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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2951

Today's Topics: 

  Re: [OT] sandpaper [Was: Re: results  [ Andrew Sackville-West  ]
  Re: compiz fusion                     [ Ivan Glushkov  ]
  Re: Problem with compiling            [ Andrew Sackville-West  ]
  Re: Syncable finance app?             [ Andrew Sackville-West  ]
  Re: problem compiling C++             [ Thierry Chatelet 

Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:25:46 -0800


From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: [OT] sandpaper [Was: Re: results: debian-user's favourite

        FLOSS]


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Do you need help?X

On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 09:45:07AM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 09:59:52AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> =20
> > Interesting. I view it more like this: sudo and grep (find, sort, etc
> > etc etc) are ubiquitous. I'm surprised they made the list at all. I
> > consider it equivalent to asking woodworkers what their favorite tool
> > is and being surprised that you don't get "sandpaper" in the
> > list. They all use sandpaper, they couldn't imagine a shop without it,
> > but its just assumed. The discussion will center around things like
> > routers versus shapers versus custom profiled handplanes. Chisels and
> > saws versus dove-tail jigs and routers. Biscuit joiners vs
> > pocket-screw jigs versus mortise-and-tenon tools. etc. Of course
> > they're all going to use sandpaper at the end, its not a choice. Just
> > a thought on the psychology of these sorts of polls.=20
>=20
> For pure woodworking (as opposed to, say, surface prep prior to
> repainting something on the house), I don't use sandpaper at all.  My
> shop doesn't have it.  I use scrapers if I need or, or leave a true
> planed surface.

Nice way to take my analogy as a means to veer wildly OT ;-)



I'm no fan of sandpaper unless it's attached to a machine to do the
sanding for me. I love a planed or scraped surface but have little
opportunity to produce one.=20


>=20
> My favorite chisel is one give me by my step-grandfather (pattern
> maker).  Is a 1/4" wide, about 16" long overall, hand made by some Swiss
> master in the late 1800's.  It holds an edge seemingly forever.  I lap
> it on the granite surface plate occasionally (more frequently if I'm
> carving something hard on tools).  Goes through most woods as if they
> were butter.

I'm jealous.


>=20
> By the time you buy a router and either buy or build a good solid router
> table, you could have bought a 2 HP shaper.  The only advantage to the
> router route :) is to have a portable router or if you are in an
> apartment where plunking a 500# machine down in the spare bedroom would
> go over like, well, a 500# shop tool.

If you can only have one tool, a decent router is a good choice. I
don't disagree about the shaper vs router and table, but it's really
hard to: trim laminate, edge or groove large panels, make key-holes,
mortise hinge plates, etc. At a minimum (for the work I do, anyway)
I'd need a nice laminate trimmer. and probably a router as well. MIght
as well just use the router which does all those things reasonably
well for a lot less money (up front).


>=20
> While we're at it, I'm not a fan of the table saw either.  They only
> come into their own with sheet stock; I never use sheet stock.  For
> solid stock, I used the bandsaw then cleaned it up on the jointer or
> shaper, back when I had a full shop.  Now I just do it by hand.
Do you need more help?X

huh. I use my table saw for everything. I"ve even made cove moldings
on it. But, to paraphrase someone else, when its the only tool you
have, everything begins to look like sheet stock. To each their own
though.=20



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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 04:48:08 -0800 (PST)
From: sintzu@gmail.com


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: gstreamer ugly library upgrade question

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hey all,


i use debian sid (unstable) amd64 release and after a recent upgrade,
gstreamer ugly library creates lots of problems with all sorts of
programs (rythmbox and gnome baker for example)
how can i upgrade my gstreamer library the debian way??


Can't find what you're looking for?X

Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:14:10 +0200


From: Bogdan Marian <mendingo84@gmail.com>
To: Ivan Glushkov <glushkov@mail.desy.de>,  debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: compiz fusion

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Ivan Glushkov wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have already compiz on my laptop, but I want to try also compiz 
> fusion (mainly due to its nice configuration tool). What is "the 
> proper" way to do it in Debian (lenny)? Can I take it from Ubuntu 
> repository 
> (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion)? Or 
> should I build it by myself(http://releases.compiz-fusion.org/0.6.0/)? 
> Do you know some nice how-to for compiz fusion on Debian? I googled 
> around but I found only a page on Italian on the topic..
>
>     Thanks in advance,
>     Ivan
>
>


Hey,



We need to know your graphic card configuration in order to give you 
proper advice. Anyway, as for a repository, take a look here 
http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/

BR,


Bogdan



Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:57:25 -0500


From: Paul Cartwright <ale@pcartwright.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Download Opera brower package
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On Mon December 3 2007, Mark Grieveson wrote:

> Just add the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list, update, and then
> you'll be able to install opera.
>
> deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ etch non-free
>


that doesn't work:


W: GPG error: http://deb.opera.com etch Release: The following signatures 
couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 
033431536A423791


W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems




-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459


Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:51:27 -0500
From: Bogart Salzberg <webmaster@inkfist.com>
To: debian users <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: mount USB drive at boot: fsck failure -> kernel upgrade
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Would you personally use the kernel from "testing" on a production  
box? Is it really as simple as "apt-get upgrade linux-image" ->  
restart -> done? I've been cautious about using packages from  
testing, because they seem to depend on a lot of other packages from  
testing and I'm nervous about the snowball effect on a box that is  
supposed to be "stable".

Bogart

On Dec 3, 2007, at 8:28 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:


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>> Ron,
>>
>> I'm running the original Etch kernel on this machine, "Linux version
>> 2.6.18-4-amd64 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12)".
>
> Upgrade to the latest kernel.  If for no other reason than you
> shouldn't be running such an old kernel.
>
> - --
> Ron Johnson, Jr.
> Jefferson LA  USA
>
> %SYSTEM-F-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:18:53 -0500
From: Paul Cartwright <ale@pcartwright.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
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On Tue December 4 2007, Paul Csanyi wrote:

> # /etc/init.d/apcupsd start
>

that's what I have been doing ( or the apcupsd &)

> or restart, or stop
>
> If you have the Debian GNU/Linux Etch system, you should to reinstall
> apcupsd with
>
> # aptitude reinstall apcupsd
>
> command!


well why not.. I did that, so we will see what happens after next reboot.
thanks!



-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459



Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 04:53:53 -0800 (PST)
From: 2006me <a9803843@gmx.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: debian 4.0 r0 installation - x-windows starts but gets stuck in black 
	in white screen
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Hi, I have the following issue. When I start my recent debian
installation (4.0 r0) everything work fine except when it comes to
start the x-window. It starts up but gets stuck in a black and white
screen with the mouse pointer as a X. right away. Nothing else
happens. Gnome will not come up even if you wait a while (say 20
min).  I don't really
know where to start looking for error messages.

It would be a great help if you could point me to where I should
continue the search my x-window issues. So I can fix my own box.
Thanks.

Michael



Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:27:16 +0100
From: Ivan Glushkov <glushkov@mail.desy.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: compiz fusion
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Hi Bogdan,

in principle, you are right - for proper advice one would need the type 
of the video card. But the fact that I am already running compiz is 
enough, no matter what my video card is, right? Anyway, in my case 
"lspci | grep VGA" gives:

~ % lspci | grep VGA
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility 
Radeon 9600 M10]
~ %

Thanks for the replay, but as I wrote in my previous post, I managed to 
solve the problem myself.
	
	Cheers,
	Ivan

Bogdan Marian wrote:

> Ivan Glushkov wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have already compiz on my laptop, but I want to try also compiz 
>> fusion (mainly due to its nice configuration tool). What is "the 
>> proper" way to do it in Debian (lenny)? Can I take it from Ubuntu 
>> repository 
>> (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion)? Or 
>> should I build it by myself(http://releases.compiz-fusion.org/0.6.0/)? 
>> Do you know some nice how-to for compiz fusion on Debian? I googled 
>> around but I found only a page on Italian on the topic..
>>
>>     Thanks in advance,
>>     Ivan
>>
>>
> Hey,
> 
> We need to know your graphic card configuration in order to give you 
> proper advice. Anyway, as for a repository, take a look here 
> http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/
> 
> BR,
> Bogdan
> 

Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:26:02 +0000
From: steef <steefvanduin@zonnet.nl>
To: debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: spam
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Michelle Konzack wrote:

> Am 2007-11-26 22:21:27, schrieb steef:
>   
>> hi list,
>>
>> got a whole series of spam (from africa?) on this list. never seen so 
>> many spam messages before. am i the only one? or not maybe?
>>     
>
> Which spam do you mean?
>
> I see in ma fetchmail log that it had downloaded 147618 messages between
> 2007-11-23 and 2007-12-01 and only 13400 legitim arrived my mailfolders...
>
> Do you have not installed a mailfilter?
>
> Hmm, not realy much spam currently... normaly I get arround 38000 per day.
>
> Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
>     Michelle Konzack
>     Tamay Dogan Network
>     Open Hardware Developer
>     Debian GNU/Linux Consultant
>
>
>   

hi michelle,

this thread is long dead by now. debian-listmasters seem to have 
adapted/installed some filters. so did I on the box i am writing now from.

the problem is solved.

kind regards,

steef

-- 
drs. steef van duin

publicist, research-journalist



Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:45:27 -0800
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Problem with compiling
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On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 09:54:27AM +0100, Erik Jakobsen wrote:

> I am trying to install a webcam on my etch dist.


we really sort of need more details about this, like what camera, what
are you trying to build, where you got the code, etc etc etc.


>
> I get this:
>
> # make
> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-486/build SUBDIRS=3D/opt/pwc-10.0.11 modules
> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-486'
> CC [M] /opt/pwc-10.0.11/pwc-if.o
> /opt/pwc-10.0.11/pwc-if.c:164: error: variable =E2=80=98pwc_template=E2=

=80=99 has=20

> initializer but incomplete type


just what it says here. I suspect that this is causing most of the
rest of these errors. It almost looks like there's a missing paren or
brace somewhere, but I'm no C coder.=20


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Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:17:06 -0600
From: John Hasler <jhasler@debian.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: PII fast enough for firewall
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Doug writes:

> ...OpenBSD is supposed to be the most secure firewall to which regular
> people have access.


It's also probably the most secure firewall to which regular people don't
have access.
-- 
John Hasler



Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:50:14 -0800
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Syncable finance app?
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On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 02:15:56AM -0500, John Miller wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> There are plenty of personal finance applications out there for Linux=20
> (GNUCash, gAcc, etc.), but with all of them, you must make entries on you=

r=20

> PC.  When I eat out at a restaurant, I'd like to be able to enter the=20
> amount of the bill, plus a little note, in my Palm IIIxe (yes, I know--it=

's=20

> dated), which will then automatically update my check register.  I'd also=

=20

> like to be able to sync this information to my Linux desktop,=20
> adding/editing transactions as necessary.
>
> I've been using Checkbook, a freeware program for the Palm.  I can sync m=

y=20

> info to my computer with pilot-link/jpilot/gnome-pilot, but I can't edit =

it=20

> directly or import the info into another program.  Is there any sync-awar=

e=20

> checkbook/finance program out there?  Are there plugins for GNUCash or=20
> similar that will allow them to sync with a PDA?


One of the gnucash devs was working on something like this. I think
it's called cashutils or something like that. The dev was Neil
Williams and he was working hard on getting some backend access to
gnucash that could be used with a Palm or similar device. Check
linux.codehelp.co.uk but I don't know what state any of that is in.=20

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Confused? Frustrated?X

Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 03:08:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Nevruz Mesut Sahin <databasearia@yahoo.com>
To: debian english <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: about tar backup
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tear friends I want to get  all my directories backup by tar

my directories  :   /www/abc/domains/

/www/abc/domains/there_so_many_files

so I want to get all backup under /www  then I tried

tar cvf /www/       (but does not work  gives error)
tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive
Try `tar --help' or `tar --usage' for more information.

what is my mistake please tell me


      =20
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:59:12 +0100
From: "Martin Marcher" <martin@marcher.name>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: SUDO
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2007/12/3, Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com>:

> Add erik to the sudores file?
>
> visudo is a wrapper around vi to edit the /etc/sudoers file.


well not exactly vi.

It uses $EDITOR if that can't be found /usr/bin/editor (iirc) which on
debian uses the update alternatives system. So there's no need to be
afraid of vi/vim when you don't want to use it.

Note: I use vi/vim but there may be people that live on the dark side :)


-- 
http://noneisyours.marcher.name
http://feeds.feedburner.com/NoneIsYours

Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 10:48:38 -0600
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: Bogart Salzberg <webmaster@inkfist.com>
CC: debian users <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: mount USB drive at boot: fsck failure
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On 12/04/07 08:45, Bogart Salzberg wrote:

> Running "lshw" on the box shows the motherboard as a Dell 0UW457, v. A03
> with socket M2 and Nvidia GeForce 6150LE chipset. The BIOS version is
> about a year old (12/09/2006, v. 1.1.4), so it could probably use an
> upgrade.


That sounds like something that a BIOS upgrade would fix, since the
box doesn't "know" Linux during POST.


> Actually, if you have any tips on upgrading the BIOS from within Linux,
> give me a shout. Most of Dell's "solutions" for BIOS upgrade are
> convoluted or Windows-centric. I was playing around with the libsmbios
> utilities the other day. Perhaps there is something in there to help...


I've got a similar problem with a DOS-based upgrade app.  I'm going
to look to writing FreeDOS to a USB key.


> Thanks,
> 
> Bogart
> 
> On Dec 3, 2007, at 8:26 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
> On 12/03/07 18:56, Bogart Salzberg wrote:
>>>> Ron,
>>>>
>>>> Interesting: when the USB drive is on, the box stalls during POST. It is
>>>> apparently some kind of deadlock, because when I power down the drive
>>>> POST completes immediately.
> 
> What motherboard?



- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

%SYSTEM-F-FISH, my hovercraft is full of eels
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:06:50 +0100
From: Thierry Chatelet <tchatelet@free.fr>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
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On Saturday 01 December 2007 23:46, Michelle Konzack wrote:
Hi Michelle
All your replies come dated Saturday up to now, the next two are dated Sunday 
8 AM and 12 noon.
What's the trouble?
Thierry



Date:  Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:06:42 -0600
From:  Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  Re: viewing el imparcial with ff or iceweasel
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Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 09:31:26AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> How do you look at this?
>>
>> http://www.imparoax.com.mx/
> 
> huh. that's wierd. Do you think its serving a different page to other
> browsers? The source is very simple with just the link to ... nowhere.
> 
> A


So it wasn't me.



Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:29:57 -0800
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: debian 4.0 r0 installation - x-windows starts but gets stuck
	in black in white screen
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On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 04:53:53AM -0800, 2006me wrote:

> Hi, I have the following issue. When I start my recent debian
> installation (4.0 r0) everything work fine except when it comes to
> start the x-window. It starts up but gets stuck in a black and white
> screen with the mouse pointer as a X. right away.


well. this is good. It means X is working.=20


> Nothing else
> happens. Gnome will not come up even if you wait a while (say 20
> min).=20


have you installed Gnome? How do you start your X session: from a
console prompt with 'startx' or from gdm|xdm|kdm?


> I don't really
> know where to start looking for error messages.


/var/log/Xorg.0.log, but X is working so that won't say much.
maybe ~/.xsession-errors but I bet that's empty.


>=20
> It would be a great help if you could point me to where I should
> continue the search my x-window issues. So I can fix my own box.


I'm guessing you don't actually have a window manager or desktop
environment installed.=20

A

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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:21:37 -0500
From: Paul Cartwright <ale@pcartwright.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Download Opera brower package
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On Tue December 4 2007, Paul Cartwright wrote:

> > Just add the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list, update, and then
> > you'll be able to install opera.
> >
> > deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ etch non-free
>
> that doesn't work:
> W: GPG error: http://deb.opera.com etch Release: The following signatures
> couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY
> 033431536A423791
> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems


but if you do a google search and go to deb.opera.org you will see this:
The archive gpg fingerprint

pub   1024D/6A423791 2006-09-26 [expires: 2009-09-25]
      Key fingerprint = CD5A 9776 9F6E F4D9 EBCD  8F92 0334 3153 6A42 3791
      uid                  Opera Software Archive Automatic Signing Key 
sub   2048g/BEAEDCB7 2006-09-26 [expires: 2009-09-25]

To install the key on your host, do something like this:
Debian user

wget -O - http://deb.opera.com/archive.key | apt-key add -

or

gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-key 6A423791
gpg --fingerprint 6A423791
gpg --armor --export  6A423791| apt-key add -


and that does work:)

-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459

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