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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2978

Today's Topics:

  Re: how do you convert Windows User   [ "Dotan Cohen"  ]
  Re: why does the shell show commands  [ T o n g  ]
  Re: how do you convert Windows User   [ "Kelly Clowers"  ]
  Re: FAQ about encrypting harddrive u  [ Ron Johnson  ]
  Re: OT: SATA Backplanes drivebays an  [ Bob  ]
  laptop brigtness up/down buttons iss  [ Deephay  ]
  Re: how to get debian.org to accept   [ Marc Shapiro  ]
  konqueror won't start                 [ Bogdan Marian  ]

Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 02:54:17 +0200
From: "Dotan Cohen" <dotancohen@gmail.com> To: Joe <joe@jretrading.com>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: how do you convert Windows User to Linux

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Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:56:14 -0600
From: Kent West <westk@acu.edu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: how do you convert Windows User to Linux

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Do you need help?

tekant ozer wrote:
> The system is old. Dual PIII with 440M/B. Dual Hotswap PSU. about
> 730Mb ECC. Dell Perf Quad 64bit Raid with 128Mb daughterBrd. 5 SCSI in
> Hotswp Cage. TapeDrv, DVD, floppy etc..
> No problem with Hardware except wireless card. godd**n Airlink 101
> card . There was a limited wireless no support for this card at that
> time. I tried some generic drivers which I found on some linux sites.
> I dont know how is it now.
>
> Then I needed Remoteadmin program like Famatech's Remote
> Administrator. something let me to see remote desktop visually (from
> windows machine).
>
> last problem was multiple-choice-linux's itsef. many desktop, many
> tool "where is that button?. I used it before. wait im confused. it
> was another program to do same thing. this is better for that but
> other was better for this". I usually go far from my target while I
> was finding/trying/reading.
>
> Now I need some advices.
> - which wireless? should I throw the card. or different linux is a
> solution. ( or maybe piece of cake with newest Debian release should
> I try it again? )

I'd burn a Knoppix or Kubuntu LiveCD and boot off of it to see if it picks up your wireless (I doubt Knoppix will; Kubuntu _might_; wireless is generally a pain no matter what). That might give you a good feel for how well your hardware will be supported by the newer versions of Debian.

As far as remote administration goes, ssh or remote X sessions do fine for a lot of people. You're probably expecting to remote-control the same desktop you'd see while sitting at the computer itself, which I believe is possible, but I've never done. The *nix way of doing it is usually to have a local session (X or text) and a remote session (X or text).

Sorry I don't know off the top of my head if your wireless card will work with Debian. If no one replies within a few hours on this list, your best bet might be to google for your card and debian and/or linux. Generally you're more interested in the wireless card's chipset than in the model number and brand name.

-- 
Kent

Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:22:45 +0000 (UTC) From: T o n g <mlist4suntong@yahoo.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: why does the shell show commands foolishly when I press UP key? Message-ID: <fjegcl$lam$1@ger.gmane.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:09:35 +0100, Misko wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2007 at 10:49:49PM -0800, cls@truffula.sj.ca.us wrote:
>>=20
>> > I often use UP key to get commands entered previously. The shell sho=
w some commands again and
>> > again, just because I have used them several times. Can the shell be=
more smart?
>=20
> Put this line into .bashrc:
>=20
> export HISTCONTROL=3Dignoredups
Mine is=20 export HISTCONTROL=3Dignoreboth Even more cleaner.=20 --=20 Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/ http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/

Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:17:20 -0800 From: "Kelly Clowers" <kelly.clowers@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: how do you convert Windows User to Linux Message-ID: <1840f6970712071517v62d1396eq1a294c191e6dbd4f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Dec 7, 2007 1:22 PM, tekant ozer <tekant@yahoo.com> wrote: <snip>
> No problem with Hardware except wireless card. godd**n Airlink 101 card .
> There was a limited wireless no support for this card at that time. I tried
> some generic drivers which I found on some linux sites. I dont know how is
> it now.
What model is your card? Different cards from the same company may use different chips, and that is what determines if it is supported.
> Then I needed Remoteadmin program like Famatech's Remote Administrator.
> something let me to see remote desktop visually (from windows machine).
For remote admin, many Linux users, including myself, use SSH (Putty on Windows) . If you want a GUI, there are several choices, including remote desktop, VNC, and my favorite, NX. NoMachine's NX uses the X protocol and compresses and encrypts it. <snip>
> - which desktop, which web, tools? Or should I forget desktop desktop,
> visual everything and go for old style Telnet? I want minimal configuration.
> so I need advice about package content.
A minimal server config would usually mean just the command line (and SSH not Telnet). For many people getting started in Linux, that is intimidating. You could try a minimal Window Manager, like IceWM or Fluxbox. It really depends on what you want out of it. Cheers, Kelly Clowers

Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:22:28 -0800 (PST) From: tekant ozer <tekant@yahoo.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: how do you convert Windows User to Linux Message-ID: <198284.58817.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-693092286-1197062548=:58817" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --0-693092286-1197062548=:58817 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Im a Windows user. just bit acquaintance with Linux from Univ years. My c= omputer background is not bad. Ive been usin it since Commodore64 and DOS= years. Couple of times attempted for Linux but its very confusing.. Last year I wanted to setup a personal Web server in my attic. I wanted = to install Debian and Apache but I gave up and turn to Windows. now server 2000 and IIS working. ( Why Debian? I like its name, also my friend recommended many years ago)= =20 There is couple of reason. if you can help me, maybe you can make me a L= inux user The system is old. Dual PIII with 440M/B. Dual Hotswap PSU. about 730Mb E= CC. Dell Perf Quad 64bit Raid with 128Mb daughterBrd. 5 SCSI in Hotswp Ca= ge. TapeDrv, DVD, floppy etc.. No problem with Hardware except wireless card. godd**n Airlink 101 card = . There was a limited wireless no support for this card at that time. I t= ried some generic drivers which I found on some linux sites. I dont know = how is it now. Then I needed Remoteadmin program like Famatech's Remote Administrator. s= omething let me to see remote desktop visually (from windows machine). last problem was multiple-choice-linux's itsef. many desktop, many tool = "where is that button?. I used it before. wait im confused. it was anothe= r program to do same thing. this is better for that but other was better = for this". I usually go far from my target while I was finding/trying/rea= ding. Now I need some advices. - which wireless? should I throw the card. or different linux is a soluti= on. ( or maybe piece of cake with newest Debian release should I try it = again? ) -is there any easy to use remote admin desktop solution which accept me t= o reach from windows platform to Linux ? - which desktop, which web, tools? Or should I forget desktop desktop, vi= sual everything and go for old style Telnet? I want minimal configuration= . so I need advice about package content. briefly thats the story .Thanks for your patience. waiting for you advice= s =20 --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Searc= h. --0-693092286-1197062548=:58817 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Im a Windows user. just bit acquaintance with Linux from Univ years= . My computer background is not bad. Ive been usin it since Commodore64 a= nd DOS years. Couple of times attempted for Linux but its very confusi= ng.. Last year I wanted to setup a personal Web server in my attic= .  I wanted to install Debian and Apache but I gave up and turn to W= indows. now server 2000 and IIS working. ( Why Debian? I like its n= ame, also my friend recommended many years ago) There is couple of re= ason. if  you can help me, maybe you can make me a Linux user <br=
>The system is old. Dual PIII with 440M/B. Dual Hotswap PSU. about 730Mb =
ECC. Dell Perf Quad 64bit Raid with 128Mb daughterBrd. 5 SCSI in Hotswp C= age. TapeDrv, DVD, floppy etc.. No problem with Hardware except wirele= ss card. godd**n Airlink 101 card  . There was a limited wireless no= support for this card at that time. I tried some generic drivers which I= found on some linux sites. I dont know  how is it now. Then I needed Remoteadmin program like = Famatech's Remote Administrator. something let me to see remote desktop v= isually (from windows machine). last problem was multiple-choice-l= inux's itsef. many desktop, many tool  "where is that button?. I use= d it before. wait im confused. it was another program to do same thing. t= his is better for that but other was better for this". I usually go far f= rom my target while I was finding/trying/reading. Now I need some = advices. - which wireless? should I throw the card. or different linux= is a solution.  ( or maybe piece of cake with newest Debian release= should I try it again? ) -is there any easy to use remote admin d= esktop solution which accept me to reach from windows platform to Linux ?= - which desktop, which web, tools? Or should I forget desktop des= ktop, visual everything and go for old style Telnet? I want minimal confi= guration. so I need advice about package content. briefly thats the story .Thanks for your patienc= e. waiting for you advices <hr size=3D1>Looking for last minute shopping deals? <a href=3D"htt= p://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=3D51734/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/= category.php?category=3Dshopping">=20 Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.</a> --0-693092286-1197062548=:58817--

Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:45:25 -0600 From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: FAQ about encrypting harddrive using key on USB key? Message-ID: <475AD835.1040601@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/08/07 01:30, Peter Kay wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm trying to become a new debian user, and am still kinda fuzzy on
> where the best place to go for FAQs and help are, so bear with me...
>
> I'm trying to set up my laptop with debian on an encrypted / partition
> (and I'll have encrypted swap, too). I would like the encryption key
> to be stored on an encrypted USB drive that can boot enough of the
> system to run debian. So I want to need 2 things to boot: the USB
> stick (which will be bootable and take control from the OS) and a
> passphrase to unencrypt the USB drive.
>
> I had found a FAQ on how to do this a long time ago, but my desktop
> died, so I lost the link. Searching recently, I found what seemed to be
> an appropriate link to it (using google) on http://debianhelp.org/, but that
> website seemed to be down, so I'm not sure where to go.
>
> In the meantime, of course, the cat ate my power cable (again), so my
> laptop is currently DOA and I lost my 1st attempt to post this, but once
> I get a replacement adapter, I'd like to get debian up and running!
>
> Does anyone know of a mirror to debianhelp.org, or what happened to it?
>
> Is there a different FAQ I should be using?
>
> Thanks all, and I hope to soon join you in debian-land.
http://luks.endorphin.org/ Install cryptsetup and read /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup/CryptoRoot.HowTo. Slightly OT, but do you *really* need /boot, /usr, /bin, etc, to be encrypted? ISTM that only /home, /tmp & swap files/partitions (and /var?) need be partitioned. That way, you could still boot the machine and do maintenance if you misplaced your dongle. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "Your mistletoe is no match for my TOW missile." Santa-bot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHWtg0S9HxQb37XmcRAqQuAJ4pyHVoxZOsFuwjOwrF9/xYuFq2hgCgiU07 Npaiu9s9AenYIphLMjUyfZg= =Ivaw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Do you need more help?

Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:09:48 +0800 From: Bob <spam@homeurl.co.uk> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org CC: debian-isp@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: OT: SATA Backplanes drivebays and caddies Message-ID: <475A352C.3020108@homeurl.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Miller wrote:
> Nate Duehr wrote:
>
>>> Bob wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry for the OT post but I know a few round here are well informed
>>>> on the storage industry.
>>>>
>>>> I'm just about to migrate a bunch of PCs to SATA from IDE as the IDE
>>>> drive caddies are failing [0] and I already have my server and a few
>>>> PCs using SATA, what I'm looking for is a drivebay / backplane
>>>> manufacturer that has 5, 4, 3 and 1 slot internal bays available
>>>> that use the *same* tray / housing / caddie.
>>>>
>>>> The tray / housing / caddie doesn't have to be rugged [1] or cover
>>>> the whole drive, it would just be *really* convenient to be able to
>>>> move drives around at will.
>>>>
>>>> My search (below) hasn't helped much, has anyone round here got any
>>>> suggestions?
>>>> sata "removable (disk | drive | harddrive) (caddy | bay | drawer |
>>>> tray)" single multi
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> [0] I think all ATA removable bays take a bunch of liberties with
>>>> the standard anyway and these were cheap and are old
>>>> [1] which I suppose by definition means it's not a caddie
>>>>
>>> <fx> crickets, cicadas and frogs </fx>
>>> Alternatively if you can think of a better forum for this post a link
>>> would also be appreciated.
>>>
>> The folks on the Debian-ISP list probably deal with this type of
>> hardware quite a bit more than the average Debian home user on the
>> main user list?
>>
>
> Forwarding this to debian-isp, but I'll try to answer in the meantime.
>
Thanks for that, I'll check that list on the gooja view thingy
> Are your PCs rackmount, server-class towers, or regular consumer cases?
> The servers I've worked with have all had their caddies and backplanes
> provided by the case manufacturer; all the caddies have been
> interchangeable, but not between server/case manufacturers. I've not
> seen a server case manufacturer that also makes a single-drive hotswap
> bay. I haven't seen a desktop case with built-in hotswap, either.
>
I'm using a variety of consumer cases so I'm talking about the units that slide into the CDRom bays, there are lots of them about but most seem to do 3, 4 & 5 bay jobs that take up 2 or 3 half height drive bays and utilise slim trays OR single drive bays that use a rugged enclosure that isn't interchangeable with anything.
> >From Googling around, I found cooldrives.com, which advertises external
> drive enclosures. Perhaps something like that's an option for you?
> Also looks like Thermaltake makes a single-drive SATA hotswap bay, which
> could be useful Good luck to you in your search!
>
Cooldrives came up in my search as well and I could go external but for the moment I'd rather not, our file server and my PC has 10 half height bays (the whole front is CDRom bays) and various workstations have between 3 and 5 bays, it just occurred to me that a lot of admin, tasks would be so much easer if I could put any drive in any box. Down \/ there Joe put me onto www.startech.com who have a tray less system in 4 , 3 & 1 bay varieties which, assuming I can find them in Singapore, will be perfect. Thanks for you help.

Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 00:32:39 +0800 From: Deephay <tudoxxx@gmail.com> To: "Debian User List" <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: laptop brigtness up/down buttons issue Message-ID: <9a9df61d0712080832pebd498m73d9a43ac34f1dc6@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Greetings all, Recently I installed debian on a HP Compaq Presario V3646 laptop, everything went ok, except that the brightness adjustment buttons (Fn+F6/F7) behave strangely: if you made some brightness adjustment in X, you have to switch to a tty and then switch back to X to make the adjustment effective (same situation in tty, in BIOS and Windows it is OK). Anyone experienced similar problem? problem related to keycodes? thanks! Cheers, Deephay

Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:32:59 -0800 From: Marc Shapiro <mshapiro_42@yahoo.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: how to get debian.org to accept my yahoo.com email Message-ID: <475AFF7B.1000808@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Mark wrote:
> Hi debian-users,
> my ISP is verizon which uses yahoo.com for sending email. Recently my
> email from my .verizon.net account is not being shown on any
> .debian.org list. From what I understand debian.org does not want to
> receive any of my email because my mail is sent through yahoo.com
> which rfc-ignorant.org has listed as a spammer. I don't think there is
> anything I can do to stop yahoo from being a spammer. So can I get
> Debian to stop using the service of rfc-ignorant.org (I assume not)?
> Would the debian-whitelist fix this? Any suggestions?
> Kev
If you are reading this reply then it is evidence that Debian is not blocking Yahoo e-mail addresses, as this is being sent from a Yahoo address and I have been using it, and Debian lists, for several years. -- Marc Shapiro mshapiro_42@yahoo.com

Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 14:55:06 +0100 From: Dirk <noisyb@gmx.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: X fonts broken, again Message-ID: <475BF3BA.5070704@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Who is responsible for breaking the font settings of my X with every update I make? Now I have, again, wrong fonts that have no antialiasing. How can I get anitaliased fonts back? No packages had been de-installed. Just the config must have been broken. Dirk

Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:53:41 +0200 From: Bogdan Marian <mendingo84@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: konqueror won't start Message-ID: <475D6F15.30108@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I'm running Debian Etch -> Nvidia FX 5200. Everything used to work out fine but suddenly, Konqueror won't start... Bogdan

Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:04:11 +1100 From: hce <webmail.hce@gmail.com> To: "Mark Grieveson" <dg135@torfree.net> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Download Opera brower package Message-ID: <95455e980712082004x283a8896yf1d6e87e5c5cb52b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks Mark. That works fine. The only thing when I call the opera from the command line, it has following errors although it still works. Should I concern that error messages or not? ~$ opera ~$ ERROR: ld.so: object 'libjvm.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. ERROR: ld.so: object 'libawt.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. ** Message: plugin_get_value 1 (1) ** Message: plugin_get_value 2 (2) Thank you. Kind Regards, Jim On 12/4/07, Mark Grieveson <dg135@torfree.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:29:22 +0000 (UTC)
> debian-user-digest-request@lists.debian.org wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I tried to install Opera brower packge from the apt-get install, but
> > could not find the package? What am I missing?
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Jim
>
>
> Just add the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list, update, and then
> you'll be able to install opera.
>
> deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ etch non-free
>
> Mark
>
>
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