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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2761

Today's Topics: 

  Re: Apache2 Dying                     [ Andrew Sackville-West  ]
  RE: what's your favourite FLOSS?      [ "Keith O'Brien"  ]
  Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?      [ Tyler Smith 

Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:56:43 -0800


From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Apache2 Dying


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On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 06:16:11AM -0800, Raquel wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:04:26 +1000
> "Adrian Levi" <adrian.levi@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20

> > On 07/11/2007, Raquel <raquel@thericehouse.net> wrote:
> > > I give up.  I've spent all day, and part of yesterday, googling
> > > and haven't been able to fix a thing.
> >=20
> > Are you able to run memtest86+ on the box, every time I have had
> > weird problems with daemons dying it has been due to flaky ram.
> >=20
> > Might be worth ruling out.
> >=20

> > Adrian
> >=20
>=20


> Do I just install that from the repository and run it in a tty?

>=20


Do you need help?X

yes and no. to run it you must add it to grub's menu.lst (maybe this
is done automatically? There is an option in menu.lst for it
anyway. And reboot into memtest and then be prepared to wait...



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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:44:59 +0200


From: "Tshepang Lekhonkhobe" <tshepang@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

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On Nov 7, 2007 4:32 AM, Douglas A. Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca> wrote:

> > web browser:
> lynx, konqueror, + iceweasel (in i386 chroot for flash, javascript, plus
> a couple of sites that won't work on konq).
Can we help you?X

This makes me curious why i386 chroot?


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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:52:06 -0500
From: Steve Kleene <skdeb@syrano.acb.uc.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: mysterious loss of internet connection
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:49:10 -0500, I wrote:

> My Etch machine at home is connected to a DSL service via a Netgear hub
> (router) at home.  Sometime in the last two days, the machine lost its
> network connection to the outside world.  It seems to be a software problem.
> ...
> I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to continue chasing this down.


On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:07:44 +0100 (CET), Sergio Perticone replied:


> Is /etc/resolv.conf okay? You could try to add to it:

>

> nameserver 192.168.0.1


Thanks, but I did check that and it had just the line you suggested.  I'll
check out the other suggestions I received when I get home tonight.



Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:56:32 +0200
From: "Tshepang Lekhonkhobe" <tshepang@gmail.com>
To: "Emre Sevinc" <emres@bilgi.edu.tr>
Cc: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?
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On Nov 7, 2007 10:19 AM, Emre Sevinc <emres@bilgi.edu.tr> wrote:

> anything deserving great honours (EG. GCC):
> gcc, tex, latex


Should I suppose that TeX and LaTeX is about the same thing?

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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:15:28 -0800
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?
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On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 06:08:04PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:

> On Nov 7, 2007 5:54 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
> <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 04:59:53PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> > > On Nov 6, 2007 8:53 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
> > > <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:
> > > > emacs (comes with a free operating system)
> > >
> > > Me don't understand.
> >
> > charlie already answered this better than I could.
> >
> > >
> > > > killer app:
> > > > screen -x
> > > >
> > > > killer app enabler:
> > > > ssh
> > >
> > > Interesting categories, but would it not be appropriate to put these
> > > two in "anything deserving great honours".
> >
> > okay fine, put it under there, but I'm disappointed that you won't
> > make extra categories just for me!! ;-)


I was jsut kidding there...

>=20

> I like the categories anyways, for they are so unique, and me hopes
> some will list some of their favourites under that, and if not it will
> have to go to the cateogry of the truly honourable. (side note)
> Someone in the past mentioned Meld as the killer app of Linux-based
> systems IE. it prompted such a user to move from something else,
> perhaps Windows.


actually for me that was gnucash. I was staring down the barrel of yet
another Quickbooks forced upgrade while watching it make calculation
errors in my payrolls. I found gnucash while oking around in a knoppix
cd and although it wasn't a complete replacement for quickbooks, it
was enough. I've never run windows since except when I have to get
historical data from that locked up quickbooks install.=20

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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:00:27 -0500
From: Steve Kleene <skdeb@syrano.acb.uc.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: mysterious loss of internet connection
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:49:10 -0500, I wrote:

> My Etch machine at home is connected to a DSL service via a Netgear hub
> (router) at home.  Sometime in the last two days, the machine lost its
> network connection to the outside world.  It seems to be a software problem.
> ...
> I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to continue chasing this down.


On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:04:53 -0500, Douglas A. Tutty replied:

> Are you pinging by IP or DNS name?  Try by IP to remove the possibility
> of a DNS problem.  From a box that does work, ping debian.org and get
> the IP.  Then from the problem box, ping that IP and see if it goes
> through.  If it does, then its a DNS problem.


I tried both IP address and FQDN (name) and couldn't get to either.  I will
try pinging debian.org, which resolves to 192.25.206.10 where I am now.  (I
can't get a response from there from my work PC at the moment, but I think my
university firewall may block all outside ping packets.  Ping has worked from
home until the new problem.)

Thanks.



Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:02:59 +0200
From: "Tshepang Lekhonkhobe" <tshepang@gmail.com>
To: "charlie derr" <cderr@simons-rock.edu>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?
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On Nov 7, 2007 5:13 PM, charlie derr <cderr@simons-rock.edu> wrote:

> Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 2007 8:53 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
> > <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:
> >> emacs (comes with a free operating system)
> >
> > Me don't understand.
> >

>

> The long-standing joke is that emacs is a great editor, but a mediocre operating system.  Most often pitted against its arch-rival
> vi in religious wars, emacs is (in that context) somewhat "bloated" according to its detractors.  The fact that one can do email,
> webbrowsing, and work in a command-line environment simultaneously (all of that and much more without ever leaving emacs) is what
> has given rise to this mythos.


That makes me want to try out the mighty and legendary Emacs, the
poster child of the GNU project.

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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:19:17 +0200
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: ssh port not opening
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On Tue, Nov 06, 2007 at 06:26:46PM -0500, Vikki Roemer wrote:
=20

> I'm running Etch, and when I did apt-get install ssh it just installed
> the ssh client.  I had to install the server separately.


$ apt-cache depends ssh
ssh
  Depends: openssh-client
  Depends: openssh-server

If you only got openssh-client then there was some problem. Can you=20
reproduce that?

Regards,
Andrei
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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:08:04 +0200
From: "Tshepang Lekhonkhobe" <tshepang@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?
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On Nov 7, 2007 5:54 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
<andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 04:59:53PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> > On Nov 6, 2007 8:53 PM, Andrew Sackville-West
> > <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:
> > > emacs (comes with a free operating system)
> >
> > Me don't understand.

>

> charlie already answered this better than I could.

>

> >
> > > killer app:
> > > screen -x
> > >
> > > killer app enabler:
> > > ssh
> >
> > Interesting categories, but would it not be appropriate to put these
> > two in "anything deserving great honours".

>

> okay fine, put it under there, but I'm disappointed that you won't
> make extra categories just for me!! ;-)


I like the categories anyways, for they are so unique, and me hopes
some will list some of their favourites under that, and if not it will
have to go to the cateogry of the truly honourable. (side note)
Someone in the past mentioned Meld as the killer app of Linux-based
systems IE. it prompted such a user to move from something else,
perhaps Windows.
>

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Can't find what you're looking for?X

Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:54:19 +0900
From: Osamu Aoki <osamu@debian.org>
To: Christian Jaeger <christian@jaeger.mine.nu>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: User-provided post-install script?
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On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 12:50:30PM +0100, Christian Jaeger wrote:

> Hello

>

> (I haven't found an answer to this in the FAQ and Debian documentation or 
> elsewhere (I did only look for two hours, though; maybe I haven't found the 
> right place for advanced Debian documentation yet?).)

>

> Is there a way for me to set up a script/hook locally for a particular 
> package so that when that package is being upgraded (e.g. through security 
> upgrades), that script/hook is being run automatically after the 
> installation?

>

> The reason I'm asking is (this time) that the file 
> /usr/lib/perl/5.8.8/Encode/Unicode/UTF7.pm (in package "perl") has a bug (a 
> needless warning that hurts me). Since I needed a fix quickly and didn't 
> assume that it would be fixed in Debian stable anyway I just fixed it 
> locally. Of course after an upgrade the issue returns. Similar situations 
> have occurred repeatedly, so I'm looking for a general solution. (I'm not 
> [yet?] looking for a way to automatically refetch source packages and patch 
> and rebuild them instead of installing the binary package for the case 
> where the sources of a compiled program need to be patched, albeit that 
> would be interesting as well.)


I never did this.  So please research using the following as hints.

dpkg-divert(8) seems to be the answer for your case.  (But this is not
meant for general user but meant for maintanance script).  As I
understand, removing divert etc has some pitfalls if you are as good as
me.

Another one is dpkg called from apt has hooks. APT.CONF(5)

There, you may to smart things.

Read tha manpages :-)

Osamu



Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:02:03 -0500
From: "Keith O'Brien" <keith.obrien@rga.com>
To: "Tshepang Lekhonkhobe" <tshepang@gmail.com>
Cc: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: RE: what's your favourite FLOSS?
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Subject: Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?

On Nov 6, 2007 11:27 PM, Keith O'Brien <keith.obrien@rga.com> wrote:

> >--} word-processor:
>  * Vim/OOo


Do you regard Vim a word processor, or is there something more?

It falls short of a modern Word-Processor, but it does everything I need
most of the time. According to wikipedia vi does not cut the mustered as
a word-processor. =20


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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 19:10:22 +0200
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Why kernel 2.6.23 does not appear in sid packages?
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On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 02:31:11AM +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote:

> Hi.

>=20

> Magicloud Magiclouds, 07.11.2007 02:18:
> >    It has been a long time....
> >    Also, I think sid's packages update little these days. Does this mean
> > a new stable?

>=20

> Being a Sid user you should be subscribed to debian-devel-announce:

>=20

> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/11/msg00001.html

=20
The problem seems to be solved (at least I got upgrades).

Regards,
Andrei
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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:09:11 -0800 (PST)
From: joseph lockhart <jwl_andlovesaidno@yahoo.com>
To: Steve Kleene <skdeb@syrano.acb.uc.edu>,
	debian-user@lists.debian.org
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--- Steve Kleene <skdeb@syrano.acb.uc.edu> wrote:


> My Etch machine at home is connected to a DSL
> service via a Netgear hub
> (router) at home.  Sometime in the last two days,
> the machine lost its
> network connection to the outside world.  It seems
> to be a software problem.
> It had been fine since I built it in January.

>=20

> Here's what I know:

>=20

> 1. If I boot from the XP partition, I have full
> internet service anywhere I
>    try.  So the hardware seems OK.  There is only
> one NIC.
> 2. Running Etch, I can ping the router (192.168.0.1)
> and check its software
>    configuration in iceweasel.  The router
> configuration is the same as it's
>    always been.  It shows that the router has
> received an IP address
>    (10.something) from the ISP.
> 3. I cannot ping or otherwise reach any site past
> the router by name or by IP
>    address.  If I try, it times out.
> 4. Rebooting doesn't help.
> 5. The output of "ifconfig -a" looks normal.  It
> shows eth0 on 192.168.0.4,
>    UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST.  I can post the
> whole output if necessary.
> 6. I haven't done any upgrades with apt since five
> days ago, which is clearly
>    before the problem started.
> 7. Nothing jumps out at me from dmesg or
> /var/log/messages.
> 8. I found the iceweasel cache files from my last
> successful browsing.  Then
>    I used find to list every file on the system that
> had been modified since
>    then.  Again, I didn't recognize anything scary.

>=20

> I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to continue
> chasing this down.  It may
> go slowly, since the problem is at home but my only
> connection now is at
> work.

>=20

> Thanks.

>=20
>=20
i had a similar problem here, i run my internet
through a cable connection, and had mysteriously lost
the ability to connect to the internet. Probably a
completely diffrent cause but i would check dbus i
have found that it wants to shut itself off and
ignores me everytime that i tell it to start running
on startup (which i have set the last several times
that i have booted up)


anyway hope that helps,=20

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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:40:16 +0000 (UTC)
From: Tyler Smith <tyler.smith@mail.mcgill.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?
Message-ID:  <slrnfj3u3v.7hh.tyler.smith@blackbart.mynetwork>

On 2007-11-07, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <tshepang@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 7, 2007 10:19 AM, Emre Sevinc <emres@bilgi.edu.tr> wrote:

>> anything deserving great honours (EG. GCC):
>> gcc, tex, latex
>

> Should I suppose that TeX and LaTeX is about the same thing?

>

More or less. LaTeX is a (large) set of extensions to the basic TeX
language.

Tyler



Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:44:12 -0800
From: Raquel <raquel@thericehouse.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Apache2 Dying
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:04:26 +1000
"Adrian Levi" <adrian.levi@gmail.com> wrote:


> On 07/11/2007, Raquel <raquel@thericehouse.net> wrote:
> > I give up.  I've spent all day, and part of yesterday, googling
> > and haven't been able to fix a thing.
> 
> Are you able to run memtest86+ on the box, every time I have had
> weird problems with daemons dying it has been due to flaky ram.
> 
> Might be worth ruling out.
> 
> Adrian
> 


Thank you, everone, for your help ... so far.  I'm running
memtest86+ on the machine right now and, so far, everything's okay. 
I'll let you know what I find.

How long should I let it run?

In a way I hope that a bad chip is the problem.  This is a brand new
Etch install on a brand new (to me) server.

-- 
Raquel
============================================================
I am for freedom of religion, & against all maneuvres to bring about
a legal ascendancy of one sect over another.
  --Thomas Jefferson



Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:58:44 +0000 (UTC)
From: Tyler Smith <tyler.smith@mail.mcgill.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?
Message-ID:  <slrnfj3v6j.7hh.tyler.smith@blackbart.mynetwork>

On 2007-11-06, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <tshepang@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
> add missing categories:

>

> audio player:
> *

amarok


> cd-ripper:
> *

cdparanoia


> desktop OR window manager:
> *

fluxbox


> development:
> *

emacs, gcc, bash, make

>

> disc burner:
> *

k3b

>

> e-mail client:
> *

mutt

>

> file manager:
> *

bash/mv/cp/rm/mkdir


> image editor:
> *

inkscape, gimp


> image viewer:
> *

image magic


> mathematics:
> *

R (with Emacs and ESS)


> misc utilities:
> *

svn

>

> news:
> *

slrn

>

> package manager:
> *

aptitude


> pdf-reader:
> *

xpdf

>

> spreadsheet:
> *

R, Emacs


> tag editor:
> *

etags (or is there some other kind of tag?)

>

> terminal emulator:
> *

xterm


> text editor:
> *

emacs


> video player:
> *

gxine

>

> web browser:
> *

iceweasel, w3m


> word-processor:
> *

Emacs + LaTeX


> anything deserving great honours (EG. GCC):
> *

Emacs, R, GRASS


> non-free:
> *

Crossover Office, Paup



Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:34:52 -0700
From: Robert Jerrard <rjerrard@math.concordia.ab.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?
Message-Id: <1194460492.26995.12.camel@localhost>
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

On 2007-11-06, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <tshepang@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
> add missing categories:

>

> audio player:
> *

gnome-cd


> cd-ripper:
> *

grip


> desktop OR window manager:
> *

metacity


> development:
> *

emacs, gcc, bash, make

>

> e-mail client:
> *

evolution

>

> file manager:
> *

nautilus


> image editor:
> *

gimp


> image viewer:
> *

gthumb


> mathematics:
> *

maxima + texmacs as front-end

>

> package manager:
> *

aptitude, apt-get


> pdf-reader:
> *

evince, xpdf

>

> spreadsheet:
> *

gnumeric

>

> terminal emulator:
> *

gnome-terminal


> text editor:
> *

emacs


> video player:
> *

xmms

>

> web browser:
> *

iceweasel


> word-processor:
> *

emacs + LaTeX


> word-processor with graphs:
> *

emacs + LaTeX + metapost + metagraph


> presentations:
> *

emacs + LaTeX + metapost + metagraph + powerdot


-- 
Dr. Robert J. Jerrard, Professor of Mathematics,
Concordia University College of Alberta,
7128 Ada Blvd., Edmonton, Alberta, T5B 4E4, Canada.
Phone: (780) 479-9291, Fax: (780) 474-1933.

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