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debian-user-digest Digest V2007 #2950

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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2950

Today's Topics: 

  Re: wget initialization syntax error  [ Michelle Konzack  ]
  Re: SUDO                              [ Michael Pobega  ]
  What's the best way to upgrade java?  [ Angus Auld  ]
  viewing el imparcial with ff or icew  [ Hugo Vanwoerkom 
  Re: viewing el imparcial with ff or   [ Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwe ]
  Re: mount USB drive at boot: fsck fa  [ Bogart Salzberg <webmaster@inkfist. ]



Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 23:47:42 +0100


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: wget initialization syntax errors
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Am 2007-11-25 13:39:41, schrieb Haines Brown:

> "s. keeling"  writes:
>=20


> > Haines Brown <brownh@hartford-hwp.com>:
> > >  I created ~/.wgetrc and put into it simple options such as:=20
> > >=20
> > >    --mirror
>=20


> > You need to man wget and learn what rc file option does what you
> > want, if wget can be used that way.  "--mirror" is for the command
> > line:=20
>=20
> Man wget offers no help, nor was /usr/share/doc/wget. However, I did
> stumble on $ info wget, and this had a section that lists the commands.=


=20


Do you need help?X

use:	mirror =3D true



Thanks, Greetings and nice Day


    Michelle Konzack


    Tamay Dogan Network


    Open Hardware Developer


    Debian GNU/Linux Consultant




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Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 08:55:47 +0100


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


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Am 2007-11-26 22:21:27, schrieb steef:

> hi list,
>=20
> got a whole series of spam (from africa?) on this list. never seen so=20
> many spam messages before. am i the only one? or not maybe?


Which spam do you mean?



I see in ma fetchmail log that it had downloaded 147618 messages between
2007-11-23 and 2007-12-01 and only 13400 legitim arrived my mailfolders...



Do you have not installed a mailfilter?



Hmm, not realy much spam currently... normaly I get arround 38000 per day.


Can't find what you're looking for?X

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day


    Michelle Konzack


    Tamay Dogan Network


    Open Hardware Developer


    Debian GNU/Linux Consultant




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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:38:14 -0800


From: "David Fox" <dfox94085@gmail.com>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: ftp.debian.org update - Problem solved.

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On 12/3/07, Daniel Burrows <dburrows@debian.org> wrote:



>   Were you getting the same thing from apt-get commands?



I didn't try apt-get commands, actually.



>


>   Daniel



Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:55:47 -0500


From: Michael Pobega <pobega@gmail.com>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: SUDO

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On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 09:10:45AM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 11:47:54AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
>  


> > Using sudo the way Jostein suggested is just as open to problems as
> > logging in as root is, and should be avoided at all costs. Sudo was made
> > to save the user from hassle, for example, to play Wesnoth I need to
> > have access to the SDL framebuffer, but since you need to have root
> > permissions to access it I granted myself permissions just to Wesnoth.
> > 
> > pobega	ALL=NOPASSWD	/usr/games/wesnoth
> > 
> > And aliased in my shell:
> > 
> > alias wesnoth	'sudo /usr/games/wesnoth'
> > 
> > So when I run `wesnoth`, the framebuffer is automagically started and
> > I'm granted root permissions just for this one operation.
> 
> However, then the whole game is being run with root privleges.  Is it
> audited for use by root; what else is that binary doing while you're
> gaming?  Sudo only limits what commands you can issue
> from the shell; it does't limit what those commands can do.  It would be
> better to do one of the following:
> 
> 	1.	Have a separate game machine that you can reload
> 		periodically.  It should have not public keys on it or
> 		any other sensitive info.  Use a non-gaming box for real
> 		work.
> 
> 	2.	Find an alternative to the SDL framebuffer.  Perhaps 
> 		there's a permissions thing that could give members of 
> 		a 'gaming' group or something access to the SDL.  Then 
> 		the game could run under that normal user.
> 
> 	3.	Choose a different game.
> 
> Note that I have sdl installed as dependencies of vlc.  However, I can

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> play vlc as a normal user.  Perhaps its a group thing.
> 
> Are you in the video group?
> 

Confused? Frustrated?X

Yes, I am. And I should have access to the framebuffer, but for some
reason it doesn't work with SDL; Would CHMODing the file in /dev/ be
enough to grant me rw permissions to the fb?



  •   -- 
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programs, by the same token they deserve to be punished if they
restrict the use of these programs. 

  
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 05:52:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Angus Auld <aonghas_auld@yahoo.com>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: What's the best way to upgrade java??

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I am new to Debian, and I'm wondering what is the
*best*=20


way for me to upgrade my java to version 6?
Is it ok to get the relavent pkgs from testing (lenny)
and=20


install them from a folder using "dpkg -i *.deb"?
I am used to rpm based Linux (Mandriva), and I could=20
install rpms with a similar method using "urpmi *.rpm"



Would it be safe to add a lenny repository to
Synaptic,=20


and upgrade only my java pkgs??



I have the testing version of "java-package" (0.37)
installed,=20


so yet another method would be to create the updated=20
java using the java6 from sun (make-jpkg).



Any advice would be greatly appreciated.



TIA, best regards.=20


Do you need help?X

PS. I am running Dreamlinux, which is Debian Etch4
based.


My kernel version is "2.6.18.1-kanotix-1".




  •   Angus




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###########Reg. Linux User #278931###########



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Date:  Tue, 04 Dec 2007 09:31:26 -0600


From:  Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject:  viewing el imparcial with ff or iceweasel

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Hi,



How do you look at this?


http://www.imparoax.com.mx/

Hugo


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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:48:17 -0500


From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: spam

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On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 08:55:47AM +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote:

> Am 2007-11-26 22:21:27, schrieb steef:


> > hi list,
> > 
> > got a whole series of spam (from africa?) on this list. never seen so 
> > many spam messages before. am i the only one? or not maybe?
> 
> Which spam do you mean?
> 
> I see in ma fetchmail log that it had downloaded 147618 messages between
> 2007-11-23 and 2007-12-01 and only 13400 legitim arrived my mailfolders...
> 
> Do you have not installed a mailfilter?
> 
> Hmm, not realy much spam currently... normaly I get arround 38000 per day.


Michael, 



The debian lists have mail filter administrators more adept than many of
the users of debian lists will ever be.



I notice that your posts tend to come in batches where you reply to what
to daily readers of debian-user would appear to be threads that have
been dead for a few days.  Perhaps by the time the DU mail gets to you,
the spam storm has been fixed and you never receive it.



Or, perhaps your mail filters are better than debian-user's.  If so,
perhaps you could provide some guidance to the debian lists mail filter
administrators.



I don't have a mail filter.  I only get about 2 spams per week other
than what comes from debian-user; I get many a day from DU.


Can we help you?X

Doug.



Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:10:45 -0500


From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: SUDO

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On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 11:47:54AM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
 

> Using sudo the way Jostein suggested is just as open to problems as
> logging in as root is, and should be avoided at all costs. Sudo was made
> to save the user from hassle, for example, to play Wesnoth I need to
> have access to the SDL framebuffer, but since you need to have root
> permissions to access it I granted myself permissions just to Wesnoth.
> 
> pobega	ALL=NOPASSWD	/usr/games/wesnoth
> 
> And aliased in my shell:
> 
> alias wesnoth	'sudo /usr/games/wesnoth'
> 
> So when I run `wesnoth`, the framebuffer is automagically started and
> I'm granted root permissions just for this one operation.


However, then the whole game is being run with root privleges.  Is it
audited for use by root; what else is that binary doing while you're
gaming?  Sudo only limits what commands you can issue
from the shell; it does't limit what those commands can do.  It would be
better to do one of the following:



  1.  	Have a separate game machine that you can reload
		periodically.  It should have not public keys on it or
		any other sensitive info.  Use a non-gaming box for real
		work.

  
  2.  	Find an alternative to the SDL framebuffer.  Perhaps 
		there's a permissions thing that could give members of 
		a 'gaming' group or something access to the SDL.  Then 
		the game could run under that normal user.

  
  3.  	Choose a different game.




Note that I have sdl installed as dependencies of vlc.  However, I can
play vlc as a normal user.  Perhaps its a group thing.



Are you in the video group?



Doug.


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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:28:50 -0500


From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Syncable finance app?

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On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 02:15:56AM -0500, John Miller wrote:

> 
> There are plenty of personal finance applications out there for Linux 
> (GNUCash, gAcc, etc.), but with all of them, you must make entries on 
> your PC.  When I eat out at a restaurant, I'd like to be able to enter 
> the amount of the bill, plus a little note, in my Palm IIIxe (yes, I 
> know--it's dated), which will then automatically update my check 
> register.  I'd also like to be able to sync this information to my Linux 
> desktop, adding/editing transactions as necessary.
> 
> I've been using Checkbook, a freeware program for the Palm.  I can sync 
> my info to my computer with pilot-link/jpilot/gnome-pilot, but I can't 
> edit it directly or import the info into another program.  Is there any 
> sync-aware checkbook/finance program out there?  Are there plugins for 
> GNUCash or similar that will allow them to sync with a PDA?


I've rarely solved such problems with a kitchen sink approach (replacing
the palm program and the finance program with one big program that does
everything).  You have a program for you Palm that gets data onto your
box.  You have a cheque register.  You just need an app that links it
all.



First order of business is to sort out the file and record format of the
datafile from Checkbook that sync gets from the Palm and puts on the pc.
Then you need to find command-line tools that will do what you need.



What command can you issue from the command line that will enter data to
Checkbook?  What command can you issue from the command line that will
put data on your desktop?



Write a script that uses the commands appropriatly.  Use a scripting
language to do the logic processing.  Use whatever language you like
that will do it.  Personally, I'd use Python.



Doug.


Confused? Frustrated?X

Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:51:28 -0500


From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: random keystrokes ignored on console

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On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 09:28:59PM -0600, Owen Heisler wrote:

> On Sat, 2007.12.01 06:27, Gabriel Parrondo wrote:


> > El vie, 30-11-2007 a las 17:16 -0600, Owen Heisler escribi??:
> > > On Thu, 2007.11.29 22:39, Owen Heisler wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2007.11.29 21:32, Owen Heisler wrote:
> > > > > Sometimes, when I type in the console, about 40% of the
> > > > > keystrokes are ignored.  If I type (for example) "startx" and
> > > > > hit enter, I'll see "sart" or somesuch and the command fails.
> > > > > In that same case, typing "sttartxx" and enter probably would
> > > > > have worked, with "startx" being run.  The enter key is also
> > > > > affected, so maybe I'd have had to hit it twice.  This is
> > > > > frustrating, obviously.  This - does not seem to be related to
> > > > > system temperature, - does not happen in X, - doesn't seem to
> > > > > be happening consistently, - and affects logging in (username
> > > > > & password) too.
> > > > 
> > > > I fixed this by upgrading dbus from 1.0.2-1 to 1.1.1-3.
> > > 
> > > Actually, this didn't fix the problem.  After the system is
> > > booted, there are three dbus processes running: two 'dbus-daemon'
> > > and one 'dbus-launch'.  Killing the 'dbus-launch' process fixes
> > > the problem (until the next reboot, of course).
> > 
> > dbus-launch is used to launch a program within a session bus
> > instance.  Try checking the init scripts to see what program is
> > being run, that program may be the cause of the problem and not dbus
> > itself.
> 
> wpa-ifupdown is the only init script that references dbus, and
> disabling it has no effect.  Now I'm only seeing one dbus-daemon
> process instead of two, though, along with dbus-launch.


There's /etc/init.d/dbus which is run in runlevel 2.



Doug.



Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:45:07 -0500


From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: [OT] sandpaper [Was: Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS]

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On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 09:59:52AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
 

> Interesting. I view it more like this: sudo and grep (find, sort, etc
> etc etc) are ubiquitous. I'm surprised they made the list at all. I
> consider it equivalent to asking woodworkers what their favorite tool
> is and being surprised that you don't get "sandpaper" in the
> list. They all use sandpaper, they couldn't imagine a shop without it,

Do you need help?X

> but its just assumed. The discussion will center around things like
> routers versus shapers versus custom profiled handplanes. Chisels and
> saws versus dove-tail jigs and routers. Biscuit joiners vs
> pocket-screw jigs versus mortise-and-tenon tools. etc. Of course
> they're all going to use sandpaper at the end, its not a choice. Just
> a thought on the psychology of these sorts of polls. 

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For pure woodworking (as opposed to, say, surface prep prior to
repainting something on the house), I don't use sandpaper at all.  My
shop doesn't have it.  I use scrapers if I need or, or leave a true
planed surface.



My favorite chisel is one give me by my step-grandfather (pattern
maker).  Is a 1/4" wide, about 16" long overall, hand made by some Swiss
master in the late 1800's.  It holds an edge seemingly forever.  I lap
it on the granite surface plate occasionally (more frequently if I'm
carving something hard on tools).  Goes through most woods as if they
were butter.



By the time you buy a router and either buy or build a good solid router
table, you could have bought a 2 HP shaper.  The only advantage to the
router route :) is to have a portable router or if you are in an
apartment where plunking a 500# machine down in the spare bedroom would
go over like, well, a 500# shop tool.



While we're at it, I'm not a fan of the table saw either.  They only
come into their own with sheet stock; I never use sheet stock.  For
solid stock, I used the bandsaw then cleaned it up on the jointer or
shaper, back when I had a full shop.  Now I just do it by hand.



Doug.



Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:18:03 -0500


From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: PII fast enough for firewall

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On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 08:03:20PM +0100, Peter Teunissen wrote:

> On 3-dec-2007, at 7:25, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >On 12/02/07 22:22, John Schmidt wrote:
> >>I have a 15K Mbs connection (up/down) to my house (fiber to the
> >>home).
> >>
> >>I have a Buffalo router that connects to my WAN and then one of  the
> >>LAN ports on this router connects to my IPCOP firewall that is
> >>running on a  PII -- 400 MHz box with 64 MB of RAM.
> >>
> >>When I do a speed test from my box behind my IPCOP firewall, I get
> >>about 10K Mbs up/down.
> >>
> >>If I move the connection to one of the Buffalo router LAN
> >>connections, I get the advertised 15K Mbs up/down speed.
> >>
> >>So routing traffic thru the IPCOP firewall slows things down quite
> >>a bit.  Is this to be expected?
> >
> >It is if IPCOP puts a load on the CPU or starts swapping memory.
> >
> >Does it?
> >
> >> I was thinking of changing the firewall to a  
> >>debian box running shorewall, and was wondering if I could tweak the
> >>firewall/ router to not slow things down appreciably like the ipcop
> >>box is doing.
> >
> 
> FWIW, you could try m0n0wall instead, it runs fine on my FW with 64MB
> & 450mhz PII. I get 10MB/sec throughput without full load on the cpu.
> 

Do you need more help?X

Or OpenBSD.  Has a much smaller memory footprint (means less swapping)
than linux and perhaps faster as well.  Also, since its a firewall,
OpenBSD is supposed to be the most secure firewall to which regular
people have access.



Doug.



Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 04:29:36 -0800 (PST)
From: BartlebyScrivener <bscrivener42@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Syncable finance app?

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On Dec 4, 1:40 am, John Miller <jmil...@thecsl.org> wrote:


> When I eat out at a restaurant, I'd like to be able to enter
> the amount of the bill, plus a little note, in my Palm IIIxe (yes, I
> know--it's dated), which will then automatically update my check
> register.  I'd also like to be able to sync this information to my Linux
> desktop, adding/editing transactions as necessary.
>


I think most in your situation would get a credit card (a separate one
for business expenses if needed), then download the transactions from
the card into your financial software.



Why make entries in a palm device?  Why not let the bank do it for
you? Most software remembers the last category you used for Joe's
Restaurant or Pete's Hardware and automatically categorizes it for
you. It's a two-second download into your register. Or at worst a
download plus import on Moneydance or GnuCash.



rd


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Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:00:33 +0100


From: Ivan Glushkov <glushkov@mail.desy.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: compiz fusion

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To all interested:



the away is to add to your sources.list



deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/unstable/ ./



update and apt-get install compiz-fusion-kde or compiz-fusion-gnome 
depending on your windows manager. Then compiz --replace in a terminal 
creates all the goodies :)


	Enjoy,
	Ivan


Ivan Glushkov wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have already compiz on my laptop, but I want to try also compiz fusion 
> (mainly due to its nice configuration tool). What is "the proper" way to 
> do it in Debian (lenny)? Can I take it from Ubuntu repository 
> (
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion)? Or 
> should I build it by myself(
http://releases.compiz-fusion.org/0.6.0/)? 
> Do you know some nice how-to for compiz fusion on Debian? I googled 
> around but I found only a page on Italian on the topic..
> 
>     Thanks in advance,
>     Ivan
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:17:10 -0800


From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: viewing el imparcial with ff or iceweasel
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On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 09:31:26AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

> Hi,
>
> How do you look at this?
>
> 
http://www.imparoax.com.mx/

huh. that's wierd. Do you think its serving a different page to other
browsers? The source is very simple with just the link to ... nowhere.



A



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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:45:41 -0500


From: Bogart Salzberg <webmaster@inkfist.com>
To: debian users <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: mount USB drive at boot: fsck failure

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Running "lshw" on the box shows the motherboard as a Dell 0UW457, v.  
A03 with socket M2 and Nvidia GeForce 6150LE chipset. The BIOS  
version is about a year old (12/09/2006, v. 1.1.4), so it could  
probably use an upgrade.



Actually, if you have any tips on upgrading the BIOS from within  
Linux, give me a shout. Most of Dell's "solutions" for BIOS upgrade  
are convoluted or Windows-centric. I was playing around with the  
libsmbios utilities the other day. Perhaps there is something in  
there to help...



Thanks,



Bogart



On Dec 3, 2007, at 8:26 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:


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>> Ron,
>>
>> Interesting: when the USB drive is on, the box stalls during POST.  
>> It is
>> apparently some kind of deadlock, because when I power down the drive
>> POST completes immediately.
>
> What motherboard?
>
>
> - --
> Ron Johnson, Jr.
> Jefferson LA  USA
>
> %SYSTEM-F-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels

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