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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2986

Today's Topics: 

  Re: Replacing HD with Flash IDE driv  [ "Mirco Piccin"  ]
  Re: buying TV card: somewhat OT       [ Bob McGowan  ]
  CoverCD Agreement - Debian            [ Katarzyna Kaczor  ]
  Re: OT: clicky keyboards              [ David Brodbeck  ]
  Re: OT: clicky keyboards              [ Andrew Sackville-West  ]
  Network (LAN) 'lost'                  [ Uwe Dippel  ]
  KDE doesn't connect to HAL            [ Gebhardt Thomas 

Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:05:42 +0100


From: "Mirco Piccin" <pictux@gmail.com>


To: "Amit Uttamchandani" <atu13439@csun.edu>
Cc: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Replacing HD with Flash IDE drive
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Hi!


Do you need help?X
> Anyways, flash based IDE drive would be the solution I am guessing. I am

not really concerned with the size as I am running a fairly

> minimal debian system. So about 4G would be perfect.
>
> So anybody has any experiences with this on Debian? Does the Flash HD

simply look like an IDE drive in debian?



Yes, i've done the same for my home "server".
It's based on a fanless miniitx, and the only noise was the HD.



I use a CF 2 IDE adaptor; CF is recognize as IDE hd and the installation was
done with no problems.


And until now no problems, of course.



Also i use a 4 gb cf.



Only, i don't know if there an adaptor from PowerBook g4 hd connector (sata?
eide?) to cf.


Hope this encourage you!



Bye



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Hi!<br><br>&gt; Anyways, flash based IDE drive would be the solution I am guessing. I
am not really concerned with the size as I am running a fairly<br>&gt; minimal
debian system. So about 4G would be perfect.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; So anybody has any experiences with this on Debian? Does the Flash HD simply look like an IDE drive in debian?<br><br>Yes, i&#39;ve done the same for my home &quot;server&quot;.
<br>It&#39;s based on a fanless miniitx, and the only noise was the HD.<br><br>I use a CF 2 IDE adaptor; CF is recognize as IDE hd and the installation was done with no problems.<br>And until now no problems, of course.<br>
<br>Also i use a 4 gb cf.<br><br>Only, i don&#39;t know if there an adaptor from PowerBook g4 hd connector (sata? eide?) to cf.<br>Hope this encourage you!<br><br>Bye <br>


Do you need more help?X

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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:43:37 -0800


From: Bob McGowan <bob_mcgowan@symantec.com>
To:  debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: buying TV card:  somewhat OT
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Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 03:52:10PM -0800, Bob McGowan wrote:
>> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 08:43:38AM -0500, Scott Lair wrote:
>> ---deleted---
>>> so its not strictly etch. Also, these cards include hardware mpeg
>>> encoding which can be a blessing and a curse, depending on your
>>> situation. 
>>> A
>> Could you expand a bit on the subject of "a blessing and a curse" with 
>> respect to hardware mpeg encoding?
> 
> It's a blessing because having the mpeg encoding performed in hardware
> on the card takes the load off your cpu. You can process more streams
> with less cpu. It's a curse because the streams are compressed before
> you get access to them. Any additional processing you might do will be
> done on data that has already been compressed, leading to degraded
> quality.

I was under the impression that, even with CPU based encoding, the 
recording process went directly to the compressed format.



Does what you say mean that the uncompressed data stream can be stored 
and edited later?  I realize this would mean huge files but it would 
lead to higher quality final copies, as you say.



Or is it a matter of applying "filtering" in the data pipeline?


Can we help you?X
> 
> ymmv.
> 
>> Or, point to a relevant discussion of the issue?
> 
> well, we're having one right now ;-)
> 
>> I've been holding out, waiting for hardware mpeg card support in MythTV 
>> (been a while since I've checked, looks like it may have improved since) 
>> and was not aware of negative issues with it.
> 
> The hardware mpeg support is not in MythTV directly but is in the
> drivers for the particular cards. Many of the Hauppage PVR cards (I
> have two) have been supported by ivtv drivers for at least a couple of
> years. You should be looking for kernel support for the cards, not
> mythtv support. If there is kernel support, then there will be
> /dev/video* devices that mythtv can record from. 
> 
> A

Thanks, very helpful.


-- 
Bob McGowan
Symantec, Inc.

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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:29:17 -0600
From: John Hasler <jhasler@debian.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How Linux becomes Windows
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Sam Leon writes:

> HAL and udev have been standard in all desktops for awhile now.


I don't see how you can say that either is part of any desktop, though
kdebase depends on HAL (gnome-core depends on neither).  Your system will
work fine without either (as will X).  If he removes udev he will have to
do some stuff by hand, but he seems to want that.


> If you truly hate hal maybe you can just not install any desktop and just
> do all your computing through the console.


X is quite useable without any "desktop" and certainly does not require
HAL.  Are you confounding "desktop" and "window mamager"?
-- 
John Hasler



Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:26:19 +0100
From: Katarzyna Kaczor <katarzyna.kaczor@lpmagazine.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: CoverCD Agreement - Debian
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Hello,

My name is Katarzyna Kaczor and I am an editorial assistant in Linux+=20
magazine.=20

The next 2/2008 issue of Linux+ will be devoted to Debian 4.0.=20
Many thanks to all from Linux community who prvided us with articles about=
=20
Debian, its installation, configuration, how-tos, tips&trics etc.=20

Do you mind if we re-distribute your Software with our publication?=20
We would like to feature Debian 4.0 distro on Linux+dvd. Could we also use=
=20
your product logo and graphics? =A0Could you give me the access to download=
 it=20
via FTP.=20

Also, I would like to ask you for sending me a CoverCD Agreement.=20

I look forward on working with you. =A0

Thank you in advance for your kind help.

Kate
=2D-=20
Katarzyna Kaczor
Linux+ DVD magazine
www.lpmagazine.org/en

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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:34:26 -0800
From: PETER EASTHOPE <peasthope@shaw.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: location for user-specified iptable rules in Lenny
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Mumia & others,

At 2007-09-12 11:57:52 -0500 Mumia W. Paduille wrote,
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -s 12.140.16.4 --sport 22 -j REDIRECT --to-port 4122
  & etc.
  
Right oh; thanks.  I have the general picture.  Seems 
that what I aim for might be an instance of port forwarding.

In Lenny, where should a user specify iptable rules?
/etc/init.d/iptables is deprecated?  Ipmasq is running
in the system already.  Should I try to put my rules in 
an ipmasq script?  Should I install another firewall package?

Thanks for all replies,       ... Peter E.

 http://carnot.yi.org/

Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:16:47 -0800
From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu>
To: Debian List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards
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On Dec 10, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

> How about the Atari 800 (or was it the 400?) that had the bare
> membrane. ugh. now that was crap!


Fortunately I never had the displeasure of using one of those.  I did  
have to use an Atari 800XL for a while, at one job.  That one at  
least had real keys, although the touch wasn't any better than on a  
Commodore keyboard.



Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:30:38 -0500
From: Max Hyre <max@hyre.net>
To: Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards
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David Brodbeck wrote:


> Yeah, but for $40 they take the thing apart and clean it before they 
> sell it to you.  That might just be worth every penny, given how 
> disgusting those things get.  I hope the guy who cleans them gets extra 
> danger pay for the biohazard he's exposed to. ;)


    I read some time (years) ago that you could send them 
through the dishwasher.  I never got up the nerve to try 
that, but I sluiced one out in the sink (and I mean 
thoroughly), and after a couple of days drying out it worked 
fine.  The keys no longer stuck, and I didn't have to look 
at the cruft in the crevices.  (Said cruft probably had 
something to do with my habit of eating lunch at my desk.  :-)


		Best wishes,

				Max Hyre



Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:07:34 -0800
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards
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On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 11:16:47AM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:

>
> On Dec 10, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>> How about the Atari 800 (or was it the 400?) that had the bare
>> membrane. ugh. now that was crap!
>
> Fortunately I never had the displeasure of using one of those.  I did hav=

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> to use an Atari 800XL for a while, at one job.  That one at least had rea=

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> keys, although the touch wasn't any better than on a Commodore keyboard.


I can remember typing in hundreds of lines of BASIC on that thing at
my buddy's house. Lucky for me, I had a C-64, so my own hacking was
not so impaired...

A

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Date:  Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:30:46 +0100
From:  Romain Francoise <rfrancoise@debian.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  Re: Gnus and emacs22
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Peter Smerdon <psmerdon@magma.ca> writes:


> Hi, Gnus AFAIK, is included in emacs22 and emacs-snapshot. I think it
> might be the deveopment version called No Gnus, nevertheless, you can
> use this built in Gnus instead of the stand alone package.


In emacs22 the bundled Gnus is version 5.11, based on the stable
5.10 release.

In emacs-snapshot it's version 5.13, which is based on the yet
unreleased Gnus 5.12 (whose development codename is indeed No Gnus).


> PS: thank you Tatsuya Kinoshita and Romain Francoise for providing
> these packages! Now all I need is antialised fonts :-)


You're most welcome.  You just need a little patience.  :)

-- 
Romain Francoise <rfrancoise@debian.org>
http://people.debian.org/~rfrancoise/

Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:18:55 -0800
From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu>
To: Debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards
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On Dec 7, 2007, at 10:27 PM, Nate Duehr wrote:

> Humbug.  If you learned hot to type *properly* on a real IBM  
> Selectric (hint: you never pushed the key down past the "click",  
> certainly never to the stops), using a clicky keyboard today won't  
> cause you carpal tunnel any faster than a squish-box typed on  
> improperly will.  The click was meant to simulate the action of the  
> typewriter ball smacking the paper for those of us who learned how  
> to type on typewriters.


Right, that's the real trick.  The "click" is supposed to cue your  
brain to stop increasing pressure on that key and start pressing the  
next one.  All good keyboards have some kind of tactile feedback  
before the key hits its stop; the IBM "clicky" keyboards have a  
sharper and more defined version of this than most.

I noticed the importance of this pretty early when I realized how  
much faster I could type on an IBM keyboard than on a Apple or  
Commodore.  The keyboards on the latter two machines had no tactile  
feedback -- the keys just bottomed out.  (Although neither was as bad  
as the rubber "chiclet" keys on the PC Jr. ;) )


> To start with, real speed typists raise their hands off the board  
> (the long "wrist rests" on most modern keyboards, especially  
> laptops, simply didn't exist on typewriters -- people also didn't  
> use them on their laps!).  Incorrect technique is far more "risky"  
> than using a "clicky" keyboard.


Uh huh.  I'd go farther and say that those "wrist rests" they sell  
for desktop keyboards are snake oil.  Actually, they're worse than  
snake oil.  They actually encourage carpel tunnel syndrome, by  
tempting people to place their wrists at a sharp angle.  Your wrists  
should be as straight as possible while typing.

I had wrist problems for a while, but it wasn't the fault of any  
piece of hardware I was using -- it was my own lousy posture.



Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:42:06 -0600
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To:  debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards
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On 12/08/07 12:17, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 11:54:57AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> Listening to people sing in Italian (or German) about incest and
>> matricide is not my cup of tea.
> 
> sounds like a python bit


The language or the comedy troop?

Anyway, no one can convince me that opera is nothing more than
pre-television HBO.

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

"Your mistletoe is no match for my TOW missile."  Santa-bot
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Date:  Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:32:47 +0800
From:  Uwe Dippel <udippel@uniten.edu.my>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  Network (LAN) 'lost'
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This morning, at boot, suddenly no LAN. The boot screen already had
some SIOCSIF errors. Solaris booted properly, with LAN.

In a nutshell, eth0 suddenly migrated to eth2, as one and only eth device=
.

Details:

This is what I get from dmesg:
...
ACPI: Processor [CPU1] (supports 16 throttling states)
8139cp: 10/100 PCI Ethernet driver v1.2 (Mar 22, 2004)
8139cp 0000:00:09.0: This (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatib=
le chip
8139cp 0000:00:09.0: Try the "8139too" driver instead.
8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.27
ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:09.0[A] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 169
eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xd800, 00:02:44:90:97:27, IRQ 169
eth0:  Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8100B/8139D'
Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00alpha2
...

And there is no other eth:
$ dmesg | grep eth
eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xd800, 00:02:44:90:97:27, IRQ 169
eth0:  Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8100B/8139D'
$

ifconfig says
# ifconfig
lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
         inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
         inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
         UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
         RX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
         TX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
         collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
         RX bytes:600 (600.0 b)  TX bytes:600 (600.0 b)
#

ifconfig does not 'up' eth0:
# ifconfig eth0 up
eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
#

But it is in there:
# lspci -v
...
00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
       Subsystem: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RT8139
       Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 169
       I/O ports at d800 [size=3D256]
       Memory at febff400 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=3D256]
       Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2

Only "man ifconfig" gave me an idea:
# ifconfig -a
eth2      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:02:44:90:97:27
         BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
         RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
         TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
         collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
         RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
         Interrupt:169 Base address:0xd800

lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
         inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
         inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
         UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
         RX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
         TX packets:12 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
         collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
         RX bytes:600 (600.0 b)  TX bytes:600 (600.0 b)

sit0      Link encap:IPv6-in-IPv4
         NOARP  MTU:1480  Metric:1
         RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
         TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
         collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
         RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
#

And it does work !:
# dhclient eth2
Internet Software Consortium DHCP Client 2.0pl5
Copyright 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 The Internet Software Consortium.
All rights reserved.

Please contribute if you find this software useful.
For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/dhcp-contrib.html

sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
Listening on LPF/eth2/00:02:44:90:97:27
Sending on   LPF/eth2/00:02:44:90:97:27
Sending on   Socket/fallback/fallback-net
DHCPREQUEST on eth2 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
DHCPACK from 192.168.116.200
bound to 192.168.116.101 -- renewal in 432000 seconds.


Now I ask myself WHY !?
How can a properly working system suddenly end up with a strange eth2
instead of eth0 ?
How does an eth0 recognised in dmesg at boot migrate to eth2; on its own =
?
Is this a bug ?


Uwe



Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:33:17 +0100
From: Gebhardt Thomas <gebhardt@hrz.uni-marburg.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: KDE doesn't connect to HAL
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Hi,

I've several (KDE) etch systems that can't access removable devices
attached to the system.

In detail:

When I plug in an usb memory stick, nothing happens. No syslog entries
or whatsoever. But I can see the device with "lsusb".

When I klick on an icon in the konqueror "Storage Media" menu, then I get
the error message "Feature only available with HAL".

The menu item "Enable HAL backend" in "Control Center"->"Storage Media"
is greyed out, even when I start the Control Center as root. 

Actually hald is running:
(but why does ps show the numerical uid "106" instead of "haldaemon" as the 
process owner?)

# ps faux | grep hal
106       2707  0.0  0.2   6216  4696 ?        Ss   16:32   
0:01 /usr/sbin/hald
root      2708  0.0  0.0   2888  1032 ?        S    16:32   0:00  \_ 
hald-runner
106       2714  0.0  0.0   1856   756 ?        S    16:32   0:00      \_ 
hald-addon-acpi: listening on acpid socket /var/run/acpid.socket
106       2722  0.0  0.0   1852   768 ?        S    16:32   0:00      \_ 
hald-addon-keyboard: listening on /dev/input/event0
106       2730  0.0  0.0   1856   768 ?        S    16:32   0:00      \_ 
hald-addon-keyboard: listening on /dev/input/event4
106       2733  0.0  0.0   1856   764 ?        S    16:33   0:00      \_ 
hald-addon-keyboard: listening on /dev/input/event3
root      2737  0.0  0.0   1808   620 ?        S    16:33   0:00      \_ 
hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/scd0
root      5632  0.0  0.0   3740   760 pts/6    S+   18:49   0:00  |               
\_ grep hal

the same with dbus:

# ps faux | grep dbus
105       2699  0.0  0.1   7076  2352 ?        Ss   16:32   
0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system
gebhardt  3087  0.0  0.0   4136   968 ?        Ss   16:33   0:00          
\_ /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session 
x-session-manager
gebhardt  3090  0.0  0.0   2568   616 ?        S    16:33   
0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session x-session-manager
gebhardt  3091  0.0  0.0   2468   444 ?        Ss   16:33   
0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 6 --print-address 8 --session
root      5648  0.0  0.0   3736   756 pts/6    S+   18:51   0:00  |               
\_ grep dbus

Any hint? Thanks a lot, Th. Gebhardt

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