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debian-user-digest Digest V2007 #2953

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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2953

Today's Topics: 

  Re: UPS                               [ Hugo Vanwoerkom  ]
  openssl x509 management               [ Alex Samad  ]
  Preferred Backup Method?              [ Michael Pobega  ]
  Re: What's the best way to upgrade j  [ Nyizsnyik Ferenc  ]
  Re: results: debian-user's favourite  [ Andrei Popescu  ]
  Re: permissions in /sbin              [ Andrew Sackville-West 

Date:  Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:57:46 -0600


From:  Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject:  Re: UPS

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Nate Duehr wrote:

> David Brodbeck wrote:
> 
>> For home use the BackUPS models are fine, but for important servers I 
>> prefer the SmartUPS models due to their self-test capabilities.  With 
>> a BackUPS your first clue that the battery has worn out is usually 
>> when the power fails and the UPS drops the load.

Do you need help?X



> 
> My BackUPS does a daily load test.  The first indication that batteries 
> are dead is when it tries to move the load to the battery and the alarm 
> starts screaming bloody murder.
> 
>> People often discard these units when the batteries fail, after thee 
>> or four years.  If there's a good computer surplus store in your area 
>> you might be able to pick up some units for almost nothing that just 
>> need new batteries.  I've frequently bought surplus BackUPS units for 
>> $2 to $3 each and I have yet to get one that needed anything more than 
>> new batteries.


> 
> Definitely agreed.  Sealed lead-acid batteries are cheap, and most 
> battery outlets will happily make you up a "pack" if your UPS is big 
> enough to have more than one battery hot-glued together and make sure 
> you have the correct tabs/connectors to install it in any UPS you might 
> have.
> 
> I recently refurbished an old BackUPS 1100 that had dead batteries for 
> about $50 for brand new, name-brand batteries.
> 
> People who won't be bothered to fix things and are part of the 
> throw-away society, pay for nice new UPS's, and I get them for the cost 
> of battery replacements.  Great deal for me... sad for them.
> 

My Back-UPS LS 500 is in need of a battery. How do I go about finding 
that locally? I.e what does one ask for? I know the battery it has and 
that is not sold locally.



Hugo


Do you need more help?X

Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 21:35:41 +0100


From: Thierry Chatelet <tchatelet@free.fr>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: ftp.debian.org update


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On Tuesday 04 December 2007 09:54, Josip Rodin wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 01:27:22AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > Many people seem to think that ftp.debian.org is the canonical location
> > > of Debian packages and that it will be best for them to use that site
> > > for apt or for mirroring. This is *not true*.
> > >

Maybe, it would be wise to remove it from the proposed locations in the 
installer!


Thierry



Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 21:52:47 +0100


From: Jochen Schulz <ml@well-adjusted.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: permissions in /sbin


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Can we help you?X

andy:

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> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   ...


>=20

> Is this really an okay arrangement for the contents of /sbin?

Sure it is. Only root may modify the files and everyone may read and
execute them. What did you expect?



J.


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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 07:57:19 +1100


From: Alex Samad <alex@samad.com.au>


To: Debian Users <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: openssl x509 management


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Hi



My ca is about to expire and I used to manually manage my certificates, jus=
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bunch of scripts.



How are other people managing their certificates, I don't have that many,=
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something web based would be nice.



I have used the rsa scripts inside openvpn



Alex



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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:09:12 -0500


From: Michael Pobega <pobega@gmail.com>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Preferred Backup Method?

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What is d-u's preferred method of backups? Now that I'm running servers
on my system (Apache, MySQL, SSH, etc.) I need to find a good method of
backing up, because no matter how much security someone has things may
still go wrong.



So list your preferred methods of creating/restoring backups and the
pros and cons. Thanks!



  •   -- 
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programs, by the same token they deserve to be punished if they
restrict the use of these programs. 

  
    •   Richard Stallman
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Confused? Frustrated?X

Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 21:58:37 +0100


From: Nyizsnyik Ferenc <nyizsa@bluebottle.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: What's the best way to upgrade java??

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On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 05:52:11 -0800 (PST)


Angus Auld <aonghas_auld@yahoo.com> wrote:


> I am new to Debian, and I'm wondering what is the
> *best* 
> way for me to upgrade my java to version 6?
> Is it ok to get the relavent pkgs from testing (lenny)
> and 
> install them from a folder using "dpkg -i *.deb"?

Since its dependencies are most likely installed on all systems, this
approach may work, however...


> I am used to rpm based Linux (Mandriva), and I could 
> install rpms with a similar method using "urpmi *.rpm"
> Would it be safe to add a lenny repository to
> Synaptic, 
> and upgrade only my java pkgs??

...instead of Lenny repository I suggest backports.org. The packages
there are specifically made for Etch.


> I have the testing version of "java-package" (0.37)
> installed, 
> so yet another method would be to create the updated 
> java using the java6 from sun (make-jpkg).
> 
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> TIA, best regards. 
> 
> PS. I am running Dreamlinux, which is Debian Etch4
> based.
> My kernel version is "2.6.18.1-kanotix-1".

Should not be a problem in this case.


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Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:12:52 -0700
From: Nate Duehr <nate@natetech.com>
To: Debian List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: UPS
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Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:


> My Back-UPS LS 500 is in need of a battery. How do I go about finding 
> that locally? I.e what does one ask for? I know the battery it has and 
> that is not sold locally.


I don't know the physical layout of the LS 500, but the packs are 
typically made up of standard sealed lead-acid batteries that are used 
for all sorts of purposes... fire alarms, industrial, etc.

To replace these is simple:  I just opened my UPS up, pulled out the 
pack -- which turned out to be two standard 12V sealed lead-acid 
batteries -- disconnected it (it's well marked for positive and 
negative, and in my case there was a "Y" cable with an in-line fuse 
holder between the two packs for current limiting), and took them to the 
local battery dealer.

I shopped a bit online and found batteries a couple of bucks cheaper (or 
really cheap in 10 packs - if someone has a lot of UPS's to refurbish), 
but the local store was convenient and their price was fair if I 
included shipping on the stuff from the Net dealers.

The local store also was nice because they took the two original dead 
batteries for recycling at no charge, and glued the two new batteries 
together to make up the "pack".

You could install them without gluing them together, for certain -- but 
it makes it a little easier to get them in and out of the unit with the 
front cover door down.

Slide the new "pack" in, reconnect the connectors and the in-line fuse 
holder that was hooked between the packs, and it was done.

APC also has a "trade-up" offer on their website where they'll give 
discounts on brand new units for turning in the old one (I believe they 
are even providing recycling services).  The prices weren't that great, 
but if you were out in the country-side and didn't have a local battery 
dealer, it'd be better than nothing.

If this is your UPS: 
<http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BP500UC&total_watts=200>

They have links on that page for battery replacement "kits" with and 
without their software.  You only need the battery.

That's definitely a standard single sealed lead-acid battery.  They sell 
that "kit" to replace it, but you can get that battery just about 
anywhere... Looking at the photos, I think that is a 7Ah battery, but 
let's see... a little Google...

<http://www.apexbattery.com/apc-back-ups-ls-500-ups-battery-bp500uc-ups-batteries-apc-ups-batteries-apc-back-ups-batteries.html>

Yep.  7.5 Amp-Hour standard gel cell.

CDW wants $35.99 for the "official" APC branded replacement.

<http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.aspx?EDC=107245&RecommendedForEDC=209767&RecoType=AC>

APC voids their "equipment protection" if you don't use theirs, 
supposedly...

If you're not worried about that, those batteries (if I got the right 
UPS above) are a piece of cake to find all over the place.

Make sure you recycle the old one.   Have fun.

Nate



Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 23:36:49 +0200
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: results: debian-user's favourite FLOSS
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On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 09:59:52AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
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> > Firefox/Iceweasel and GIMP reign supreme for the third year running
> > but are now joined by aptitude, each having 21 votes.

>=20

> thy are category killing apps. Intersting is the number of cli web
> browsers populating the 3-5 positions. I would have thought we'd see
> opera or something in there.=20


I gave one vote for non-free ...
=20

> > The most
> > surprising category is "misc utilities" because none of the 2005 and
> > 2006 winners, sudo and grep received enough votes (three) to appear
> > here.

>=20

> Interesting. I view it more like this: sudo and grep (find, sort, etc
> etc etc) are ubiquitous. I'm surprised they made the list at all. I


You're right. I have a 'x-term-emu su -' called from a key combo in=20
xfce, I almost never type it in directly ...

Regards,
Andrei
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 23:44:59 +0200
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: ftp.debian.org update
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On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 09:35:41PM +0100, Thierry Chatelet wrote:

> On Tuesday 04 December 2007 09:54, Josip Rodin wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 01:27:22AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > Many people seem to think that ftp.debian.org is the canonical loca=

tion

> > > > of Debian packages and that it will be best for them to use that si=

te

> > > > for apt or for mirroring. This is *not true*.
> > > >

>=20

> Maybe, it would be wise to remove it from the proposed locations in the=

=20

> installer!
> Thierry


The last installation I recall prompted for a mirror based on my=20
location (Romania). It offered only Romanian mirrors, the first being=20
ftp.ro.debian.org (the primary mirror for Romania).

Regards,
Andrei
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 23:57:21 +0200
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Can not read some messages with signature in mutt
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On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 03:52:40PM +0100, Misko wrote:

> I noticed that some messages on this list mutt can not read.
> When I try to read signed message (tapping ENTER) mutt says:
> Could not copy message
> and does not open that message in viewer.
> This happend with messages in recent SUDO thread
> From: Michael Pobega <pobega@gmail.com>
> Message-ID: <20071204032230.GA29338@digital-haze.net>
> Message-ID: <20071204035819.GB29338@digital-haze.net>
> 
> On the other hand if I press 'e' I can edit that message in
> my editor, and therefore read it!
> Anybody know why this is happening?
> Just for the note I did not change anythig that has to do with GPG.


I'm guessing GPG is not setup on your computer. Try setting 
crypt_verify_sig to no.

Regards,
Andrei
P.S. Deliberately not signed to make it easier for you to read it ;)
-- 
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)



Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 23:59:39 +0200
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: viewing el imparcial with ff or iceweasel
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On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 08:17:10AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 09:31:26AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > How do you look at this?
> >
> > http://www.imparoax.com.mx/

>=20

> huh. that's wierd. Do you think its serving a different page to other
> browsers? The source is very simple with just the link to ... nowhere.


Are you seeing a pdf icon that points to the same url? That's what I get=20
with Opera.

Regards,
Andrei
--=20
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)

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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:01:10 -0800
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Preferred Backup Method?
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On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 04:09:12PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:

> What is d-u's preferred method of backups? Now that I'm running servers
> on my system (Apache, MySQL, SSH, etc.) I need to find a good method of
> backing up, because no matter how much security someone has things may
> still go wrong.

>=20

> So list your preferred methods of creating/restoring backups and the
> pros and cons. Thanks!


to paraphrase: Real men post their stuff on the net and let everyone
else back it up.=20


Seriously though, I use rdiff-backup and cron jobs to pull backups of
critical data and /etc using pub-key ssh authentication to make the
connections. I have no bare-metal restoration plan, just reinstall,
install packages, recover data and /etc and roll on.=20

Probably not a well advised plan, but it works for me.

A

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Do you need help?X

Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:24:24 +0000
From: andy <geek_show@dsl.pipex.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: permissions in /sbin
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Jochen Schulz wrote:

> andy:
>   

>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   ...
>>
>> Is this really an okay arrangement for the contents of /sbin?
>>     
>

> Sure it is. Only root may modify the files and everyone may read and
> execute them. What did you expect?

>

> J.
>   

Fair enough. I just figured that since /sbin keeps those programs that 
only root can run, having the x switch for each seemed promiscuous.

Still learning ... :)

Cheers

Andy

-- 

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." - Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"



Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:04:56 -0800
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: permissions in /sbin
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On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 09:24:24PM +0000, andy wrote:

> Jochen Schulz wrote:

>> andy:
>>  =20
>>> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   ...
>>>
>>> Is this really an okay arrangement for the contents of /sbin?
>>>    =20
>>
>> Sure it is. Only root may modify the files and everyone may read and
>> execute them. What did you expect?
>>
>> J.
>>  =20

> Fair enough. I just figured that since /sbin keeps those programs that on=

ly=20

> root can run, having the x switch for each seemed promiscuous.


many of these programs behave differently for different
users. ifconfig is a great example. It allows root to do anything, but
normal users only get to see the status. they can't actually change
anything.=20

>

> Still learning ... :)


me too.=20

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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:07:56 -0800
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: rsync to clone disk - Can it work? grub-install error
Message-ID: <20071204220755.GZ9741@localhost.localdomain>
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On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 02:56:57PM -0500, chloe K wrote:

> Hi all

>=20

> I install etch in hda
> then I add the hdc which have same partition but not same size in hda

>=20

> /dev/hda1 /boot
> /dev/hda2 /swap
> /dev/hda3 /

>=20

> i use rsync to copy data from hda to hdc

>=20

> I use fedora5 boot disk to boot.=20
> mount /boot and / and chroot to /


did you mount /boot within the chroot?=20


> but I got error to grub-install /dev/hda

>=20

> You shouldn't call /sbin/grub-install. Please call /usr/sbin/grub-install=

 instead!

> tempnam: No such file or directory
> /usr/sbin/grub-install: line 394: $log_file: ambigous redirect


what actual command did you enter?=20

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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:13:45 -0800
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Problem with compiling
Message-ID: <20071204221345.GA9741@localhost.localdomain>
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On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 07:08:22PM +0100, Erik Jakobsen wrote:

> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > we really sort of need more details about this, like what camera, what
> > are you trying to build, where you got the code, etc etc etc.
> >
> >  =20
> >
> > just what it says here. I suspect that this is causing most of the
> > rest of these errors. It almost looks like there's a missing paren or
> > brace somewhere, but I'm no C coder.=20
> >
> >
> >  =20
> Thanks for your reply.

>=20

> I want to install the PWC software for my Logitech Webcam Pro 4000
> I got the code from here:

>=20

> http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/files/

>=20

> And i tried form ther pwc-10.0.11.tar.bz2


well there is now a 10.0.12-rc1 out so you might look into that.=20


>=20

> And install per this information:

>=20

> http://www.lavrsen.dk/twiki/bin/view/PWC/InstallationStandAloneModuleKern=

el2x6
>=20

> Is that ok ?


looks reasonable. What kernel are you building for?=20

any reason why you aren't using pwc-source package from debian? Also
note that package claims that after 2.6.18 the pwc module is no longer
needed as the "uncompressor thingy" is in the kernel tree, so you may
not need it at all. Indeed, I do have pwc* modules on my system.=20

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