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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2974

Today's Topics: 

  aptitude crashing x?                  [ joseph lockhart  ]
  Re: OT: SATA Backplanes drivebays an  [ "Douglas A. Tutty" 

Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:12:49 -0800 (PST)
From: joseph lockhart <jwl_andlovesaidno@yahoo.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: aptitude crashing x?

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strange, every morning i run two aptitude commands
from the command line



aptitude update and aptitude full-upgrade



lately on running the full upgrade x crashes, well i
shouldn't say crashes, the system goes through its
normal reboot (first time it left me going huh), no
error message in system log


Do you need help?X

version is aptitude 0.4.6.1



this occurs on both my etch and kubuntu 7.10 installs
so i am fairly sure it is not a distro problem



thanks in advance for any thoughts



jwlockhart



Registered Linux User #458799


this user is penguin powered



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Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:03:48 -0200


From: Cassiano Bertol Leal <cassianoleal@gmail.com>
To:  debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Where are lenny weekly build CD ISOs?

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Do you need more help?X

David Fox wrote:

> On 12/6/07, Cassiano Bertol Leal <cassianoleal@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> All -cd directories under
>> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/ are empty... The
>> - -dvd ones are there. Are the CDs not being generated?
> 
> I just went there. And the CD images/jigdo/torrent files are missing,
> at least on the i386 architecture. On the other hand, they're present
> for mips and arm, and missing (even dvd's) from amd64. So it looks
> like maybe the process didn't complete?
> 
> Try again next week (or this week?).
> 
> 


 Nope... Still empty. Maybe I'll follow your advice and just try again
next week.



Thanks, anyway.


Cassiano Leal

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Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:41:21 -0800 (PST)
From: joseph lockhart <jwl_andlovesaidno@yahoo.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Konqueror - can no longer use ctrl-T to open blank tabs

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>Further to the attached post, I now discover that I
>can no longer open=20
>in Konqueror any html files.  What I get instead of
>a document in html,
>=20
>format I get a plain text document including all the
>html codes.
>
>I discovered that this fault and the inability to
>open tabs with ctrl-t
>=20
>only happen when I am on my user.  If I open any
>other user in the same
>=20
>box, Konqueror behaves normally.
>


I would guess (at least on the second problem) that it
is probably a setting that is off. try view (menu),
view mode, khtml to get back to viewing html



for creating a new tab check in settings, configure
shrotcuts, it is about half way down the list but it
should be there     =20



good luck



jwlockhart


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Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:55:55 -0500


From: Paul Cartwright <ale@pcartwright.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Preferred Backup Method?


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On Thu December 6 2007, Bill Smith wrote:

> I am pleased to announce LiveCD/LiveDVD image updates: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0

> =A0 =A0 =A0  4.2-release for i386 is now available. =A0There is a bug wit=

h the XFCE

> image, so that is still 4.1.  amd64 architecture will follow within the
> next few weeks.  www.jggimi.homeip.net

wow, amazing how much larger the KDE implementation is than all the others.=
=2E=20


almost 50% larger than gnome, and more than twice the size of XFCE..



=2D-=20


Paul Cartwright


Registered Linux user # 367800


Registered Ubuntu User #12459



Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:42:30 -0500


From: Michael Pobega <pobega@gmail.com>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: aptitude crashing x?


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On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 04:12:49AM -0800, joseph lockhart wrote:

> strange, every morning i run two aptitude commands from the command
> line
>=20
> aptitude update and aptitude full-upgrade
>=20
> lately on running the full upgrade x crashes, well i shouldn't say
> crashes, the system goes through its normal reboot (first time it left
> me going huh), no error message in system log
>=20
> version is aptitude 0.4.6.1
>=20
> this occurs on both my etch and kubuntu 7.10 installs so i am fairly
> sure it is not a distro problem
>=20
> thanks in advance for any thoughts
>=20
> jwlockhart
>=20

=46rom what I remember you're generally not supposed to run any sort of
updates while in an X environment; If I were you I'd quit X and change
to TTY1 before administering any changes (Especially if the changes are
X.org or libX related)



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programs, by the same token they deserve to be punished if they
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Confused? Frustrated?X

Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:39:52 -0500


From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: OT: SATA Backplanes drivebays and caddies

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On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 02:52:28AM -0500, John Miller wrote:

> Nate Duehr wrote:
> >> Bob wrote:
> >>> Sorry for the OT post but I know a few round here are well informed
> >>> on the storage industry.
> >>>
> >>> I'm just about to migrate a bunch of PCs to SATA from IDE as the IDE
> >>> drive caddies are failing [0] and I already have my server and a few
> >>> PCs using SATA, what I'm looking for is a drivebay / backplane
> >>> manufacturer that has 5, 4, 3 and 1 slot internal bays available
> >>> that use the *same* tray / housing / caddie.
> >>>
> >>> The tray / housing / caddie doesn't have to be rugged [1] or cover
> >>> the whole drive, it would just be *really* convenient to be able to
> >>> move drives around at will.
> >>>
> >>> My search (below) hasn't helped much, has anyone round here got any
> >>> suggestions?
> >>> sata "removable (disk | drive | harddrive) (caddy | bay | drawer |
> >>> tray)"  single multi
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> [0] I think all ATA removable bays take a bunch of liberties with
> >>> the standard anyway and these were cheap and are old
> >>> [1] which I suppose by definition means it's not a caddie
> >> <fx> crickets, cicadas and frogs </fx>
> >> Alternatively if you can think of a better forum for this post a link
> >> would also be appreciated.
> >
> > The folks on the Debian-ISP list probably deal with this type of
> > hardware quite a bit more than the average Debian home user on the
> > main user list?
> 
> Forwarding this to debian-isp, but I'll try to answer in the meantime. 
> Are your PCs rackmount, server-class towers, or regular consumer cases? 
> The servers I've worked with have all had their caddies and backplanes
> provided by the case manufacturer; all the caddies have been
> interchangeable, but not between server/case manufacturers.  I've not
> seen a server case manufacturer that also makes a single-drive hotswap
> bay.  I haven't seen a desktop case with built-in hotswap, either.
> 
> >From Googling around, I found cooldrives.com, which advertises external
> drive enclosures.  Perhaps something like that's an option for you? 
> Also looks like Thermaltake makes a single-drive SATA hotswap bay, which
> could be useful  Good luck to you in your search!
> 

Also look at addonics.com



Doug.



Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:43:19 -0500


From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: aptitude crashing x?

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On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 04:12:49AM -0800, joseph lockhart wrote:

> strange, every morning i run two aptitude commands
> from the command line
> 
> aptitude update and aptitude full-upgrade
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I've never heard of the full-upgrade option; what does it do?



(other than cause your computer to reboot?) :)



Doug.



Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:45:28 -0500


From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Preferred Backup Method?

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On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 07:55:55AM -0500, Paul Cartwright wrote:

> On Thu December 6 2007, Bill Smith wrote:
> > I am pleased to announce LiveCD/LiveDVD image updates: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> > ? ? ?  4.2-release for i386 is now available. ?There is a bug with the XFCE
> > image, so that is still 4.1.  amd64 architecture will follow within the
> > next few weeks.  www.jggimi.homeip.net
> 
> wow, amazing how much larger the KDE implementation is than all the others.. 
> almost 50% larger than gnome, and more than twice the size of XFCE..

They'll all be larger than a non-GUI OpenBSD since regular OBSD doesn't
have all the cruft (compiled against extra libs) that a linux system
does.  Any GUI then brings in far more libs than on linux.



Doug.


Do you need help?X

Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:06:39 +0100


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Is it exist a mailing-list for console only users ?
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Am 2007-12-01 03:20:25, schrieb s. keeling:

> Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>:
> > > Usenet News has plenty of non-X related groups.  comp.unix.shell might
> > > be to your liking, or one of the Debian related alt groups.
> >=20
> >  The problem is, that NOT ALL users can read usenet...
>=20
> http://groups.google.com, for searching, not posting.

Too expensive... I am On-Line via GSM



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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:22:28 +0100


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: SUDO


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Am 2007-12-03 12:26:04, schrieb Michael Pobega:

> On Mon, Dec 03, 2007 at 11:10:44AM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> > 2. There's the (very) slight psychological reminder that you're potenti=

ally=20

> > doing dangerous things when you have to take the extra step of typing=

=20

> > "sudo" before a command.
>=20
> I suppose that may be true, but personally I see the # instead of the >,
> and I don't have any colouring setup on my root's terminal to remind me
> that I'm logged in as root.

Right, I do this too...  coloring PS1 can give you problems if
you need to do trouble shooting and the screen is screwing up...



Using b/w terminal is warning enough.



=2E..and if I open a XTerm with su-too-root, then I have configured
it to be RED (!!!) so if I forget to close an iconifies XTerm,
the Icon is RED too.


> > 3. "sudo" automagically handles X permissions, whereas "su" does not.
> Does it really? I always thought it didn't and that's why we have
> gksu/gksudo, but I could be wrong.

"gksu" is no crap, since it requires a bunch (38 MByte) of GNOME
libs where I do not use any GNOME/KDE bloatware...



Thanks, Greetings and nice Day


    Michelle Konzack


    Tamay Dogan Network


    Open Hardware Developer


    Debian GNU/Linux Consultant



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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:40:32 +0100


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: SUDO


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Am 2007-12-04 01:24:16, schrieb Ron Johnson:

> udev is very important to modern SCSI-heavy kernels, since the SCSI
> subsystem has always had the irksome habit of renaming existing
> devices if a new devices is added.

Yeah...  I had to replace a broken Raid1 using hotfix and now my
/dev/sd?xx are sccrewed up. OK, back to the working HDD from the
Raid1 and used "tune2fs" to label the two Raid1 and the two Raid5...



Then changed /etc/lilo.conf fo use label


proc       /proc              proc  defaults                    0  0
/dev/sda2  none               swap  sw                          0  0

Confused? Frustrated?X

/dev/sda1  /                  ext3  defaults,errors=3Dremount-ro  0  1
/dev/sda3  /tmp               ext3  defaults                    0  2
/dev/sda4  /var/log           ext3  defaults                    0  2
/dev/sdb1  /var/lib/postgres  ext3  defaults                    0  2
/dev/sdc1  /var/lib/courier   ext3  defaults                    0  2
/dev/sdd1  /home_maildirs     ext3  defaults                    0  2


Now I have


proc           /proc             proc defaults                   0 0
LABEL=3Dswap     none              swap sw                         0 0
LABEL=3Droot     /                 ext3 defaults,errors=3Dremount-ro 0 1
LABEL=3Dtemp     /tmp              ext3 defaults                   0 2
LABEL=3Dlog      /var/log          ext3 defaults                   0 2
LABEL=3Dpostgres /var/lib/postgres ext3 defaults                   0 2
LABEL=3Dcourier  /var/lib/courier  ext3 defaults                   0 2
LABEL=3Dmaildirs /home_maildirs    ext3 defaults                   0 2


After a reboot with three new Drives (replaced /dev/sda) it
now works with any problems even if they are now "/dev/sdc".



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    Michelle Konzack


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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:28:23 +0100


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: SUDO


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Am 2007-12-03 14:15:10, schrieb Michael Pobega:

> Perhaps that would be a better approach, how would I go about doing
> that? I've no clue how to grant rw access to the SDL framebuffer, which
> is why I didn't try it that way (That was the first thought to cross my
> mind)
Do you need help?X

as root:



    chmod 750            /dev/<sdl_fb>


    chgrp <sdl_fb_group> /dev/<sdl_fb>



    addgroup games <sdl_fb_group>



    adduser <you> games




Thanks, Greetings and nice Day


    Michelle Konzack


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    Open Hardware Developer


    Debian GNU/Linux Consultant




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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:47:12 +0100


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


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Am 2007-12-04 09:26:46, schrieb NN_il_Confusionario:

> yes, this is useful. But for mounting drives this is also solved without
> udev by mounting filesystems by labels, uuids [or by lvm devices since
> it is very likely that one uses LVM evms or similar on scsi drives,
> since (apart other advantages of LVM/evms) the limit sda1 to sda15 for
> scsi devices].=20

Do you realy need 15 partitions on a singel drive?


Can't find what you're looking for?X

Before I do such stuff, I put a new SCSI-Drive into the system, and then
recalculate, which partitions from the previous drive can be put onto
the new drive... then I do the partitioning and copy the stuff of all
partitions I do not need anymore from the first drive to the new drive
do a repartitioning on the first drive and copy the stuff back to it.



Since I have gotten several times problems with LVM because files went
bigger then one volume I prefer to install singel partitions of 300
GByte or build a Raid5 with 600 (3 HDDs), 900 (4 HDDs), 1200 (5 HDDs)
or more GBytes...



Thanks, Greetings and nice Day


    Michelle Konzack


    Tamay Dogan Network


    Open Hardware Developer


    Debian GNU/Linux Consultant




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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:52:10 +0100


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: I have a problem with Courier Imap
Message-ID: <20071206025210.GL10709@freenet.de>
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Am 2007-12-03 08:08:33, schrieb Nevruz Mesut Sahin:

>=20
> I have problem with installing  Courier Imap . when I try to install
>  courier-imap-pop3-1.5.3-5.i386.rpm but it conflicts  Cyrus Sasl and needs
                                 ^^^^



    I can not recommend the installation of a FC rpm on a Debian System



Thanks, Greetings and nice Day


    Michelle Konzack


    Tamay Dogan Network


    Open Hardware Developer


    Debian GNU/Linux Consultant




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Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 04:01:23 +0100


From: Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: OT: Socket A motherboard


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Am 2007-12-03 19:25:01, schrieb Ron Johnson:

> And *none* will have SATA.
Call Pantek today for Open Source Technical Support at 1-877-546-8934 - 24/7/365X

AsusTek A7V600-X has two PATA and two SATA ports...



Unfortunatly my Hitachi 320 GByte (SATA2) does not work in the VIA
Controller but my 4 SATA1 drives.



Q:  Anyone with 2 Socket A CPUs here which do not need them anymore?


    I have 2 mainboards with 3 GByte but no CPU because they are gone...
    (the summer was too hot)


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    I am located in Strasbourg/France and Have currently not the money
    to buy a new ensemble of MB, CPU and memory...  (now I run two Dual
    P2/366 for the moment...  grrr - not realy performant)



Thanks, Greetings and nice Day


    Michelle Konzack


    Tamay Dogan Network


    Open Hardware Developer


    Debian GNU/Linux Consultant




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Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/

##################### Debian GNU/Linux Consultant #####################
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                   50, rue de Soultz         MSN LinuxMichi


0033/6/61925193    67100 Strasbourg/France   IRC #Debian (irc.icq.com)


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