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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2952

Today's Topics: 

  Re: PII fast enough for firewall      [ David Brodbeck  ]
  Re: compiz fusion                     [ Cassiano Bertol Leal  ]
  Re: mount USB drive at boot: fsck fa  [ Ron Johnson  ]
  Re: OT: Socket A motherboard          [ Cassiano Bertol Leal  ]
  Re: SUDO                              [ Ron Johnson  ]
  Re: Problem with compiling            [ Erik Jakobsen  ]
  Re: about tar backup                  [ Ansgar Esztermann  ]
  Can not read some messages with sign  [ Misko  ]
  Re: Mediawiki from testing install t  [ "John W. Foster"  ]
  permissions in /sbin                  [ andy  ]

Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:30:31 -0800
From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu> To: Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: PII fast enough for firewall 

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On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:18 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> Or OpenBSD. Has a much smaller memory footprint (means less swapping)
> than linux and perhaps faster as well. Also, since its a firewall,
> OpenBSD is supposed to be the most secure firewall to which regular
> people have access.

I also found pf a little more intuitive to configure than Linux's iptables, but this is probably a matter of personal preference. And it is indeed very fast.

Unless the original poster has a lot of rules, though, I kind of doubt the firewall overhead is actually his problem.

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Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:34:41 -0600
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: gstreamer ugly library upgrade question 

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On 12/04/07 06:48, sintzu@gmail.com wrote:
> hey all,
> i use debian sid (unstable) amd64 release and after a recent upgrade,
> gstreamer ugly library creates lots of problems with all sorts of

What does "gstreamer ugly library" mean?

> programs (rythmbox and gnome baker for example)
> how can i upgrade my gstreamer library the debian way??

apt-get?

  • -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA

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Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:19:35 -0200
From: Cassiano Bertol Leal <cassianoleal@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: compiz fusion 

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> Ivan Glushkov wrote:

>> Hi,
>>
>> I have already compiz on my laptop, but I want to try also compiz
>> fusion (mainly due to its nice configuration tool). What is "the
>> proper" way to do it in Debian (lenny)? Can I take it from Ubuntu
>> repository
>> (
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion)? Or
>> should I build it by myself(
http://releases.compiz-fusion.org/0.6.0/)?
>> Do you know some nice how-to for compiz fusion on Debian? I googled
>> around but I found only a page on Italian on the topic..
>>
>>     Thanks in advance,
>>     Ivan

> To all interested:
>
> the away is to add to your sources.list
>
> deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-sid/desktopfx/unstable/ ./
>
> update and apt-get install compiz-fusion-kde or compiz-fusion-gnome
> depending on your windows manager. Then compiz --replace in a terminal
> creates all the goodies :)
>
> Enjoy,
> Ivan

Instead of doing a 'compiz --replace', you could run fusion-icon. This way, you'll get a blue cube icon on your tray, and from there you can control all aspects of compiz and emerald. It's even possible to quick switch window managers, in case you have a problem with compiz.

Cheers
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:56:02 +0100
From: Jochen Schulz <ml@well-adjusted.de> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: about tar backup
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Nevruz Mesut Sahin: 

>=20

> so I want to get all backup under /www then I tried
>=20

> tar cvf /www/       (but does not work  gives error)
> tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive
> Try `tar --help' or `tar --usage' for more information.

The 'f' option has to be followed directly by the name of the filename of the tar archive. Just like

tar cvf /srv/backup/www-backup.tar /www

J.
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[Agree] [Disagree] 

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Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:38:54 -0600
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> To: debian users <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: mount USB drive at boot: fsck failure -> kernel upgrade 

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On 12/04/07 08:51, Bogart Salzberg wrote:

(For reasons that have been elucidated a million times, please do *not* top-post.)

> Would you personally use the kernel from "testing" on a production box?

Confused? Frustrated?X

If stable doesn't work...

> Is it really as simple as "apt-get upgrade linux-image" -> restart ->
> done? I've been cautious about using packages from testing, because they
> seem to depend on a lot of other packages from testing and I'm nervous
> about the snowball effect on a box that is supposed to be "stable".

Kernel packages tend to have much fewer dependencies.

> Bogart
>
> On Dec 3, 2007, at 8:28 PM, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> On 12/03/07 18:51, Bogart Salzberg wrote:

>>>> Ron,
>>>>
>>>> I'm running the original Etch kernel on this machine, "Linux version
>>>> 2.6.18-4-amd64 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12)".

>
> Upgrade to the latest kernel. If for no other reason than you
> shouldn't be running such an old kernel.
  • -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA

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Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:30:00 -0200
From: Cassiano Bertol Leal <cassianoleal@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: Socket A motherboard 

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Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 12/03/07 20:59, Sam Leon wrote:

>> Ron Johnson wrote:

> 
>>> And *none* will have SATA.
>>>

> 
>> Do you mean sataII?  There are alot of socket A boards that have sata,
>> the nf7-s v2 included.

>
> I'm surprised. But then Wikipedia tells me that it's aka Socket
> 462, so it's lasted longer than I thought it did.
>

Why is it surprising? P4's are still alive and many have support for SATA. I actually find my Athlon XP Barton to be more responsive than some P4-HT that I have used. Why would it not support SATA?

Look at the A7N8X from ASUS, for example.

If you google for "socket a" +"sata", you'll get many...

Cheers,
Cassiano Leal
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Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:54:33 -0600
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> To: debian english <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: about tar backup 

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On 12/04/07 05:08, Nevruz Mesut Sahin wrote:
> tear friends I want to get all my directories backup by tar
>
> my directories : /www/abc/domains/
>
> /www/abc/domains/there_so_many_files
>
> so I want to get all backup under /www then I tried
>
> tar cvf /www/ (but does not work gives error)
> tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive
> Try `tar --help' or `tar --usage' for more information.
>
> what is my mistake please tell me

Where are you sending the output?

  • -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA

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Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:57:50 -0600
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: SUDO 

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On 12/04/07 04:59, Martin Marcher wrote:
> 2007/12/3, Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com>:

>> Add erik to the sudores file?
>>
>> visudo is a wrapper around vi to edit the /etc/sudoers file.

>
> well not exactly vi.
>
> It uses $EDITOR if that can't be found /usr/bin/editor (iirc) which on
> debian uses the update alternatives system. So there's no need to be
> afraid of vi/vim when you don't want to use it.
>
> Note: I use vi/vim but there may be people that live on the dark side :)
>
>

"Why are we hiding from the police, daddy?" "They use Emacs, son, and we use vi."

  • -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA
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Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:08:22 +0100
From: Erik Jakobsen <erik_ja@mail.tele.dk> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Problem with compiling 

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Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> we really sort of need more details about this, like what camera, what
> are you trying to build, where you got the code, etc etc etc.

>

> 
>

> just what it says here. I suspect that this is causing most of the
> rest of these errors. It almost looks like there's a missing paren or
> brace somewhere, but I'm no C coder. 
>
>

>

Thanks for your reply.

I want to install the PWC software for my Logitech Webcam Pro 4000 I got the code from here:

http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/files/

And i tried form ther pwc-10.0.11.tar.bz2

And install per this information:

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http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/PWC/InstallationStandAloneModuleKernel2x6

Is that ok ?

Erik

Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:13:55 -0800 (PST) From: tharanga Wijethilake <tharangawijethilake@yahoo.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
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Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:52:57 -0500
From: John Miller <jmiller@thecsl.org>
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Subject: Re: Syncable finance app? 

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Thank you, Doug and rb, for two different approaches to my problem. I'm not, however, looking to roll my own solution if I can avoid it. Since there are plenty of sync-friendly apps for Palm's Address Book, Date Book, and Memo Pad, it seemed that there'd be a similar Palm finance app that could sync to a larger Linux app.

I really dislike relying on the bank to keep track of what I spend. What happens if I write a check that doesn't get cashed for a week or two? Or if a debit/credit card transaction takes a few days to process (as happens from time to time)? The bank does a very good job of keeping track, but for certain things, a manual checkbook register is better. Besides, there's the whole issue of trust. I trust the bank to get things right, but not so much that I won't check their math myself! Relying solely on online banking neglects my own responsibility to keep track of what I spend.

I'm going to see if anyone else on the list has ideas, then start to think about writing something myself.

--John

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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:08:32 +0100
From: Ansgar Esztermann <aeszter@gwdg.de> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: about tar backup
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On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 03:08:13AM -0800, Nevruz Mesut Sahin wrote:
> tear friends I want to get all my directories backup by tar

>=20

> my directories : /www/abc/domains/
>=20

> /www/abc/domains/there_so_many_files
>=20

> so I want to get all backup under /www then I tried
>=20

> tar cvf /www/       (but does not work  gives error)
> tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive
> Try `tar --help' or `tar --usage' for more information.
>=20
> what is my mistake please tell me

You need to give two arguments to tar cvf: the name of the archive, and the name of the directory you want to backup. I do not quite understand what you are trying to accomplish, but this will backup the my_data directory to my_backup.tar:

tar cvf my_backup.tar my_data/

A.

--=20
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I noticed that some messages on this list mutt can not read. When I try to read signed message (tapping ENTER) mutt says: Could not copy message
and does not open that message in viewer. This happend with messages in recent SUDO thread From: Michael Pobega <pobega@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20071204032230.GA29338@digital-haze.net> Message-ID: <20071204035819.GB29338@digital-haze.net>

On the other hand if I press 'e' I can edit that message in my editor, and therefore read it!
Anybody know why this is happening?
Just for the note I did not change anythig that has to do with GPG.

Misko

Can't find what you're looking for?X

Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:33:13 -0600
From: "John W. Foster" <johnwfoster@verizon.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Mediawiki from testing install tips anyone??? 

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On Monday 03 December 2007 23:47, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 08:29:06PM -0600, John W. Foster wrote:
> > I am trying to install Mediawiki1.1.11xxx from testing. There seems to be
> > NO installation instructions at all. In the stable version there was
> > enough to get started, however the current testing version is way
> > differtent as far as the way it seems to be set up. Much more like
> > apache2 maybe. Are there any doc anywhere? YThere is not even a readme in
> > the main dirs or /etc/mediawiki/
> >
> > Tips please anyone.
> > Thanks!

>

> Sorry if you already searched there, but what about
> /usr/share/doc/mediawiki/

Well don't I have egg on my face......
That's what happens when you come to depend on DWWW, instead of looking for myself. I ran the dwww-build but it missed the new install docs somehow. >
> BTW, I don't recall any package to install docs in /etc/
Sometimes there have bee some readme from the debian packagers there, been a while since I have seen that.
Thanks!!! 
>

> Regards,
> Andrei
-- 
John W. Foster

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Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:00:46 +0000 From: andy <geek_show@dsl.pipex.com> To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: permissions in /sbin Message-ID: <4755B1EE.6000401@dsl.pipex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Skulking through /sbin this evening and I noticed the output to ls -l /sbin is all -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root ... Is this really an okay arrangement for the contents of /sbin? Cheers Andy -- "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." - Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow" End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #2952 ************************************************** Received on Tue Dec 4 15:46:45 2007

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