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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2763

Today's Topics: 

  Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?      [ Charlie  ]
  Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?      [ Nate Duehr  ]
  Re: fglrx upgrade to 8.42.3           [ Davide Mancusi  ]
  Re: docx files                        [ Ron Johnson  ]
  Re: docx files                        [ Thierry Chatelet  ]
  Re: Wine + Diablo II LOD + 3D on nvi  [ Rob Bochan  ]
  Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?      [ Nate Duehr  ]
  Re: docx files                        [ Ron Johnson  ]
  Re: docx files                        [ Thierry Chatelet  ]
  Re: fglrx upgrade to 8.42.3           [ Davide Mancusi  ]
  xen on lenny stock                    [ "Stephen Carpenter, KSC" 
  Where to find driver for new HP prin  [ Rick Thomas <rbthomas@cs.rutgers.ed ]



Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 09:00:27 +1100


From: Charlie <ariestao@clearmail.com.au>
To: "Tshepang Lekhonkhobe" <tshepang@gmail.com>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?
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On Thu, 8 Nov 2007, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe shared this with us all:

>--} On Nov 6, 2007 11:18 PM, Charlie  wrote:
>--} > >--} mathematics:
>--}
>--} How does this work? Is it a mistake?
>--}
>--} >  * Lyx
>--} > >--}
>--} > >--} misc utilities:
>--} >  * Dia, VYM, K9copy, CDcat, Gkrellm, Kerry Beagle, Quanta, Unclutter,


> probably --}
>--} probably? Where does one get that?
>--}
>--}


Sorry...... misinterpretation on my part...... thought it meant mathematical 
formulas



[hangs head in shame] :-(


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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 15:16:51 -0700
From: Nate Duehr <nate@natetech.com>
To: debian-user list <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?
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On Nov 7, 2007, at 2:24 PM, John Masters wrote:


> On 13:15 Tue 06 Nov     , Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:

>> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
>> add missing categories:
>>
>>

> <big big snip>

>

> Sorry but here's where I unsubscribe for a couple of months while the
> same stuff is rehashed as it was a few months ago. Does this totally
> unscientific poll have any real use? Apart that is from reigniting the
> antediluvian arguments like mutt v emacs, bash v korn etc.


Sheesh... sort by thread, delete key.  Not difficult...


> There is a method to gauge the popularity of FLOSS apps built into  
> every
> Debian installation. If you haven't enabled it yet, do so and  
> eliminate
> this totally superfluous 'poll'.


You might have mentioned that it's called "popularity-contest" and can  
be found via your favorite package manager.  :-)

Picture yourself standing in a big room with a hundred people all  
having different conversations... imaging yelling at the top of your  
lungs "I'm tired of hearing that group over there talking about that!  
I'M LEAVING!"

Think anyone would, a) care?, b) not think you were insane?

That's pretty much the equivalent of what most "I'm leaving the list"  
messages amount to.  No one cares, we all just shake our heads and  
say, "There goes a very troubled person."

--
Nate Duehr
nate@natetech.com



Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:35:35 +0100
From: Davide Mancusi <arekfu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: fglrx upgrade to 8.42.3
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Chris Bannister ha scritto:

> On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:51:33AM +0100, Jonathan Kaye wrote:

>> You will have to stop the x-server and then restart it. In fact I had to
>> reboot (aaargggghhh) in order for the module to install correctly. Try

> 
> Instead of having to reboot, you might get away with just a
> dpkg-reconfigure <your-kernel-package>
> 


	No, you need to reboot because you recompile the kernel module. Still, 
there might a way to avoid this but a simple dpkg-reconfigure won't help.

Davide

-- 
A tautology is a thing which is tautological.
--
Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit flies like a banana.



Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:50:39 -0600
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: docx files
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On 11/07/07 15:14, Thierry Chatelet wrote:

> Hi,
> I received a file.docx made with office 2007
> Is there any easy way to read it?


I think that SUSE has a closed-source plugin for OOo.

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

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Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:01:13 +0100
From: Thierry Chatelet <tchatelet@free.fr>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: docx files
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> > Hi,
> > I received a file.docx made with office 2007
> > Is there any easy way to read it?

>

> I think that SUSE has a closed-source plugin for OOo.

>

Hummm, excuse my ignorence, what do you mean by closed-source ?



Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:03:10 +0000
From: John Masters <johnmasters@oxtedonline.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?
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On 15:16 Wed 07 Nov     , Nate Duehr wrote:
>

> On Nov 7, 2007, at 2:24 PM, John Masters wrote:

>
>> On 13:15 Tue 06 Nov     , Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
>>> Here's a template where you can fill in your favourites; feel free to
>>> add missing categories:
>>>
>>>
>> <big big snip>
>>
>> Sorry but here's where I unsubscribe for a couple of months while the
>> same stuff is rehashed as it was a few months ago. Does this totally
>> unscientific poll have any real use? Apart that is from reigniting the
>> antediluvian arguments like mutt v emacs, bash v korn etc.
>

> Sheesh... sort by thread, delete key.  Not difficult...

>
Not the point. Why rehash stuff that has been over and over.

>> There is a method to gauge the popularity of FLOSS apps built into every
>> Debian installation. If you haven't enabled it yet, do so and eliminate
>> this totally superfluous 'poll'.
>

> You might have mentioned that it's called "popularity-contest" and can be 
> found via your favorite package manager.  :-)

>
I thought everybody would know what it is called seeing as it is offered
as an option on install.


> Picture yourself standing in a big room with a hundred people all having 
> different conversations... imaging yelling at the top of your lungs "I'm 
> tired of hearing that group over there talking about that! I'M LEAVING!"

>

> Think anyone would, a) care?, b) not think you were insane?

>

> That's pretty much the equivalent of what most "I'm leaving the list" 
> messages amount to.  No one cares, we all just shake our heads and say, 
> "There goes a very troubled person."

>

Do not presume to psychoanalyse me. I see the Debian Users list as an
invaluable source of information and advice, to which I attempt in my
own small way to contribute. Posts requesting opinions as to which is
the best software/hardware/distro inevitably invite flame wars which
fill my inbox with dross.

-- 
Regards, John



Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:16:13 +0000
From: MRH <misiek_spam@o2.pl>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Wine + Diablo II LOD + 3D on nvidia = white screen?
Message-ID: <4732473D.3070005@o2.pl>
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I don't play games much, but sometimes it'd be nice to be able to.
I have a problem with Diablo II Lord of Destruction (expansion pack) 
game. It works fine in DirectDraw 2D mode but is not so 'shiny', it 
looks much better in Direct3D. When I set it up to run in 3D HAL mode it 
starts OK, but then after intro the whole screen goes white. When it's 
run in window I can quit but if it's full screen mode nautilus hangs and 
my desktop is all blank - have to manually delete metacity saved session 
files. Moreover, in windowed run it seems to be changing the whole 
colour palette - all windows colours are very pale.

I use Debian Sid on AMD64, nvidia drivers (proprietary - to get 3D 
working), Gnome.
I looked at winehq, but the game is described as working. Any hints?

Not sure if it helps, but on exit it returns the following errors (cut 
to the relevant part I think):

===========================
fixme:win:EnumDisplayDevicesW ((null),0,0x817784,0x00000000), stub!
fixme:d3d:IWineD3DDeviceImpl_GetAvailableTextureMem (0x14b658) : stub, 
simulating 64MB for now, returning 64MB left
fixme:ddraw:IDirectDrawImpl_SetCooperativeLevel 
(0x14a0f8)->(0x30024,00000411)
fixme:x11drv:X11DRV_desktop_SetCurrentMode Cannot change screen BPP from 
32 to 16
fixme:ddraw:IDirectDrawImpl_SetCooperativeLevel 
(0x14a0f8)->(0x30024,00000411)
fixme:x11drv:X11DRV_desktop_SetCurrentMode Cannot change screen BPP from 
32 to 16
err:ddraw:IDirectDrawSurfaceImpl_Flip Can't find a flip target
err:ddraw:IDirectDrawSurfaceImpl_Flip Can't find a flip target
fixme:ddraw:IDirectDrawImpl_SetCooperativeLevel 
(0x14a0f8)->(0x30024,00000411)
fixme:x11drv:X11DRV_desktop_SetCurrentMode Cannot change screen BPP from 
32 to 16
fixme:ddraw:IDirectDrawImpl_SetCooperativeLevel (0x14a0f8)->((nil),00000008)
===========================

Kind regards,
Michal R. Hoffmann



Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:19:58 -0500
From: Rob Bochan <robslaptop@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Wine + Diablo II LOD + 3D on nvidia = white screen?
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On Wednesday 07 November 2007 06:16:13 pm MRH wrote:

> I don't play games much, but sometimes it'd be nice to be able to.
> I have a problem with Diablo II Lord of Destruction (expansion pack)
> game. It works fine in DirectDraw 2D mode but is not so 'shiny', it
> looks much better in Direct3D. When I set it up to run in 3D HAL mode it
> starts OK, but then after intro the whole screen goes white. When it's
> run in window I can quit but if it's full screen mode nautilus hangs and
> my desktop is all blank - have to manually delete metacity saved session
> files. Moreover, in windowed run it seems to be changing the whole
> colour palette - all windows colours are very pale.

>

> I use Debian Sid on AMD64, nvidia drivers (proprietary - to get 3D
> working), Gnome.
> I looked at winehq, but the game is described as working. Any hints?

>

> Not sure if it helps, but on exit it returns the following errors (cut
> to the relevant part I think):

>...

> fixme:x11drv:X11DRV_desktop_SetCurrentMode Cannot change screen BPP from
> 32 to 16
> ...


That line sounds like where the problem lies. You might consider running in 16 
bit color as opposed to 32 bit.

...Rob

-- 
Some people type so fast that they forget to include



Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:29:12 -0700
From: Nate Duehr <nate@natetech.com>
To: debian-user list <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: what's your favourite FLOSS?
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On Nov 7, 2007, at 4:03 PM, John Masters wrote:

>> That's pretty much the equivalent of what most "I'm leaving the list"
>> messages amount to.  No one cares, we all just shake our heads and  
>> say,
>> "There goes a very troubled person."
>>
>

> Do not presume to psychoanalyse me. I see the Debian Users list as an
> invaluable source of information and advice, to which I attempt in my
> own small way to contribute. Posts requesting opinions as to which is
> the best software/hardware/distro inevitably invite flame wars which
> fill my inbox with dross.


I didn't psychoanalyze you -- I told you what people think of such  
behavior in public.  I leave psychoanalysis to the pros.  :-)

As far as your comments about posts requesting opinions as to which is  
the best software to use for a particular purpose -- you're absolutely  
right -- they always lead to dumb arguments and the same old flamefests.

My point to you is that no matter how hard you try (or voice your  
opinion that you don't like it) -- those stupid arguments will  
continue to happen.  Example:  If you can find an example of a Unix  
list where the tired old vi vs emacs thread HASN'T happened, I'd be  
impressed.

What point is there in fighting it?  It's just tilting after windmills  
to try to stop flamefests on a non-moderated mailing list.  It's far  
easier to just delete the thread and move on.  :-)

Standard Unix flamefests:  S/N ratio of lists drops by some measurable  
amount.  Complaints about flamefests, S/N ratio drops by a further  
amount.

(Me being dumb enough to reply to you and try to explain it... S/N  
ratio of list drops even further.  GRIN...)

It's a never-ending flamefest/complaint/explanation that flamfests  
won't go away/new flamefest cycle.   Almost as natural as the Sun  
rising and setting.

I find the complaints about the flamefests to also be "dross" in my  
inbox, see?  And I was dumb enough to point it out... which you  
replied by saying you didn't like people psychoanalyzing you?  Heh.

Quite the useless thread now... sorry, I'm done.  I fell into the same  
trap you did... complaining about something neither one of us can  
change.

--
Nate Duehr
nate@natetech.com


Can we help you?X

Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:29:08 -0600
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: docx files
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On 11/07/07 17:01, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I received a file.docx made with office 2007
>>> Is there any easy way to read it?
>> I think that SUSE has a closed-source plugin for OOo.
>>

> 
> Hummm, excuse my ignorence, what do you mean by closed-source ?


Opposite of open source?

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

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Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:38:22 +0100
From: Thierry Chatelet <tchatelet@free.fr>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
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On Thursday 08 November 2007 00:29, Ron Johnson wrote:

> On 11/07/07 17:01, Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> I received a file.docx made with office 2007
> >>> Is there any easy way to read it?
> >>
> >> I think that SUSE has a closed-source plugin for OOo.
> >
> > Hummm, excuse my ignorence, what do you mean by closed-source ?

>

> Opposite of open source?

>

> --
> Ron Johnson, Jr.
> Jefferson LA  USA

>

Ok, still that stupid (on my part) problem between free and open.
Harrr, maybe one day I will become better!!!
thanks for the answer
Thierry



Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:45:56 -0500
From: Sarunas Burdulis <sarunas@math.dartmouth.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: fglrx upgrade to 8.42.3
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Davide Mancusi wrote:

> Chris Bannister ha scritto:

>> On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 10:51:33AM +0100, Jonathan Kaye wrote:
>>> You will have to stop the x-server and then restart it. In fact I had to
>>> reboot (aaargggghhh) in order for the module to install correctly. Try
>>
>> Instead of having to reboot, you might get away with just a
>> dpkg-reconfigure <your-kernel-package>
>>

> 
>     No, you need to reboot because you recompile the kernel module.

Shouldn't

# modprobe -r <module>
# modprobe <module>

suffice instead of reboot?


> Still, there might a way to avoid this but a simple dpkg-reconfigure
> won't help.


Module unload/load can be a part of package configuration perhaps?
Postinst script in .deb?

Sarunas

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Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 23:59:44 +0000
From: MRH <misiek_spam@o2.pl>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Wine + Diablo II LOD + 3D on nvidia = white screen?
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Dnia 07/11/07 23:19,Rob Bochan napisa=B3:

> On Wednesday 07 November 2007 06:16:13 pm MRH wrote:

>> I don't play games much, but sometimes it'd be nice to be able to.
>> I have a problem with Diablo II Lord of Destruction (expansion pack)
>> game. It works fine in DirectDraw 2D mode but is not so 'shiny', it
>> looks much better in Direct3D. When I set it up to run in 3D HAL mode =
it
>> starts OK, but then after intro the whole screen goes white. When it's
>> run in window I can quit but if it's full screen mode nautilus hangs a=
nd
>> my desktop is all blank - have to manually delete metacity saved sessi=
on
>> files. Moreover, in windowed run it seems to be changing the whole
>> colour palette - all windows colours are very pale.
>>
>> I use Debian Sid on AMD64, nvidia drivers (proprietary - to get 3D
>> working), Gnome.
>> I looked at winehq, but the game is described as working. Any hints?
>>
>> Not sure if it helps, but on exit it returns the following errors (cut
>> to the relevant part I think):
>>...
>> fixme:x11drv:X11DRV_desktop_SetCurrentMode Cannot change screen BPP fr=
om
>> 32 to 16
>> ...
>=20

> That line sounds like where the problem lies. You might consider runnin=

g in 16=20

> bit color as opposed to 32 bit.

>=20

> ...Rob


This is what I thought, but what should I change? Something in Wine=20
config or XOrg? I tried to change xorg.conf
DefaultDepth 16
in Screen section, but it didn't help. Well, I don't understand where it=20
takes the 32 bit value from, while it's 24 by default...

Michal



Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 01:08:14 +0100
From: Davide Mancusi <arekfu@gmail.com>
To: Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: fglrx upgrade to 8.42.3
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Sarunas Burdulis ha scritto:
>>     No, you need to reboot because you recompile the kernel module.

> Shouldn't
> 
> # modprobe -r <module>
> # modprobe <module>
> 
> suffice instead of reboot?


	Errr, yes. I suppose it should. *hides in a corner*. So the right 
sequence for me would be
# /etc/init.d/kdm stop
# modprobe -r fglrx
# modprobe fglrx
# /etc/init.d/kdm start
Will try that next time.

Davide

-- 
A tautology is a thing which is tautological.
--
Time flies like an arrow.  Fruit flies like a banana.



Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:58:07 -0500
From: "Stephen Carpenter, KSC" <sjc@carpanet.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: xen on lenny stock
Message-ID: <20071107235807.GA22229@carpanet.net>
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Hey All,

Long time no email. Please cc me on replies, as I can't keep up with
this list and no longer subscribe.

SO I got some new hardware... to wit:
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R
Drives: 4 250 GB SATA

Anyway, Etch worked, right up until boot time came. Every single
time I tried, I got dumped into a grubsh on boot and just got nowhere.

So I moved to testing...lo and behold it worked.

SO I am building my very minimal system up (I even unchecked "standard
system" on install to keep my dom0 lean)

Some packages I have installed:
ii  libc6-xen      2.6.1-1+b1
ii  xen-hypervisor 3.1.1-1
ii  xen-tools      3.8-4
ii  xen-utils-3.1- 3.1.1-1
ii  xen-utils-comm 3.1.0-1
ii  linux-image-2. 2.6.22-4 
~# xm list
WARING!  Can't find hypervisor information in sysfs!
Error: Unable to connect to xend: No such file or directory. Is xend
running?
# xend
WARING!  Can't find hypervisor information in sysfs!
ERROR Internal error: Could not obtain handle on privileged command
interface (2 = No such file or directory)
Traceback (most recent call last):
(snipped traceback)

I found many copies all over the web of a post that describes this issue
and a solution:
http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11088

Except....
# dmesg |grep para
Booting paravirtualized kernel on bare hardware

... and the changelog for the kernel says:
  * Update xen patch to changeset 48670 from fedora 2.6.20 branch.
  * Support xen versions 3.0.4-1 and 3.0.3-1.

So.... am I reading this right that the linux-image currently in testing
does NOT support the version of xen in testing? Is there an easy
solution here? I don't really care hat version of xen I run so much as
that I want it to run and I do NOT want to be in the custome kernel
game.

-Steve
-- 
"Mankind, 
 The Public enemy's not the man who speaks his mind 
 The Public enemy's the man who goes and acts blind"
                 -- Anthrax "Keep it in the Fammily"



Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 19:09:26 -0500
From: Rick Thomas <rbthomas@cs.rutgers.edu>
To: debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Where to find driver for new HP printer (Color LaserJet 2605dn)
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The immediate problem is for Sarge, but I expect I'll also discover  
that Etch and Lenny don't have drivers for this one either, since  
it's fairly new.

So here's the question:

I just got a new HP color LaserJet 2605dn printer.  The CUPS setup  
doesn't seem to have a driver for it.
Does anybody have an idea where to get appropriate driver software (I  
*think* it's just a PPD file, but I don't know for sure) and once  
I've got it, how to install it?

Thanks in advance!

Rick

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