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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2970

Today's Topics: 

  Re: exim - what is it? (how does it   [ Andrew Sackville-West  ]
  Re: Preferred Backup Method?          [ Paul Cartwright  ]
  Re: Preferred Backup Method?          [ Bill Smith  ]
  Debian resolves unkown hosts to itse  [ Jonathan  ]
  Re: OT: clicky keyboards              [ Nate Bargmann 

Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:34:03 -0800


From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: exim - what is it? (how does it run)
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On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 01:22:58PM -0600, Bob Goldberg wrote:

> On Dec 5, 9:40 pm, Andrew Sackville-West <and...@farwestbilliards.com>
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 06:26:38PM -0800, bobg.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > ie: the command line [from my router] is:
> > > data =3D ${lookup{$local_part@$domain}lsearch{/etc/exim4/email-accept}
> > > {:fail: User unknown }}
> >
> > > what interpreter can I execute this line of code in to see what the
> > > heck it's doing?
> >
> > one of my lookups that has a fail in it has no colons (:) around
> > it and the fail is not in its own set of braces. try it like this:
> >
> >  data =3D
> >  ${lookup{$local_part@$domain}lsearch{/etc/exim4/email-accept}fail}}
> >
> > taking out the User unknown part.
> >
> > Don't ask me why...
> >
> > A
>=20


> interesting...
> I did try it w/o enclosing fail in it's own braces...
> but the expansion still shows "fail" when in fact, the lookup was
> successful.
Do you need help?X

I still don't know about that, but here is another method you could
try.



Instead of verifying recipients (other thread), try this acl:



accept recipient =3D lsearch;/path/to/recipients-file



where the recipients-file looks like:


user1@myco.com
user2@myco.com
usera@myotherdomain.org



=2E..



then use a simple router/transport combo to send everything to
exchange server. That acl does a simple linear seach of the
recipients-file for the address in question. If it finds it, the acl
will accept. if not it will pass. you could get away, in this case,
with probably just two lines of acl: the one accept above and then a
default deny at the bottom and be done with it.=20



>=20

> Does anyone know what language this is?

nope. well, someone does, but not me.


> I can just go look at a language reference for the lookup/lsearch command=

(s)

> if I knew what language this was....


>=20


Do you need more help?X

I don't know if you've made it to exim.org yet, but here is where I
figured out the above acl:

http://exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch10.html

with help from:

http://exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/ch09.html

The docs are pretty good really, but you have to realise that exim is
really full featured and has many more options and then I could ever
imagine. THat makes it complicated. and it makes the docs really
really long. Give yourself time to grok it all...



A



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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:24:58 -0600


From: "Bob Goldberg" <bobg.hahc@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: exim4 config - what EXACTLY is "final destination"
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On Dec 6, 12:50 pm, Andrew Sackville-West <and...@farwestbilliards.com>
wrote:

>


> > I believe there have only been 2 people, you & someone else that made
> > reference to the the example conf file distributed with exim.  This file

>

> I think that was me too ;)
LOL



>


> > no man page for exim.conf....
>


> /etc/exim4/exim4.conf
>


> it will override debconf's version.


>



Andrew,



I'll give that a try - again Many TX!


really appreciate it!



Bob


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On Dec 6, 12:50 pm, Andrew Sackville-West &lt;<a href="mailto:and...@farwestbilliards.com">and...@farwestbilliards.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; &gt; I believe there have only been 2 people, you &amp; someone else that made
<br>&gt; &gt; reference to the the example conf file distributed with exim.&nbsp; This file<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I think that was me too ;)<br><br>LOL<br><br>&gt; <br>&gt; &gt; no man page for exim.conf....<br>&gt; <br>&gt; /etc/exim4/exim4.conf
<br>&gt; <br>&gt; it will override debconf&#39;s version.<br>&gt; <br><br>Andrew,<br><br>I&#39;ll give that a try - again Many TX!<br>really appreciate it!<br><br>Bob<br><br>



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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:29:01 -0600


From: "Bob Goldberg" <bobg.hahc@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: exim - what is it? (how does it run)
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On Dec 6, 12:50 pm, David Brodbeck <bro...@u.washington.edu> wrote:

> On Dec 5, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Bob Goldberg wrote:
>


> > when I setup an exim conf file - what exactly runs it? perl?
>


> Exim reads it in itself.  Just like Sendmail reads in sendmail.cf.
>


> Unless you're talking about Debian's Rube-Goldbergian system for
> building an Exim config file from pieces. I never really figured that
> out...I always ended up using one monolithic file, when I had to do
> manual configuration.


>


Confused? Frustrated?X

TX, David;



no - only monolithic for me.... the other sounds like too many things can go
wrong or get confused.



TX - Bob



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On Dec 6, 12:50 pm, David Brodbeck &lt;<a href="mailto:bro...@u.washington.edu">bro...@u.washington.edu</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; On Dec 5, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Bob Goldberg wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; &gt; when I setup an exim conf file - what exactly runs it? perl?


> 
> Exim reads it in itself.  Just like Sendmail reads in 
sendmail.cf.
> 
> Unless you're talking about Debian's Rube-Goldbergian system for  
> building an Exim config file from pieces. I never really figured that  

> out...I always ended up using one monolithic file, when I had to do  
> manual configuration.
>

TX, David;

no - only monolithic for me.... the other sounds like too many things can go wrong or get confused.


TX - Bob




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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:08:47 -0800


From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: OT: clicky keyboards


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Totally OT, except it's on my debian box ;)



If you need that amazingly insightful gift for someone (yourself?)
this year, check out www.clickykeyboards.com for real IBM
keyboards. Mine just arrived and I'm in heaven.=20



I hate to bump a commercial enterprise like that, but I know many of
you do lots of typing...=20



cheers



A



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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:07:07 -0500


From: Wayne Topa <linuxone@intergate.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: exim - what is it? (how does it run)

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Bob Goldberg(bobg.hahc@gmail.com) is reported to have said:

> On Dec 5, 9:40 pm, Andrew Sackville-West <and...@farwestbilliards.com>
> wrote:
> 
> interesting...
> I did try it w/o enclosing fail in it's own braces...
> but the expansion still shows "fail" when in fact, the lookup was
> successful.
> 
> Does anyone know what language this is?
> I can just go look at a language reference for the lookup/lsearch command(s)
> if I knew what language this was....

Bob



  There is an exim4 list "pkg-exim4-users@lists.alioth.debian.org"
that is monitored by one of the maintainers of the package.  You might
try there if you need to get 'deep' into the inner workings.  



Wayne


-- 
I am a computer, dumber than any human and smarter than any
administrator.
_______________________________________________________


Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:43:08 -0500
From: Paul Cartwright <ale@pcartwright.com>
To: Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Preferred Backup Method?
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On Thu December 6 2007, David Brodbeck wrote:

> > The installer acts as a weed-eater: it weeds out users who don't read
> > the docs. =A0If you don't read, the partioner will kill you.

>

> At least it doesn't require a pocket calculator anymore. =A0When I =A0
> first installed it you had to manually calculate cylinder boundaries!

>

> OpenBSD is fun, secure, and interesting, but they don't make a secret =A0
> of being newbie-hostile


I don't know about newbie hostile, but I would say it is definitely a UNIX=
=20
guru environment.. just trying to download was a frustrating 30 minutes.=20
there was no "*.iso" like 99.999% of the other distros use. Then it took me=
 a=20
while to figure out if it was even going to install/run an X environment.=20
Don't even ask about a LiveCD..:)
 and I've installed UNIX from 36 floppy disks!


=2D-=20
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459



Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:21:39 +0200
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: how to filter out testing or stable from installed package
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On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 10:14:37AM +0100, J=F6rg-Volker Peetz wrote:

> H.H. Ding wrote:
> > hi list
> >=20
> > I config my sources list both in stable and testing, now I want to know
> > which package installed on my host is from stable and with is from
> > testing. How can I know it?
> >=20
> > many thanks.
> >=20
> This was discussed recently on this list; see

>=20

> Re: Listing packages
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/10/msg02136.html

>=20

> and

>=20

> Re: Pining: command to list unstable packages?
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/12/msg00001.html


That's another good question for the=20
http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser

Regards,
Andrei
--=20
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Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 01:01:43 +0200
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Can not read some messages with signature in mutt
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On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 03:13:49PM +0100, Misko wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 07:51:14PM -0500, Michael Pobega wrote:
> > I've changed my ~/.muttrc file, does it work now Misko?

>=20

> Yes, Now it is OK for me.
> But there must be something wrong with my setup since as it seems
> I am the only one who has this problem.

>=20

> Here I include my .muttrc file.
> I use Mutt 1.5.13 (2006-08-11) version as found on official DVD.


[snip muttrc]

Sorry, I can't spot anything in there that could affect viewing signed=20
mail.

Regards,
Andrei
--=20
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(Albert Einstein)

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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:41:59 -0800
From: cls@truffula.sj.ca.us
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: exim - what is it? (how does it run)
Message-ID: <slrnflguln.tha.spambait@truffula.sj.ca.us>

[This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.]
In article <9xe2j-oG-3@gated-at.bofh.it>, Bob Goldberg wrote:
>

> i've spent DAYS trying to get exim to work to no avail.


In that case, don't use Exim.  I'm not being sarcastic.
It's not a put-down.  Exim isn't as arcane as Sendmail,
but I found it much more difficult to learn to configure
than Postfix.  Exim has a friendly support group.  When I was using
Exim, they answered questions for me about fairly
routine things, and I went back to see if I'd overlooked
that stuff in the manual, and it wasn't there.
"Drivers" and "Routers" that weren't mentioned at all.
Maybe it's better now.

If you're just running a workstation, msmtp and fetchmail might
be all you need.  If you need the things you can do with
Exim, you can probably do them more easily with Postfix.
When I bailed on Exim I switched to Qmail.  That was a mistake
I have documented elsewhere.
http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/416#comment_6
> so let me start at the beginning.

>

> What exactly IS exim?


A message transport agent.  See RFC2821.
A large set-UID root binary.  Compiled C code.
When the mail is directed towards your domain, it's an
SMTP server.  When you're sending, it's an SMTP client.
Like most MTAs, it is also a simple mail delivery agent.
But you could use Procmail for that.


>

> IOW: when I setup sendmail, I'm working with bash scripts.

>

> when I setup an exim conf file - what exactly runs it? perl?


It's a special language peculiar to Exim.


Cameron



Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 01:21:25 +0200
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards
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On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 01:08:47PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

> Totally OT, except it's on my debian box ;)

>=20

> If you need that amazingly insightful gift for someone (yourself?)
> this year, check out www.clickykeyboards.com for real IBM
> keyboards. Mine just arrived and I'm in heaven.=20

>=20

> I hate to bump a commercial enterprise like that, but I know many of
> you do lots of typing...=20


Wow, I used to have those at work. They are really great and probably=20
indestructible, but not really useful for a laptop user ... I wonder=20
what happened to them when we replaced them. Hhmm, maybe I can still=20
find one.

Regards,
Andrei
--=20
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)

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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:36:42 -0800
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards
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On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 01:21:25AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 01:08:47PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > Totally OT, except it's on my debian box ;)
> >=20
> > If you need that amazingly insightful gift for someone (yourself?)
> > this year, check out www.clickykeyboards.com for real IBM
> > keyboards. Mine just arrived and I'm in heaven.=20
> >=20
> > I hate to bump a commercial enterprise like that, but I know many of
> > you do lots of typing...=20

>=20

> Wow, I used to have those at work. They are really great and probably=20
> indestructible, but not really useful for a laptop user ... I wonder=20
> what happened to them when we replaced them. Hhmm, maybe I can still=20
> find one.


I"ve been typing on mine for a couple hours now and it's
fantastic. The sound takes me back. And once you adjust to an
ever-so-slightly-different key spacing, it's a breeze. I swear I'm
typing faster with fewer mistakes. And definitely less fatigue.

Finding an old one lying around would definitely be a score.

They only weigh about 5 pounds, why not get a ps/2-usb adaptor and
carry one with the laptop?

A

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Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:29:14 +0000
From: andy <geek_show@dsl.pipex.com>
To: Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Preferred Backup Method?
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Paul Cartwright wrote:

> On Thu December 6 2007, David Brodbeck wrote:
>   

>>> The installer acts as a weed-eater: it weeds out users who don't read
>>> the docs.  If you don't read, the partioner will kill you.
>>>       
>> At least it doesn't require a pocket calculator anymore.  When I  
>> first installed it you had to manually calculate cylinder boundaries!
>>
>> OpenBSD is fun, secure, and interesting, but they don't make a secret  
>> of being newbie-hostile
>>     
>

> I don't know about newbie hostile, but I would say it is definitely a UNIX 
> guru environment.. just trying to download was a frustrating 30 minutes. 
> there was no "*.iso" like 99.999% of the other distros use. Then it took me a 
> while to figure out if it was even going to install/run an X environment. 
> Don't even ask about a LiveCD..:)
>  and I've installed UNIX from 36 floppy disks!

>
>

>   

I can't say anything about OBSD as a back-up, but as a firewall it 
certainly kicks ass! One version or another has been running under my 
desk for a few years' now, just bare bones, no X, and with a pf rule-set 
config file guarding my LAN and it just purrs along - low maintenance de 
luxe! And resilient, despite power outages and my own cock ups, it just 
bounces back. I'm looking to upgrade soon and will probably buy the CD 
set to support the team. Small price to pay for rock solid network 
security and stability.


A

-- 

"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers." - Thomas Pynchon, "Gravity's Rainbow"



Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:48:36 +0000
From: Bill Smith <bill@rakupottery.org.uk>
To: Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Preferred Backup Method?
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Paul Cartwright wrote:

> On Thu December 6 2007, David Brodbeck wrote:
>   

>>> The installer acts as a weed-eater: it weeds out users who don't read
>>> the docs.  If you don't read, the partioner will kill you.
>>>       
>> At least it doesn't require a pocket calculator anymore.  When I  
>> first installed it you had to manually calculate cylinder boundaries!
>>
>> OpenBSD is fun, secure, and interesting, but they don't make a secret  
>> of being newbie-hostile
>>     
>

> I don't know about newbie hostile, but I would say it is definitely a UNIX 
> guru environment.. just trying to download was a frustrating 30 minutes. 
> there was no "*.iso" like 99.999% of the other distros use. Then it took me a 
> while to figure out if it was even going to install/run an X environment. 
> Don't even ask about a LiveCD..:)
>  and I've installed UNIX from 36 floppy disks!
>   


Please do ask about a live cd
quoted from comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc:

I am pleased to announce LiveCD/LiveDVD image updates:                          
                                                                                
4.2-release for i386 is now available.  There is a bug with the XFCE image,     
so that is still 4.1.                                                           
                                                                                
amd64 architecture will follow within the next few weeks.                       
                                                                                
www.jggimi.homeip.net 

some interesting stuff there


>

>   



-- 
Bill


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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:36:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Javi <javibarroso@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Debian installer support on apt-cacher-ng
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apt-cacher-ng 0.1.7 and newer supports debian installer

Thanks to Eduard



Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:32:48 -0600
From: Jonathan <jonathan@onyourmark.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Debian resolves unkown hosts to itself
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Hello,

I have an odd thing happening with DNS. When I do something like:

    $ nslookup va.med.gov.
    Server:        206.141.193.55
    Address:    206.141.193.55#53

    ** server can't find va.med.gov: NXDOMAIN


Makes sense, right. But when I ping va.med.gov from the same server, it 
seems to resolve to the public ip of the box Im pinging from.

    # ping va.med.gov

    PING mydomain.com (1.2.3.4) 56(84) bytes of data.
    64 bytes from host.mydomain.com (1.2.3.4): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64
    time=0.013 ms


    --- mydomain.com ping statistics ---
    3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2002ms
    rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.006/0.008/0.013/0.004 ms



1.2.3.4 is the public IP of the machine I'm pinging from. va.med.gov is 
in no way affiliated with my domain.

/etc/resolv.conf looks like:

    search mydomain.com
    nameserver 4.2.2.2


Any ideas?

Thanks in advance!



Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:20:46 -0600
From: Nate Bargmann <n0nb@networksplus.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards
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* Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> [2007 Dec 06 17:42 -0600]:


> Finding an old one lying around would definitely be a score.


Several years ago I wisely snapped up several at a ham radio swapmeet. 
I have also stashed several from work of the classic IBM PS/2
keyboards.  


> They only weigh about 5 pounds, why not get a ps/2-usb adaptor and
> carry one with the laptop?


I have a bit of trouble with mine and the PS/2 to USB adaptor at work. 
Upon a cold boot I have to unplug the cable from the rear of the
keyboard and plug it back in.  If the laptop has been in suspend, XP
will never see it again.  :-/

- Nate >>

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