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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2990

Today's Topics:

  Re: CoverCD Agreement - Debian        [ "I.E.Broadbent"  ]
  Re: OT: clicky keyboards              [ Hugo Vanwoerkom  ]

Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:27:31 +0000
From: "I.E.Broadbent" <ieb@klokwurx.co.uk> To: Katarzyna Kaczor <katarzyna.kaczor@lpmagazine.org> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: CoverCD Agreement - Debian

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Katarzyna (Kate)

Excuse me if my reply appears unhelpful, ... but your questions and the area you have addressed them to makes we wonder about their accuracy and intent;... or at least makes me ask why you appear to be so lazy as to ask a user group questions which should be addressed elsewhere.

Everyone is welcome to ask questions here... but.. yours are not aimed at a general user group but more correctly at the 'officers' of Debian itself.

Do you need help?

I think you'll find the answers to your questions in the general documentation at the Debian site (www.debian.org). As I have written, you are presently asking them of a public support Group of debian users; which, I suggest, is not really the cleverest way to proceed. In fact for someone who works for a Linux Mag (allegedly) your niaivety in this regard is rather suprising.
Why don't you point your browser to the 'main' Debian site (as above) and start your reading there, .....

Ian

On Tue, 2007-12-11 at 09:26 +0100, Katarzyna Kaczor wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My name is Katarzyna Kaczor and I am an editorial assistant in Linux+
> magazine.
>
> The next 2/2008 issue of Linux+ will be devoted to Debian 4.0.
> Many thanks to all from Linux community who prvided us with articles about
> Debian, its installation, configuration, how-tos, tips&trics etc.
>
> Do you mind if we re-distribute your Software with our publication?
> We would like to feature Debian 4.0 distro on Linux+dvd. Could we also use
> your product logo and graphics? Could you give me the access to download it
> via FTP.
>
> Also, I would like to ask you for sending me a CoverCD Agreement.
>
> I look forward on working with you.
>
> Thank you in advance for your kind help.
>
> Kate

Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:10:06 -0500
From: Hal Vaughan <hal@thresholddigital.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How Linux becomes Windows
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On Monday 10 December 2007, cothrige wrote:
> Dirk <noisyb@gmail.com> writes:
> > I won't start commenting on all this HAL, udev and similar
> > bullshit.
>
> I agree about HAL, and the thing really just makes me nervous. I was
> apparently right too, because when I turned it off via update-rc.d,
> my box started singing about somebody named Daisy.

Odd. Mine just said, "I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave."

Personally, I just wish someone would have picked a different name. I forgot whether it was an Ubuntu or Debian (not Stable) box I had set up would not let me have a user named "hal" because of HAL. That gets frustrating since that's what I use as my username on most of my own systems. It's frustrating to not be able to use one's own name. And, to be honest, I don't like seeing people talking about how much they hate HAL. ;-)

Do you need more help?

> The one I really don't understand though is avahi. I kept seeing
> this in my ps output and really had no idea at all what it was. I
> tried to find out, but couldn't. Did the CIA write this thing?
> Finally I turned it off too, and nothing exploded so far. But, just
> what is all this stuff anyway? Personally, I thought avahi was some
> sort of fruity shampoo my wife uses.

A quick Wikipedia search (found it on my first try) gave me this:

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avahi_%28software%29>

A Google search turned up 47,000 hits.

"Apt-cache search avahi" returned 34 packages on my Ubuntu Fiesty workstation. (I didn't try it on my Debian servers, I figure the point has been made.)

Hal
(Who even has his name on his license, Virginia plates "HAL 9000".)

Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:56:44 -0700
From: Robert Jerrard <rjerrard@math.concordia.ab.ca> To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: java applet compile problem

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Can we help you?

I am trying to enter the world of java applets but am having problems compiling applet code. I downloaded an analog clock applet from the web (which works) but want to modify it. However:

bob@penrose:~/Java$ kaffe AnalogClockApplet java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: main

   at java.lang.VMThrowable.fillInStackTrace (VMThrowable.java:native)
   at java.lang.VMThrowable.fillInStackTrace (VMThrowable.java:79)
   at java.lang.Throwable.fillInStackTrace (Throwable.java:498)
   at java.lang.Throwable. (Throwable.java:159)
   at java.lang.Error. (Error.java:81)
   at java.lang.LinkageError. (LinkageError.java:72)
   at java.lang.IncompatibleClassChangeError.

(IncompatibleClassChangeError.java:71)

at java.lang.NoSuchMethodError.<init> (NoSuchMethodError.java:72)

I don't know java as yet but have not modified the code of AnalogClockApplet.java yet so why does it not compile? Any pointers?

I am running a Debian unstable system that is reasonably up-to-date and as for java:

bob@penrose:~/Java$ dpkg -l | fgrep java ii gjdoc 0.7.8-6 documentation generation framework for java ii java-common 0.25 Base of all Java packages ii libecj-java 3.3.0+0728-5 Eclipse Java compiler (library) ii libecj-java-gcj 3.3.0+0728-5 Eclipse Java compiler (native library) ii libhsqldb-java 1.8.0.8-1 Java SQL database engine ii libjaxp1.3-java 1.3.04-2 Java XML parser and transformer APIs ii libjline-java 0.9.5-3 Java library for handling console input ii libservlet2.3-java 4.0-8 Servlet 2.3 and JSP 1.2 Java classes and doc
ii libservlet2.4-java 5.0.30-5 Servlet 2.4 and JSP 2.0 Java classes and doc
ii libxalan2-java 2.7.0-5 XSL Transformations (XSLT) processor in Java ii libxerces2-java 2.9.0-1 Validating XML parser for Java with DOM leve ii libxt-java 0.20050823-2 An implementation in Java of XSL Transformat ii openoffice.org-java-common 2.2.1-8 OpenOffice.org office suite Java support arc
ii sun-java5-bin 1.5.0-13-1 Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 ii sun-java5-demo 1.5.0-13-1 Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0 demos

ii  sun-java5-fonts 1.5.0-13-1 Lucida TrueType fonts (from the Sun JRE)
ii  sun-java5-jdk 1.5.0-13-1 Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0
ii  sun-java5-jre 1.5.0-13-1 Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0
ii  sun-java5-plugin 1.5.0-13-1 The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 5.0
ii  sun-java5-source 1.5.0-13-1 Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0
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Thanks for any pointers, Bob

-- 
Dr. Robert J. Jerrard, Professor of Mathematics,
Concordia University College of Alberta,
7128 Ada Blvd., Edmonton, Alberta, T5B 4E4, Canada.
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:52:10 -0800 From: Bob McGowan <bob_mcgowan@symantec.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: buying TV card Message-ID: <475DD12A.5090600@symantec.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050608080101010705020504" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050608080101010705020504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 08:43:38AM -0500, Scott Lair wrote:
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> so its not strictly etch. Also, these cards include hardware mpeg
> encoding which can be a blessing and a curse, depending on your
> situation.
>
> A
Could you expand a bit on the subject of "a blessing and a curse" with respect to hardware mpeg encoding? Or, point to a relevant discussion of the issue? I've been holding out, waiting for hardware mpeg card support in MythTV (been a while since I've checked, looks like it may have improved since) and was not aware of negative issues with it. 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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:08:11 +0000 From: Mihira Fernando <mihiratheace@gmail.com> To: Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Network is unreachable email error Message-ID: <475D100B.8070105@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hce wrote:
>
> Indeed, my ISP blocks port 25. How can I config the postfix to change
> to use 465 or 587? I have following sasl_passwd:
>
> smtp.gmail.com webmail@gmail.com
>
> Thank you.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jim
>
>
It would help if you can post results of postconf -n and show the relevant map files (with the passwords and ip addresses mangled of cause) Change your relay server parameters from smtp.gmail.com to [smtp.gmail.com]:587 If you're using relay_server parameter in main.cf, modify it to look like this : relayhost = [smtp.gmail.com]:587 If you're using transport maps, change the map file to look like this : gmail.com smtp:[smtp.gmail.com]:587 your sasl password map file should have the following format : smtp.gmail.com username:password Or if you're using sender dependent password maps, then : userA@gmail.com usernameA:password userB@gmail.com usernameB:password Mihira. -- Random Quotes From Megas XLR Coop: You see? The mysteries of the Universe are revealed when you break stuff. Jamie: When in doubt, blow up a planet. Kiva: It's an 80 foot robot, if we can't see it, absolutely it's not here. Glorft Technician: Unnecessary use of force in capturing the Earthers has been approved.

Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 10:17:32 -0800 From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards Message-ID: <20071208181732.GE7681@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="19uQFt6ulqmgNgg1" Content-Disposition: inline --19uQFt6ulqmgNgg1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 11:54:57AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>=20
> Listening to people sing in Italian (or German) about incest and
> matricide is not my cup of tea.
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:40:59 -0600 From: cothrige <cothrige@bellsouth.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Gnus and emacs22 Message-ID: <87r6htz43o.fsf@celephais.home.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> writes:
> On 2007-12-10 20:40 +0100, cothrige wrote:
>
>> Ah, that explains it. It causes me to wonder just how much is now
>> coming preinstalled, and doesn't need to be added on? I may be adding a
>> bunch of stuff twice, which may I suppose cause some confusion down the
>> pike.
>
> Possibly. Please read the Emacs NEWS file, section "New Modes and
> Packages in Emacs 22.1" to see which packages have been integrated.
> Also see GNUS-NEWS in the same directory as NEWS.
Many thanks for that. I will do so immediately.
> w3m-el-snapshot is a new package, but it has just arrived in testing:
>
> http://packages.debian.org/lenny/w3m-el-snapshot
>
> Maybe your mirror is not quite up to date.
That certainly sounds likely.
> What is the value of browse-url-browser-function? For me, just putting
> the following two lines into my .emacs sets up w3m properly and does TRT
> when clicking on links in Gnus:
>
> (if (fboundp 'w3m-browse-url)
> (setq browse-url-browser-function 'w3m-browse-url))
Very interesting. I was using customize to set what appeared to be the relevant options for browsers. What I was using was w3m-browse-url, and so I thought it would work, but I must have been clouding something up somehow. The lines you gave above did work, and so now things are operating as I would have expected them to, though I am unsure how I messed up the settings via customize. Many thanks for the help. Patrick

Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 08:56:35 -0600 From: Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards Message-ID: <fjgvn3$p7a$1@ger.gmane.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ron Johnson wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On 12/09/07 06:34, Nate Duehr wrote:
>> On Dec 8, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> Listening to people sing in Italian (or German) about incest and
>>> matricide is not my cup of tea.
>>
>> We'll make sure not to ever invite you to any Shakespeare plays then,
>> either.
>
> The differences between Elizabethan English and modern American
> makes Shakespeare is pretty difficult for me, constantly having to
> think about what the phrase means, or having to pause the flow and
> look down into the footnotes to determine the archaic meaning of a
> word or phrase.
But I always kept that opinion to myself ;-)
>
> Monty Python is almost as bad, with their non-RP accents and topics
> that were frequently specific to early-1970s Britain.
>
>> Classic fictional tragedies often use such topics as a setting for an
>> epic plot to emerge.
>> Hamlet:
>> Madam, how like you this play?
>>
>> Queen:
>> The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
>>
>> (Of course, the above is a misquote, since the word "protest" meant
>> something quite different in Shakespeare's time, but you get the idea.
>> GRIN.)
>

Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:33:32 +0200 From: "Dotan Cohen" <dotancohen@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards Message-ID: <880dece00712080533x74334c5xa1675e5b4c3407a8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline T24gMDcvMTIvMjAwNywgQW5kcmV3IFNhY2t2aWxsZS1XZXN0IDxhbmRyZXdAZmFyd2VzdGJpbGxp YXJkcy5jb20+IHdyb3RlOgo+ID4gQXMgSSB0eXBlIHRoaXMsIEJlZXRob3ZlbiBpcyAobGlnaHRs eSkgdGh1bmRlcmluZyBvdXQgb2YgbXkKPiA+IHNwZWFrZXJzLiAgQ2xpY2tpdHktY2xhY2sgZG9l cyAqbm90KiBnbyB3ZWxsIHdpdGggZ29vZCBtdXNpYwo+Cj4gb2gsIHRoZXkncmUgbm90IHRoYXQg bG91ZC4gQW5kIGl0J3MgYWxsIGFib3V0IHRoZSByaHl0aG0uIGp1c3QgdHlwZSBpbgo+IHRpbWUg dG8gdGhlIG11c2ljIDstKQoKTm8sIGRvbid0ISBJIHN0dWR5IHdpdGggc29tZW9uZSB3aG8gdHlw ZXMgdG8gdGhlIHJoeXRobXMgaW4gaGlzIGhlYWQsCmV2ZW4gd2hlbiBoZSdzIF9ub3RfIGF0IGEg a2V5Ym9hcmQuIERyaXZlcyBtZSBudXRzLgoKRG90YW4gQ29oZW4KCmh0dHA6Ly93aGF0LWlzLXdo YXQuY29tCmh0dHA6Ly9naWJiZXJpc2guY28uaWwK15At15Et15It15Mt15Qt15Ut15Yt15ct15gt 15kt15ot15st15wt150t154t158t16At16Et16It16Mt16Qt16Ut16Yt16ct16gt16kt16oKCkE6 IEJlY2F1c2UgaXQgbWVzc2VzIHVwIHRoZSBvcmRlciBpbiB3aGljaCBwZW9wbGUgbm9ybWFsbHkg cmVhZCB0ZXh0LgpROiBXaHkgaXMgdG9wLXBvc3Rpbmcgc3VjaCBhIGJhZCB0aGluZz8K

Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:01:24 +0100 From: "Axel Minck" <axel.minck@free.fr> To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Ping works but not internet Message-ID: <002601c83c38$fd35dd60$f7a19820$@minck@free.fr> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C83C41.5EFA4560" Content-Language: fr-ch Il s'agit d'un message ` parties multiples au format MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C83C41.5EFA4560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everybody, I recently installed Debian on my computer (2.6.18 kernel). After some time to configure the wireless internet access, I can: - Ping addresses - Go to Google homepage (sometimes I cannot even open Google) - Carry out searches on Google But I can't go to any other address. Even in Google's results list, clicking on a link will result in a timed out error. In parallel, I can ping the addresses I cannot access with the navigator. Does someone have an idea to solve this ? It seems very strange.. Thanks in advance ! ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C83C41.5EFA4560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii"> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"> <style>  </style>  </head> <body lang=3DFR link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple> <div class=3DSection1> Hi everybody,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I recently installed Debian on = my computer (2.6.18 kernel).<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> After some time to configure the = wireless internet access, I can:<o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>-          <![endif]>Ping = addresses<o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>-          <![endif]>Go to Google homepage (sometimes I cannot even open Google)<o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>-          <![endif]>Carry out searches on = Google<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> But I can’t go to any = other address. Even in Google’s results list, clicking on a link  will = result in a timed out error.<o:p></o:p> In parallel, I can ping the = addresses I cannot access with the navigator.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Does someone have an idea to = solve this ? It seems very strange….<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Thanks in advance = !<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> </div> </body> </html> ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C83C41.5EFA4560-- End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #2990 ************************************************** Received on Tue Dec 11 16:38:58 2007

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