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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2837

Today's Topics: 

  Re: Multiboot                         [ "Douglas A. Tutty"  ]
  Re: Window Borders Disappear          [ Jack Schneider  ]
  recommended webcam?                   [ Bruno Boettcher  ]
  Re: Laptop Firewalling                [ Klein Moebius  ]
  problem compiling C++                 [ "Lowell Thomas" 

Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:25:41 -0500


From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Multiboot

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On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 09:02:13PM -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 09:56:21AM -0500, "Loeghmon T. Nejad" <loeghmon@gmail.com> was heard to say:
> > I am learning Debian and I was wondering if it possible to install two
> > instances of Debian on the same machine. One as the production
> > workstation for the daily work, and the other for experimentation,
> > testing software, add/remove apps, etc. I can then boot into the
> > partition that I like based on the task at hand. Thanks.
> 
>   If you're running stable, and you don't need any special kernel
> drivers, you might want to take a look at xen for this sort of thing.  I
> had a xen system running here for a while with great success (I ended up
> wanting to run some 3d software, and xen isn't compatible with the
> NVidia drivers, sadly).  Xen is a little tricky to get set up, but it's
> great to not have to reboot the computer to switch systems, and to be
> able to reallocate space without having to resize partitions.
> 

For two instances of the same kernel, why not just use a chroot with
users using schroot -pc ?



Doug.


Do you need help?X

Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:29:47 -0500


From: Paul Cartwright <ale@pcartwright.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: .xsession-errors servicetype
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On Tue November 20 2007, s. keeling wrote:

> Dump kde? =A0Figure out where the installer failed you? =A0Is any of that
> at all interesting in your position? =A0I'd just ignore it and
> concentrate on what I can't do with my apps. =A0Once that's solved, the
> errors should stop. =A0No, those errors are not worrisome to me.

I haven't done anything extra special out of the ordinary, so I was just=20
concerned that I had done something wrong.
I'd dump KDE, but my wife, a die-hard windows user, complains enough alread=
y=20


that things don't work, and she doesn't like change... I used to use an=20
alternat window manager when I ran windows, called Litestep. I've tried=20
gnome, but I got used to the KDE apps, kontact, K3B... what would I want to=
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change to?



=2D-=20


Paul Cartwright


Registered Linux user # 367800


Registered Ubuntu User #12459



Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:32:41 -0500


From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Laptop Firewalling

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On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 01:49:15PM +0700, Klein Moebius wrote:

> Being on the road a lot with my trusted lappy, I'd like to get
> suggestions on the best solution for an iptables based firewall that
> needs to be easily reconfigurable for wireless, ethernet cable, and ppp.
> I should be able to apply rules on the fly using tools such as wireshark
> to identify mac address exclusions, etc, and hopefully would be ipv6
> capable. Any ideas?
Do you need more help?X

You could look at shorewall.  It has a great set of docs in
shorewall-doc.



Your laptop has three potential interfaces: eth(cable), eth(wireless)
and ppp.  Do the two eth end up with different unit numbers? (I've never
used wireless).  From a firewall perspective, does it matter if at any
given time you're using a particular interface?  Assuming that you're
not forwarding, although perhaps the Nat config will change.



You could create a set of config files for each setup and write a script
that copies the correct set to /etc/shorewall then restarts shorewall.
Have the script start when an interface goes up.



Doug.



Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:27:12 -0500


From: Peter Smerdon <psmerdon@magma.ca>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: xorg wont work and wont generate a log
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Can we help you?X

Kent West <westk@acu.edu> writes:


>
> I would start by running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and choosing the=
 SVGA

> driver (even if you have an nVidia or ATI or other card that is
> supported). Then try running "startx". If that doesn't work, try the VGA
> driver.
>
> Both of these options will give you worse video settings than you want to=

 use,

> but perhaps they'll be a start to solving the problem.
>

What ever driver I used gave me the same problem, and last night I
decided life is too short, and re-installed. Everything works now as
expected.


Thank you all for your help though! It was appreciated.



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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:10:50 -0600


From: Jack Schneider <puck@volunteerwireless.net>
To: Daniel Burrows <dburrows@debian.org>,


        debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Window Borders Disappear

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On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 20:59 -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 09:06:59PM -0600, Jack Schneider <puck@volunteerwireless.net> was heard to say:
> > On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 10:26 -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 02:42:09PM +0000, Jack Schneider wrote:
> > > > I have lost my Desktop window borders. I am using Debian "lenny"
> > > > updated. Problem occurred after an abortedattempt to install Compiz..
> > > > I get the following error from theSystem>preferences>windows menu..  "
> > > > Cannot start the preferences application for your window
> > > > manager.Window manager "unknown" has not registered a configuration
> > > > tool..
> > > > 
> > > > Any help would be great...  J ack
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Why don't you try aptitude reinstall metacity? That may work.
> > 
> > Thanks, for the reply...  I did the  # aptitude reinstall metacity thing
> > and regretably no change...
> > 
> > It really makes it painfull to have all windows in upper left corner
> > with no size or position control... What could be plan b???
> 
>   If you can get access to the windows themselves: does running metacity
> from a terminal help?  If that complains that another window manager is
> running, try metacity --replace.  I think you have to save the Gnome
> session after that if it works, but I don't remember what the Gnome
> voodoo for saving a session is.
> 
>   Daniel
> 
> 

Thanks, Daniel, That helps..  I now have window's with borders on
current screen , after running:  sudo metacity --replace.  I get an
error though!!  



[Window manager warning: Failed to load theme "Clearlooks": Failed to
find a valid file for theme Clearlooks]  
and I am not sure this condition will be there at next login....



Re: Andrei's question.. 


" How did you try to install compiz? Please detail your steps, maybe we 
can find a way to revert what has been done."



Since it's been a couple of day's, this is best that I can recall.  



I run a NVIDIA Geforce 8600GT video card.  So There were some howto's on
the (I think) Debian-Compiz wiki. calling for some changes to xorg.conf
under "etch".  I run "lenny" but the same video driver as I did under
"etch", NVIDIA 100.14.19 so  I added the suggested changes...via $ sudo
vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf.


I recall a addtion entry to the "device' section and a new "extensions"
entry... 


then I used " # aptitude install compiz " to load Compiz.  It installed
with out error... I then logged out and in. and that's where the problem
happened... I PANICed !   I was able to use a xterm OK so I replaced the
xorg.conf from xorg.conf.bak and # aptitude remove compiz....OK.  That
didnt help.


Don't know where to look next?X

Then I asked for help....  This is the best I can remember...Memory is
slipping as I get older...really old...8-(



Thanks, to both of you...


Jack



Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:42:32 -0500


From: Michael Pobega <pobega@gmail.com>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Window Borders Disappear

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On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 09:06:59PM -0600, Jack Schneider wrote:

> On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 10:26 -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
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> > On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 02:42:09PM +0000, Jack Schneider wrote:
> > > Hi, folks
> > > 
> > > I have lost my Desktop window borders. I am using Debian "lenny"
> > > updated. Problem occurred after an abortedattempt to install Compiz..
> > > I get the following error from theSystem>preferences>windows menu..  "
> > > Cannot start the preferences application for your window
> > > manager.Window manager "unknown" has not registered a configuration
> > > tool..
> > > 
> > > Any help would be great...  J ack
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Why don't you try aptitude reinstall metacity? That may work.
> > 

aptitude purge metacity && aptitude install metacity (If this gives you
dependency errors reinstall everything else as well).



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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:10:50 +0100


From: Bruno Boettcher <bboett@bboett.dyndns.org>
To: debian user list <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: recommended webcam?


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hello



i want to play around with ip-telephony and thus need a webcam, i have
an old thing that does 340x280 which is enough to see thatthere is
indeed somebody but the quality is simply awful, so what webcam are
there that are easy to get working under debian with more appropriate
resolution and framerate?



when i searched with google for something usable, i was drowned in a sea
of mostly negative responses....



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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:26:39 +0100


From: Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: CTRL-ALT-F8 doesn't work

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On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 21:20:15 -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:

> On Tue November 20 2007, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > That looks OK to me.
> >
> > Which output do you get for these three commands:

[...]


> $ awk '/Section "(InputDevice|ServerFlags)"/,/EndSection/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> Section "InputDevice"
>     Identifier     "Generic Keyboard"
>     Driver         "kbd"
>     Option         "CoreKeyboard"
>     Option         "XkbRules" "xorg"
>     Option         "XkbModel" "pc104"
>     Option         "XkbLayout" "us"
>     Option         "XkbVariant" "us"
> EndSection

[...]


Do you need more help?X
> pbc@paulandcilla:~$ xmodmap
> xmodmap:  up to 2 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):
> 
> shift       Shift_L (0x32),  Shift_R (0x3e)
> lock        Caps_Lock (0x42)
> control     Control_L (0x25),  Control_R (0x6d)
> mod1        Alt_L (0x40),  Alt_R (0x71)
> mod2        Num_Lock (0x4d)
> mod3      
> mod4      
> mod5        Scroll_Lock (0x4e)

My mod4/5 looks different:


mod4        Super_L (0x7f),  Hyper_L (0x80)
mod5        Mode_switch (0x5d),  ISO_Level3_Shift (0x71),  ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c)


For the rest I see the same, so I guess it is OK.


> pbc@paulandcilla:~$ xmodmap -pk | grep '(F[0-9]\+)'
>      67         0xffbe (F1)     0xffca (F13)
>      68         0xffbf (F2)     0xffcb (F14)
>      69         0xffc0 (F3)     0xffcc (F15)
>      70         0xffc1 (F4)     0xffcd (F16)
>      71         0xffc2 (F5)     0xffce (F17)
>      72         0xffc3 (F6)     0xffcf (F18)
>      73         0xffc4 (F7)     0xffd0 (F19)
>      74         0xffc5 (F8)     0xffd1 (F20)
>      75         0xffc6 (F9)
>      76         0xffc7 (F10)
>      95         0xffc8 (F11)
>      96         0xffc9 (F12)

The switching will only work if you get something like this:



$ xmodmap -pk | grep '(F[0-9]\+)'

     67         0xffbe (F1)     0x1008fe01 (XF86_Switch_VT_1)
     68         0xffbf (F2)     0x1008fe02 (XF86_Switch_VT_2)
     69         0xffc0 (F3)     0x1008fe03 (XF86_Switch_VT_3)
     70         0xffc1 (F4)     0x1008fe04 (XF86_Switch_VT_4)
     71         0xffc2 (F5)     0x1008fe05 (XF86_Switch_VT_5)
     72         0xffc3 (F6)     0x1008fe06 (XF86_Switch_VT_6)
     73         0xffc4 (F7)     0x1008fe07 (XF86_Switch_VT_7)
     74         0xffc5 (F8)     0x1008fe08 (XF86_Switch_VT_8)
     75         0xffc6 (F9)     0x1008fe09 (XF86_Switch_VT_9)
     76         0xffc7 (F10)    0x1008fe0a (XF86_Switch_VT_10)
     95         0xffc8 (F11)    0x1008fe0b (XF86_Switch_VT_11)
     96         0xffc9 (F12)    0x1008fe0c (XF86_Switch_VT_12)


Try to change your xorg.conf to:



Option         "XkbVariant" ""


Can we help you?X

and restart X. (You can also comment out that line completely.)



You can also try to run



xmodmap -e "keycode 67 = F1 XF86_Switch_VT_1"



while X is running and check if this restores CTRL-ALT-F1 switching to
tty1.


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          Florian   |


Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:05:24 -0600
From: Jack Schneider <puck@volunteerwireless.net>
To: Michael Pobega <pobega@gmail.com>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Window Borders Disappear
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> > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 02:42:09PM +0000, Jack Schneider wrote:
> > > > Hi, folks
> > > > 
> > > > I have lost my Desktop window borders. I am using Debian "lenny"
> > > > updated. Problem occurred after an abortedattempt to install Compiz..
> > > > I get the following error from theSystem>preferences>windows menu..  "
> > > > Cannot start the preferences application for your window
> > > > manager.Window manager "unknown" has not registered a configuration
> > > > tool..
> > > > 
> > > > Any help would be great...  J ack
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Why don't you try aptitude reinstall metacity? That may work.
> > > 
> 
> aptitude purge metacity && aptitude install metacity (If this gives you
> dependency errors reinstall everything else as well).
> 
> -

Have'nt done this yet,but
A little more info... what might "everything else" entail????
I'm guessing you mean whatever dependency errors occur... 
Thanks, Jack



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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:12:04 -0800 (PST)
From: joseph lockhart <jwl_andlovesaidno@yahoo.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
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>On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 06:24:55PM -0800, joseph
>lockhart wrote:
>> >On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 03:47:52PM -0500, Douglas
>A.  Tutty wrote:
>=20
>> thank you doug, appreciate the responce, yes i
>want it with
> absolutely
>> no x, the plan is to put it on an old box to force
>me to learn the
>> commandline better (i use it as much as i can but
>i know that so much
>> more could be done with it), besides there is a
>nostalgia factor of a
>> terminal only box (it is what i cut my teeth on so
>to speak, though
>> that was a 286 DOS box). the second thing is that
>it would be nice to
>> see what all you could do without the need for a
>clumbsy GUI (well at
>> least IMHO). the final point is that i am a little
>supprised that no
>> one has made a debian based terminal only
>installation, but i guess
>> being able to do it using the netinstall disk may
>explain that
> (though
>> i would have thought that one would exist for
>those who still exist
> in
>> the world of dialup
>
>I am on slow dialup: 1.2 KB/s usual.  Note that
>aptitude/apt is smart
>enough to be able to pick up where a download is
>interrupted.  Install
>things in small selections so you're not waiting a
>week just to get
>email setup.
>
>Great, you really want to learn non-GUI. =20
>
>Before you start, read the aptitude guide, the
>debian reference, and
>the installation manual.
>
>A good non-GUI setup:
>
>Base setup (no tasks),
>aptitude interactive,
>options: don't treat recommends as dependancies.
>go down the list of installed packages and mark
>anything that you don't
>        specifically want as 'A'utomaticly
>installed.
>add ppp and pppconfig.
>hit 'g' and see the list of packages to remove.
>You don't need their configs so mark everything that
>is to be deleted
> as
>Purge instead (select the section and mark it
>purge).
>hit 'g' again to get a smaller system with ppp
>available.
>
>set up ppp and get it working.
>
>set up your /etc/apt/sources.list including security
>updates.
>
>pon and run aptitude and do an update.  Install the
>security updates.
>
>Install exim4, mutt, mc, lynx, and an editor.
>
>Install lots of docs: doc-linux-html (HOWTOs),
>kernel docs, and docs
> for
>anything you install that has a separate doc
>package.
>
>Enjoy.
>
>Doug.


thank you doug

for me the connection is not really an issue (i am on
a cable connection and was just wondering why and iso
didn't already exist, though i didn't consider the
versitility of the netinstall disk at the time,
however the fact that other companies do have terminal
only versions still makes me wonder why debian doesn't
[slax frodo, toms root boot, etc])

i already use nothing but aptitude for package
managment so that is not an issue, and i will try to
remember to install doc packages.

one other question (knowing that i can read about
packages at www.debian.org) which commandline/terminal
apps are the best in their various areas?=20

thanks again for the responce

jwlockhart

Registered Linux User #458799
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:52:29 +0100 (CET)
From: "s. keeling" <keeling@nucleus.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Xresources not read at startup
Message-ID: <slrnfk8l1t.m0h.keeling@heretic.nucleus.com>

Kumar Ravichandran <kumar.ravichandran@gmail.com>:

> 
>  I am running Debian Etch on a Macbook, and I have a simple problem,
>  namely, that my $HOME/.Xresources file, which has a few colour options
>  for xterm, is not read at startup. I need to manually xrdb load it


I have it in ~/.xinitrc


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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:08:27 +0700
From: Klein Moebius <klein.moebius@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Laptop Firewalling
Message-ID: <20071121160827.GA6086@klein.moebius.net>
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* Douglas A. Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca> [2007-11-21 08:32:41 -0500]:


> You could look at shorewall.  It has a great set of docs in
> shorewall-doc.


Yes, it does.  I use it at three systems on dedicated firewall boxes.
Hadn't thought about using it in a laptop environment.


>=20
> Your laptop has three potential interfaces: eth(cable), eth(wireless)
> and ppp.  Do the two eth end up with different unit numbers?=20


They do.


> From a firewall perspective, does it matter if at any
> given time you're using a particular interface?  Assuming that you're
> not forwarding, although perhaps the Nat config will change.
>=20
> You could create a set of config files for each setup and write a script
> that copies the correct set to /etc/shorewall then restarts shorewall.
> Have the script start when an interface goes up.


That's a darned good idea.  For hotels and such, I could start the
interface with some fairly stout (read paranoid) settings as well.

Any others out there?

Regards,
Klein

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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:45:33 -0600
From: Jack Schneider <puck@volunteerwireless.net>
To: Michael Pobega <pobega@gmail.com>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Window Borders Disappear
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On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 09:42 -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:

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> On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 09:06:59PM -0600, Jack Schneider wrote:
> > On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 10:26 -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
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> > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2007 at 02:42:09PM +0000, Jack Schneider wrote:
> > > > Hi, folks
> > > > 
> > > > I have lost my Desktop window borders. I am using Debian "lenny"
> > > > updated. Problem occurred after an abortedattempt to install Compiz..
> > > > I get the following error from theSystem>preferences>windows menu..  "
> > > > Cannot start the preferences application for your window
> > > > manager.Window manager "unknown" has not registered a configuration
> > > > tool..
> > > > 
> > > > Any help would be great...  J ack
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Why don't you try aptitude reinstall metacity? That may work.
> > > 
> 
> aptitude purge metacity && aptitude install metacity (If this gives you
> dependency errors reinstall everything else as well).
> 
> - -- 
> If programmers deserve to be rewarded for creating innovative
> programs, by the same token they deserve to be punished if they
> restrict the use of these programs. 
>  - Richard Stallman
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Hi, Michael 

Tried it, purge & reinstall, log out & in --  No Change... Only way to
get borders back is $ metacity --replace....that works...

FYI

Jack
ps plan C ???



Date:  Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:07:41 -0500
From: "H.S." <hs.samix@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  Re: [OT]: free ddns service and port rediction 80<-->xyz
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Owen Townend wrote:


> 
> Hey,
>   Easy fix that works for me.
>   If your web server isn't already using it then just get ssh to listen
> on port 443 which the firewall will more than likely let through for
> https.
> 
> cheers,
> Owen.


I have it running, so can't use 443. But I already had this mind. I have
 asked the related admin what other ports are open. I am not running any
other services, so hopefully I can make ssh listen on one of those ports.

thanks,
->HS



Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:44:06 -0500
From: "Lowell Thomas" <lowell@coasttocoastresearch.com>
To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: problem compiling C++
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Hi All,

I just recently installed Debian 4.0r1. It is my first experience with
Debian or GNU/Linux. I=92ve been building and running C programs just fin=
e
with gcc. However, I=92m unable to compile C++ programs. The command g++
returns =93program not found=94 and
gcc main.cpp
returns the error
gcc: error trying to exec =91cclplus=92: execvp: No such file or director=
y

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Lowell Thomas



Date:  Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:22:50 +0100
From: Malte Forkel <malte.forkel@berlin.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  In-place migration to LVM?
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Hello,

I have a data file collection on three hard disks, each with just one partition. The 'primary' partition has the complete directory structure. The two 'secondary' partitions partially mirror that directory structure. There are some data files on the primary partition. For each data file on one of the secondary partitions, there is a soft link to it from the primary partition. Each partition has a couple of GB space left. 

Is it possible to migrate these partitions into one logical volume without loosing or backing up the data? If I had a backup storage large enough to hold all the data ...

Thanks in advance,
Malte

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