Debian Lenny freezes in X


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On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 03:59:25PM +0100, Lars wrote:

>=20
> Hi
> I'm running Debian Lenny (kernel 2.6.22-2) on my laptop Asus
> M6Ne. After 5-10 min. in X the system freezes up (or
> part of it).


=2E..

> I normally use Xfce4, but I read on bugs.debian.org something
> regarding freeze and audio. So yesterday I started using Gnome to
> have a stable X until the other problem got solved. But now I
> experienced a freeze, similar to the Xfce4. So now I'm quite lost on
> where to start.
Confused? Frustrated?X

xfce4 and gnome are built on some of the same libs, so that's not a
clean comparison of WM/DE for purposes of debugging. If you can stand
it, drop gdm and go to a completely different WM like IceWM using
startx. See if that helps.=20



I kind of doubt that its a WM issue, though.=20



A



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Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:50:56 +0530


From: Raj Kiran Grandhi <grajkiran@gmail.com>
To: brian.from.fl@gmail.com


Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: List of packages on a Debian / Ubuntu system

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Call Pantek today for Open Source Technical Support at 1-877-546-8934 - 24/7/365X

brian.from.fl@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm sure I am overlooking something, but after scouring the dpkg
> documentation, I cannot find the options that tell me a list of all
> packages that are installed on my system and the time/date on which
> they were installed and/or updated.
> 
> What I am looking for is something similar to rpm -qa, but for Debian-
> based Ubuntu systems, and also with some date information for each
> package (such as an installation log).

For finding out the date of installation of any package, I just look at 
the timestamp of the corresponding .list file in /var/lib/dpkg/info.



dpkg-www can show you a list of packages installed in the last <n> days.



-- 
Raj Kiran Grandhi


Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:22:26 -0800
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Could not find nfs package
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On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 12:32:31PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:

> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 02:17:10PM +1100, hce wrote:
> >> I am from FC where
> >> installation of packages are different to Debian.
> >>
> >=20
> > welcome to the dark side....
>=20
> should read:
>=20
> welcome from the dark side....
> or
> welcome to the bright side....
>=20
> It's us who are bright, and 'they' are dark, after all. -- At least
> according to a very simplified theory ;-)


well we all know that, but from OP's perspective, we are the dark
side. At least that's the impression I get from some FC using devs I
know. THey all almost hate debian because they don't understand it.=20

One day they too will feel the power of the dark side!


>=20
> Don't frighten new users!


;-P

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Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:26:09 -0800
From: "David Fox" <dfox94085@gmail.com>
To: "Tshepang Lekhonkhobe" <tshepang@gmail.com>
Cc: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: 2006 results for debian-user's favourite FLOSS
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On Nov 6, 2007 2:51 AM, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <tshepang@gmail.com> wrote:

> Last year (and the year before) I asked debian-user which of the
> thousands of available FLOSS was their favourite. I 'd like to do the
> same for this year (on another mail, so hurry not with your picks).


oh - in that case disregard my last mail! Sorry

I thought it was a duplicate, and the blank survey form came before
this mail did.

Oops.



Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:29:00 -0800
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?
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On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 01:15:18PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:

> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
> add missing categories:


Oh, this is too easy:
=2E..

> desktop OR window manager:
> *


/usr/bin/x-window-manager


> terminal emulator:


/usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator


>=20
> text editor:


/usr/bin/editor

=2E..

> web browser:


/usr/bin/x-www-browser

etc.

A

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Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:34:29 -0800
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Driver loaded, now, how do I access the camera? (WAS: Re:
	Intel Deluxe PC Camera )
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On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 11:00:42PM -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote:

>>  =20
> OK.  I Manually downloaded the gspca-source module and did 'm-a update' a=

nd=20

> when I went through the steps it seemed to build OK, but did not load. =

=20

> Silly me!  Once I unplugged the camera and re-plugged it in, the driver=

=20

> loaded just like it ought to.  At least is seems to have done so.  Runnin=

g=20

> lsmod shows the gspca module and a few other new modules.  Dmesg shows:
>
> usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 3
> usb 3-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
> Linux video capture interface: v2.00
> /usr/src/modules/gspca/gspca_core.c: USB SPCA5XX camera found. (SPCA501 )
> /usr/src/modules/gspca/gspca_core.c: [spca5xx_probe:3887] Camera type YUYV
> /usr/src/modules/gspca/gspca_core.c: [spca5xx_getcapability:1165] maxw 64=

0=20

> maxh 480 minw 160 minh 120
> usbcore: registered new interface driver gspca
> /usr/src/modules/gspca/gspca_core.c: gspca driver 01.00.04 registered
>
> So my drivers seem to be loaded.  Now, how do I access the camera, so tha=

t=20

> I can capture an image to be processed?  I am currently thinking of using=

=20

> opencv through either C/C++ or Python.  How would I access the camera to=

=20

> generate an image (probably jpeg) that I could then save to disk or,=20
> preferably, pipe to opencv?


look at /dev/video*

and look at any number of video capture programs. I use motion, there
are many many others.

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Do you need help?X

Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:23:44 -0500
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Debian Lenny freezes in X
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On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 03:59:25PM +0100, Lars wrote:

> I normally use Xfce4, but I read on bugs.debian.org something
> regarding freeze and audio. So yesterday I started using Gnome to
> have a stable X until the other problem got solved. But now I
> experienced a freeze, similar to the Xfce4. So now I'm quite lost on
> where to start.


I've never experienced the words "gnome" and "stable" in the same
sentence.  Try a plain window manager just to remove that possibility.
Try icewm.

Doug.



Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:44:05 -0800 (PST)
From: joseph lockhart <jwl_andlovesaidno@yahoo.com>
To: "Michael M. Moore" <michael@writemoore.net>,
	debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Which browser is better, firefox?
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--- "Michael M. Moore" <michael@writemoore.net> wrote:


>=20
> On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 10:59 +1100, hce wrote:
> > Hi,
> >=20
> > Is the firefox the best browser?
>=20
>=20
> I can say definitively that Dillo is the best
> browser.
>=20
> There, that's settled.
>=20

is it, Dillo is good, but i think Lynx is faster (of
course that may just be the text only thing) :)

jwlockhart

this user is penguin powered

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20
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Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:58:26 -0700
From: John Schmidt <john.andrew.schmidt@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Driver loaded, now, how do I access the camera? (WAS: Re: Intel Deluxe PC Camera )
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On Tuesday 06 November 2007, Marc Shapiro wrote:


>
> So my drivers seem to be loaded.  Now, how do I access the camera, so
> that I can capture an image to be processed?  I am currently thinking of
> using opencv through either C/C++ or Python.  How would I access the
> camera to generate an image (probably jpeg) that I could then save to
> disk or, preferably, pipe to opencv?
>
> --
> Marc Shapiro
> mshapiro_42@yahoo.com


I played around with camstream which is a debian package and it might work for 
your needs.

John



Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 19:24:53 +0200
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Programmers Text Editor
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On Mon, Nov 05, 2007 at 03:10:50PM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:


> I think it comes down to personal taste.  I just can't get the hang of vi=

=2E =20

> I use it when I have to, but after years of using it off and on I still d=

o=20

> things like accidentally insert 127 copies of the letter 'a' into my file=

=2E =20

> Using vi requires you to keep track of the editor's state in your head --=

=20

> you have to remember whether it's in input mode or command mode.  I've=20
> never been able to do that reliably.


set showmode

Regards,
Andrei
--=20
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)

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Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:17:56 -0800
From: "Kelly Clowers" <kelly.clowers@gmail.com>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?
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On Nov 6, 2007 3:15 AM, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <tshepang@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
> add missing categories:


Is it already that time of year?
This is always fun, thanks for doing it, Tshepang.


> audio editor:

Audacity


> audio player:

Amarok


> cd-ripper:

Sound-Juicer


> desktop OR window manager:

wmii, fluxbox


> DBMS:

Postgresql


> development:
> *
>
> disc burner:

k3b


> e-mail client:

none (gmail)


> file manager:

vifm, Konqueror


> finance:

KMyMoney


> ftp client:

Konqueror


> image editor:

Krita


> image viewer:

gthumb, fbi


> instant messenger:

psi


> mathematics:

wcalc


> misc utilities:

ssh, screen, sudo, scim, wget, lsof, ip (iproute2), git, svn, mr


> news:

Pan (assuming news = NNTP)


> p2p:

transmission


> package manager:

aptitude


> pdf-reader:

evince


> spreadsheet:

KSpread


> tag editor:

Amarok


> terminal emulator:

urxvt


> text editor:

vim


> video player:

gxine


> web browser:

SeaMonkey


> word-processor:

KWord


> anything unreleased and anticipated:

KDE4, Amarok2, KOffice2, Firefox3, GVFS/GIO


> anything deserving great honours (EG. GCC):

Xorg, Linux Kernel, GCC, D-Bus, HAL, PulseAudio, ConsoleKit, PolicyKit,
PackageKit, Network-Manager, bash, vim, Debian, git, ikiwiki


> games:

Frozen Bubble


> non-free:

Starcraft, Civ3

Feed reader (RSS/Atom):
Newsfox (SeaMonkey/Firefox extension)

Download Manager:
wget

web server:
apache

web framework:
ikiwiki

other servers:
sshd, PowerDNS, MIT Kerberos, OpenLDAP


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers



Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:27:42 -0800
From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu>
To: debian user list <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: The problem with modern hardware... (Re: Programmers Text Editor)
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On Nov 6, 2007, at 4:04 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:


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> On 11/06/07 04:53, Micha Feigin wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>> Personally I prefer emacs, but it takes longer to load and I am  
>> still looking
>
> Modern machines are so fast that the younger generations of geeks
> don't know the real joy of vi-users bashing emacs because it takes
> SOOOO LOOOONG to load on a Sun3, and is a OS unto itself...


Well, yeah, but once you load it you're not supposed to ever exit. ;)



Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:39:04 -0700
From: "Joel Roberts" <Joel.Roberts@pinkardcc.com>
To: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>,
	<debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: RE: Syslog Server on Debian Etch
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Syslog was working fine on the clients, I had it installed to a diff
linux server and was trying to move it over. The issue was the location
of the sysklogd file. The walkthough I found told me to modify the
/etc/init.d/sysklogd file, when it should have been the
/etc/default/syslogd file.=20

The syslog service is now running, listening on the correct port, and
receiving messages from the Juniper firewall, but it's going to the
/var/log/syslog file instead of the file I've indicated for the
filename, /mnt/hdb1/syslog/logfilename.log

Is anyone else monitoring Juniper Netscreen firewalls? Is there
something other than local7.debug I should be using to send it to the
logfile I want?

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas A. Tutty [mailto:dtutty@porchlight.ca]=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 8:17 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Syslog Server on Debian Etch

On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 08:05:39AM -0700, Joel Roberts wrote:

> I'm trying to configure a syslog server on Debian Etch, but so far the
> only walkthrough I've found is for Debian Sarge. The walkthrough says

to

> modify the /etc/init.d/sysklogd file at the line that says: =

SYSLOGD=3D""

> and change it to SYSLOGD=3D"-r -m0"
>=20
> There is no such line in the sysklogd file. I added it, but it doesn't
> seem to be logging. Have stopped and restarted the service, rebooted

the

> server and still my log file is at 0 bytes.
>=20
> In the /etc/syslog.conf, I added the line:
>=20
> Local7.debug    /mnt/hdb1/syslog/logfilename.log
>=20
> And it did automatically create the file, but nothing's going into it
> from either the Netscreen firewall or the test Windows server. And I
> don't see anything listening on port 514 with a netstat.
>=20
> Anyone know a way to jumpstart it to get it running? Thanks in

advance.

>=20



On the sending machine, you put something like:

*.* 	@logger.my.domain

On the receiving hosts, syslogd needs the -r parameter.

This is placed in /etc/default/syslogd

You'll also have to open the appropriate port in any firewall (both on
the reciving and sending boxes).

Then I'd reboot all systems; the logger server first, followed by the
logger clients.

Doug.


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Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:00:33 +0200
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?
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On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 01:15:18PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:

> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
> add missing categories:
>=20
> audio editor:
> *=20
>=20
>=20
> audio player:
> * moc
>=20
> cd-ripper:
> * jack (the ripper not the audio server)
>=20
> desktop OR window manager:
> * XFCE
>=20
> DBMS:
> *
>=20
> development:
> *
>=20
> disc burner:
> * k3b
>=20
> e-mail client:
> * mutt
>=20
> file manager:
> * mc
>=20
> finance:
> *
>=20
> ftp client:
> *
>=20
> image editor:
> *
>=20
> image viewer:
> *
>=20
> instant messenger:
> * pidgin
>=20
> mathematics:
> *
>=20
> misc utilities:
> * screen
>=20
> news:
> *
>=20
> p2p:
> * ktorrent
>=20
> package manager:
> * aptitude
>=20
> pdf-reader:
> *
>=20
> spreadsheet:
> * gnumeric
>=20
> tag editor:
> *
>=20
> terminal emulator:
> * mlterm
>=20
> text editor:
> * vim
>=20
> video player:
> * mplayer/vlc
>=20
> web browser:
> *=20
>=20
> word-processor:
> * abiword/lyx
>=20
> anything unreleased and anticipated:
> *
>=20
> anything deserving great honours (EG. GCC):
> * Debian, wine
>=20
> games:
> * fortune
>=20
> non-free:
> * opera, acroread


irc client:
* pidgin

Regards,
Andrei
--=20
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)

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Do you need more help?X

Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 12:30:01 -0500
From: Allan Wind <allan_wind@lifeintegrity.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Programmers Text Editor
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On 2007-11-06T12:53:53+0200, Micha Feigin wrote:

> My problem is that half the time i hit f1 instead and go into help ending up
> saving some change or other to the help file or something else, not sure what
> and go into record mode, not to mansion that pasting always gives me crazy
> indentations.


The normal PC keyboards do put escape far away, and close to the F1.  If 
it really bothers you then a Happy Hacking Keyboard will make big 
positive difference for you.

F1 pulls up help with vim here and does nothing else.  Have you 
considered remapping F1 to Esc?  I have not looked into it, but I am 
sure it is possible.  q + something starts recording (of macro), and you 
stop that by pressing q.

Not trying to change your mind or anything about vi vs. emacs, but it 
seemed like you might be interested in the information.


/Allan

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