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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2921

Today's Topics:

  [debian-user] Browser Question -- No  [ Ted Hilts  ]
  vi issue in etch                      [ "Joseph L. Casale"  ]
  LDAP - howto get linux to talk to ex  [ "Bob Goldberg"  ]
  Re: Icedove+Gmail IMAP: crashing whe  [ Kamaraju S Kusumanchi  ]
  Arnold & Jerrod just invited you      [ "Arnold & Jerrod"  ]
  Re: Firestarter                       [ David  ]

Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:44:00 -0700
From: Ted Hilts <thilts33@telus.net>
To: List Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Cc: "Ted Hilts - Thunderbird Acct." <thilts33@telus.net> Subject: [debian-user] Browser Question -- Not urgent --respond if you have time

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I am trying to pin down a general kind of problem occuring with a number of applications on both Windozzzz and Linux. This is not urgent so look at this problem if you have time or interest.

I am having a problem with a number of capture type applications one of which is a Firefox add-on. But this is just one application I use as an example as it looks to me like the same or similar kind of problem is occurring to several applications running on several machines and I have even experiences this same or similar kind of problem on both Windozzzz as well as Linux OS platforms.

Here goes -- remember my firefox add-on which is a capture type application is just an example. I think I might better understand the source of the problem if I knew better the browser protocol when responding to a URL and the RSS protocol. One (of several) applications I am having a problem with is called scrapbook but my question is more general. I am trying to figure out if the problem is the result of my limited bandwidth (dial up) because the process failure behavior closely resembles a failed browser completion or download completion while downloading or capturing a web page or other file and the fetch often process just hangs part way through the process. I note that with a browser there is the reload or equivalent operation which restarts the browser. With my dial up ISP connection it is very common for me to have to reload -- often several times over when the Internet traffic is slow and some servers are also slow and the web page is large. So this has got me thinking that my problem with the scrapbook (and other capture type) application might be closely related to my problem with browsers and I would like to understand that fetching process better. For example the he scrapbook web page capture application puts out little messages like, connecting, loading, transfer of data, and since it is a web page capturing application it indcates capture of the web page into a file. My question is more about the connecting, loading and transfer of data which are probably the same kind of operations and protocol that a browser uses. What exactly is the difference between loading and transfer of data? I think loading involves the file names and/or sections within the web page and transfer of data involves the data in those files -- for example, the CSS file or the use of Javascript or tables, etc. But this is just an educated guess based on building web pages and I wanted to get the opinion of others more knowledgeable on brower and capture operations. The reason I don't want to talk about the scrapbook application specifically is because I have the same kind of problem with other capture type applications such as Offline Explorer and others and the problem occurs on all my computers. All these applications involve interaction with the Internet and the acquirement of web pages. Some of my applications are more robust and recover from a broken dial up connection and some don't. My data aquisition tasks are (capture of web pages) all done on 3 or 4 Windozzzzzz machines because a lot of these particular applications either are not available on Linux. But I have several Linux machines doing this kind of acquisition and the problem is the same but fewer applications on Linux. For example, the firefox add-ons are often not available on Linux. I did several years ago try to run wget and wput and other applications inside perl and bash scripts and even then I encountered this hanging problem.
I am looking for confirmation or other opinions from the Debian user group because I may be missing something significant. I have this nagging worry that perhaps OS resources (about which I know little in the way of socket operation, etc.) on both Windozzzzz as well as Linux may also be involved that may result is time-outs because of a slow and crowded Internet connection. I have now waited 2 years for a fast Internet connection and it should be soon here and I don't want to find out to my surprise that I still have this problem to the same degree.

Do you need help?

Any advise from anyone having had similar problems would be very welcome.

Thanks -- Ted
BTW, everyone have a nice day! Our temperature low here in North Alberta, Canada is about -15 degrees Celsius. Add in the wind factor and the layer of snow and we are talking COLD although I've seen it much colder out here. The fast Internet people came out yesterday and they could not install the connection because of the ice all over the scaffolding and roof. Waited 2 years and now still waiting.

Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:10:31 -0700
From: "Joseph L. Casale" <jcasale@ActiveNetwerx.com> To: "'debian-user@lists.debian.org'" <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: vi issue in etch
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Hi everyone,

I have my keyboard setup as us and in the console every key works correctly=
. In vi though everything is messed up! The standard shortcuts don't work. =
While following a tutorial, after an apt-get of a series of apps I noticed =

it start working like it should?

Is there something specific to Debian I am unaware of?

Thanks!
jlc

Do you need more help?

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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:32:52 -0600
From: Owen Heisler <owenh000@gmail.com>
To: debian-user List <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: random keystrokes ignored on console Message-ID: <20071130033252.GB5752@owenh.hopto.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1;

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Sometimes, when I type in the console, about 40% of the keystrokes are igno= red. =20
If I type (for example) "startx" and hit enter, I'll see "sart" or somesuch= and=20
the command fails. In that same case, typing "sttartxx" and enter probably= =20
would have worked, with "startx" being run. The enter key is also affected= , so=20
maybe I'd have had to hit it twice. This is frustrating, obviously. This

does not seem to be related to system temperature,
does not happen in X,
doesn't seem to be happening consistently,
and affects logging in (username & password) too.

This is on a new ThinkPad running Debian Lenny/Sid amd64. I thought this= =20
problem could be hardware-related, so I ran the hardware tests available on= the=20
Rescue & Recovery disc included with the laptop. Two tests failed: System Board: USB Port Test - Abnormal Exit SMBIOS: Standards Test - Failed
but they don't seem related to the problem.

Any thoughts? Thanks.

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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:46:10 -0600
From: "Bob Goldberg" <bobg.hahc@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
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OK;

I agree - problem is DEFINITELY ldap authentication; forget about exim....

Call Pantek today for Open Source Technical Support at 1-877-546-8934 - 24/7/365

my exchange server is setup to accept clear text, and anonymous OK (even though I'm not trying to be anon).

here's the thing - I have no idea what is going on between ldapsearch, and my exchange server.

I've tried netcat'g the host:389 to see if I could evesdrop, but to no avail.
I've tried telnet'g to the host:389, and DO connect, but have no idea what the communication should look like, and I get no responses at all regardless of what I try.

ldap is definitely running - I can run custom queries, and ldap://queries thru my windows browser with success.

the problem IS debian authenticating w/ the exchange server.

Can someone tell me some way to diagnose just what is happening in this communication between ldapsearch & ldap server ??? Or can someone point me / show me how a structured communication to the ldap server would look like, so I can try sending it thru telnet - just to see if I can get it to work that way.... Then I can try & figure out what ldapsearch is sending...

????

TIA - Bob

Do you need help?

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OK;<br><br>I agree - problem is DEFINITELY ldap authentication; forget about exim....<br><br>my exchange server is setup to accept clear text, and anonymous OK (even though I'm not trying to be anon).<br><br>here's the thing - I have no idea what is going on between ldapsearch, and my exchange server.
<br><br>I've tried netcat'g the host:389  to see if I could evesdrop, but to no avail.<br>I've tried telnet'g to the host:389, and DO connect, but have no idea what the communication should look like, and I get no responses at all regardless of what I try.
<br><br>ldap is definitely running - I can run custom queries, and ldap://queries thru my windows browser with success.<br><br>the problem IS debian authenticating w/ the exchange server.<br><br>Can someone tell me some way to diagnose just what is happening in this communication between ldapsearch & ldap server ???
<br>Or can someone point me / show me   how a structured communication to the ldap server would look like, so I can try sending it thru telnet - just to see if I can get it to work that way.... Then I can try & figure out what ldapsearch is sending...
<br><br>????<br><br>TIA - Bob<br><br>

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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:39:18 -0600
From: Owen Heisler <owenh000@gmail.com>
To: debian-user List <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: random keystrokes ignored on console Message-ID: <20071130043918.GA5659@owenh.hopto.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1;

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On Thu, 2007.11.29 21:32, Owen Heisler wrote: > Sometimes, when I type in the console, about 40% of the keystrokes are ig= nored. =20
> If I type (for example) "startx" and hit enter, I'll see "sart" or somesu= ch and=20
> the command fails. In that same case, typing "sttartxx" and enter probab= ly=20
> would have worked, with "startx" being run. The enter key is also affect= ed, so=20

> maybe I'd have had to hit it twice.  This is frustrating, obviously.  This
>  - does not seem to be related to system temperature,
>  - does not happen in X,
>  - doesn't seem to be happening consistently,
>  - and affects logging in (username & password) too.

Do you need more help?

I fixed this by upgrading dbus from 1.0.2-1 to 1.1.1-3.

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Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:54:03 -0500
From: Kamaraju S Kusumanchi <kamaraju@bluebottle.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Icedove+Gmail IMAP: crashing when reading message

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Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:

> Still having to manually delete the "To:" address after hitting
> "Reply-to-all" though.
>

Try knode instead of icedove. It has better support for mailing lists. In particular, you can have a shortcut to reply to a post and it gets sent to the mailing list automatically.

Can we help you?

hth
raju

-- 
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:01:10 -0500 From: Kamaraju S Kusumanchi <kamaraju@bluebottle.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: vi issue in etch Message-ID: <fio52j$e2o$1@ger.gmane.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Joseph L. Casale wrote: > Hi everyone, > I have my keyboard setup as us and in the console every key works > correctly. In vi though everything is messed up! The standard shortcuts > don't work. While following a tutorial, after an apt-get of a series of > apps I noticed it start working like it should? > > Is there something specific to Debian I am unaware of? Could be. But your question lacks important details such as what exactly you meant by "everything is messed up", "standard shortcuts". Please be specific. While you are at it, consider using vim instead of vi unless you have a good reason not to do so. hth raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:59:47 +1000 From: "Adrian Levi" <adrian.levi@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: OT: Programming Robots Message-ID: <d3826e640711292159j4dc60d30pba098a056cc2f0d4@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 30/11/2007, Thomas H. George <lists@tomgeorge.info> wrote: > My college student grandson says he wants to study programming robots. > Aside from all the commercial (game?) kits are there serious Linux > applications that he should consider? If so, how best to get started? > > Tom For me part of the solution is to learn a programming language that can do bitwise operations is a great start, C and pascal can communicate directly to hardware fairly easily. Learning to program to an old style parallel port can be useful, there are a ton of things you can do with a parallel port. Very simply you can have 4 "address" lines using LF FF Paper-out and online and 8 bits data. Use the 8 bits data to turn things on and off and the address lines as limit switches etc. You can interface to the port using common ttl type logic gates. One IC he might like to look into is a ULN2003. In 1 IC package there are 8 high current sinking transistors with protection (for turning on and off relays etc). He can also use an old style game port for an analogue input (for position sensing). All in all the posibilities are endless. He is going to have a lot of fun. Adrian -- 24x7x365 != 24x7x52 Stupid or bad maths?
<erno> hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to
ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is.

Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:51:57 -0700 From: "Joseph L. Casale" <jcasale@ActiveNetwerx.com> To: "'debian-user@lists.debian.org'" <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: RE: vi issue in etch Message-id: <1C8CF1EA1A5B5940B81B0710B2A4C93823DFD8D616@an-ex.ActiveNetwerx.int> Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en-US Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: news [mailto:news@ger.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Kamaraju S Kusumanchi Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:01 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: vi issue in etch Joseph L. Casale wrote: > Hi everyone, > I have my keyboard setup as us and in the console every key works > correctly. In vi though everything is messed up! The standard > shortcuts don't work. While following a tutorial, after an apt-get of > a series of apps I noticed it start working like it should? > > Is there something specific to Debian I am unaware of? Could be. But your question lacks important details such as what exactly yo= u meant by "everything is messed up", "standard shortcuts". Please be speci= fic. While you are at it, consider using vim instead of vi unless you have a goo= d reason not to do so. hth raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/ http://malayamaarutham.blogspot.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.o= rg Well, therein lies my lack of experience! I didn't even know there was a di= fference, vim is what I "meant" to use but didn't know I wasn't, hence the = apt-get install vim made it all good! :) Thanks!

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:26:06 +0000 From: andy <geek_show@dsl.pipex.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: FreeAgent USB HDD Message-ID: <474FBB0E.8050006@dsl.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit joseph lockhart wrote: > The new seagate usb hard drives spin down after aprox > 3 min, this then causes the computer to get a > "waiting" response that it interperates as a bad > device while the device spins back up, but being > logged as a bad device it will not let you access the > drive. basically you need to clear the log so that it > doesn't show up as a bad device, and then write a > script to touch the drive every two minutes or so > > hope that helps > > jwlockhart > > Registered Linux User #458799 > this user is penguin powered > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Thanks for that info Joseph - I wasn't aware that they did that. Certainly doesn't mention that in the booklet that came with the drive. Interestingly enough however, I can click the desktop icon, and the file will open up suggesting that from my machine's perspective, the drive is still mounted and operational. Or have I completely misunderstood how these things work? Cheers Andy -- "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." - Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"

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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:56:34 +0800 From: "Mark Quitoriano" <markquitoriano@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: perl Time::HiRes debian package? Message-ID: <6b542ec90711300056y2688cd9cmaa7f667864328580@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15458_32796939.1196412994532" ------=_Part_15458_32796939.1196412994532 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline HI list, is there a deb package for perl Time::HiRes? ------=_Part_15458_32796939.1196412994532 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline HI list,<br><br>is there a deb package for perl Time::HiRes?<br> ------=_Part_15458_32796939.1196412994532--

Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:30:46 +0000 From: Darko <darkom@post.htnet.hr> To: Debian Users <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Firestarter Message-ID: <474FCA36.6030703@post.htnet.hr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I deinstaled gnome and now I can't start firestarter is exsist a way to run it under KDE

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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:59:50 +0900 From: David <davidpalmer@westnet.com.au> To: Debian Users <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Firestarter Message-ID: <474FDF16.2080905@westnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Darko wrote: > I deinstaled gnome and now I can't start firestarter is exsist a way to > run it under KDE > > Just reinstall it. It should drag in all the libs necessary to run it without having to run a full Gnome install. I don't have a full Gnome desktop, I simply don't need it. I just install what I need, and along with X and a small window manager like fluxbox, it's all I need. Regards, David. End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #2921 ************************************************** Received on Fri Nov 30 05:21:16 2007

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