Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:56:10 +0900
From: js <ebgssth@gmail.com>
To: "Daniel Burrows" <dburrows@debian.org>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Anyone using Debian on notebook?
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I don't think debian works well on my ppc mac (iBook).
I would buy thinkpad or something.
On Dec 10, 2007 12:43 AM, Daniel Burrows <dburrows@debian.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 03:27:12PM +0900, js <ebgssth@gmail.com> was heard to say:
> > So I'm thinking that I also switch my notebook's OS to Debian.
> > Before starting this switch, I like to hear some comments from
> > people who's using Debian on their notebook.
> > Is there any annoyance?
>
> I could tell you about how well my laptop works for me, but that's
> mainly a function of the hardware and my work habits; everything I need
> to use regularly works. How Debian works on a laptop depends mainly on
> the hardware, so I'd suggest trying to find reports from people who have
> installed Debian on an Apple notebook. You might also want to get a
> Debian live CD (e.g., from http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org) and try
> booting it to get a feeling for your compatibility without having to
> move OSX out of the way and install Debian.
>
> Daniel
>
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Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:27:57 -0700
From: Nate Duehr <nate@natetech.com>
To: Debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards
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On Dec 7, 2007, at 4:43 PM, cls@truffula.sj.ca.us wrote:
> [This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.]
> In article <9xwiH-51q-13@gated-at.bofh.it>, Andrew Sackville-West
> wrote:
>>
>> If you need that amazingly insightful gift for someone (yourself?)
>> this year, check out www.clickykeyboards.com for real IBM
>> keyboards. Mine just arrived and I'm in heaven.=20
>
> Also known as the Carpal Tunnel special.
Humbug. If you learned hot to type *properly* on a real IBM Selectric
(hint: you never pushed the key down past the "click", certainly never
to the stops), using a clicky keyboard today won't cause you carpal
tunnel any faster than a squish-box typed on improperly will. The
click was meant to simulate the action of the typewriter ball smacking
the paper for those of us who learned how to type on typewriters.
Most carpal tunnel is brought on by typing done with angle of the arm
and wrist all wrong, etc. Basic ergonomics.
To start with, real speed typists raise their hands off the board (the
long "wrist rests" on most modern keyboards, especially laptops,
simply didn't exist on typewriters -- people also didn't use them on
their laps!). Incorrect technique is far more "risky" than using a
"clicky" keyboard.
Learning how to type properly isn't an activity undertaken by many
people anymore. Heck, taking a basic computer operation course with
the basics of input/output, files, and how computers work isn't done
either -- and look how confused the average untrained user is by
simple tasks on a computer. We point them at a complex device with no
training and expect results. Ridiculous.
Look up some old typist-training books sometime and research how
typists on typewriters got above 80 WPM. You'll find the techniques
to avoid carpal tunnel in most of them.
Some people are also simply more prone to it, but seriously -- the
keyboard's always far less "at fault" (since our society always wants
to blame something on externalities than on one's own behavior) than
the typist's technique.
Blaming carpal tunnel on a particular type of keyboard smells funny to
me. I'm not buying. I'm surprised many people have. Of course,
there's a fiscal reason -- carpal tunnel claims and legal cases are
quite lucrative.
--
Nate Duehr
nate@natetech.com
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:58:19 +0530
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Have you eliminated common problems, like a spamfilter at your end?
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:42:17 -0600
From: John Patton <elov66@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Re: Loosing internet after suspend
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Okay. I have a regular ethernet card built into my laptop's motherboard.
I use Openbox for my desktop, whilst my wife uses Gnome. I use
powersaved for power management, which in turn uses acpid.
What i have done so far is make changes to the powersaved config
scripts. I have instructed it to restart networking, acpid, and the
firewall to no avail (before discovering that eth0 itself no longer
existed in /dev). I then tried unloading and re-loading the module that
my ethernet driver uses (natsemi), but that doesn't help. Then i tried
manually restarting several of the init.d scripts that seemed promising
in an effort to bring up the eth0 device (no luck). I've done alot of
searching on the internet besides that and really didn't find anything
useful.
It seems to me that something in the boot process checks for the
existence of that device (/dev/eth0) and creates it, but i can't figure
out what that is. There must be some way to tell the kernel (or
something) to create it! I just don't even know where to look though.
Does MAKEDEV still work? My only thought is to manually create the
device from the init.d/networking script if it doesn't exist, but that
seems like a kludge and fragile besides. Basically i'm wondering if
anybody knows of the proper way to do this.
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 07:43:48 -0800
From: Daniel Burrows <dburrows@debian.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Anyone using Debian on notebook?
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On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 03:27:12PM +0900, js <ebgssth@gmail.com> was heard to say:
> So I'm thinking that I also switch my notebook's OS to Debian.
> Before starting this switch, I like to hear some comments from
> people who's using Debian on their notebook.
> Is there any annoyance?
I could tell you about how well my laptop works for me, but that's
mainly a function of the hardware and my work habits; everything I need
to use regularly works. How Debian works on a laptop depends mainly on
the hardware, so I'd suggest trying to find reports from people who have
installed Debian on an Apple notebook. You might also want to get a
Debian live CD (e.g., from http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org) and try
booting it to get a feeling for your compatibility without having to
move OSX out of the way and install Debian.
Daniel
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:05:42 +0000
From: John Talbut <john@dpets.demon.co.uk>
To: Debian user list <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Debian on PCs
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Does anyone know if there is a web site with a repository of users' experiences
of running Debian or GNU/Linux on PCs, similar to the www.linux-laptop.net site?
It would certainly have helped me to install Debian on some PCs if I could have
had a sight of .config, xorg.conf and driver information from others who had
experience with the same machines. And I could pass on my experiences.
John
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:16:43 -0800
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards
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On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 03:43:27PM -0800, cls@truffula.sj.ca.us wrote:
> [This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.]
> In article <9xwiH-51q-13@gated-at.bofh.it>, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> >
> > If you need that amazingly insightful gift for someone (yourself?)
> > this year, check out www.clickykeyboards.com for real IBM
> > keyboards. Mine just arrived and I'm in heaven.=3D20
>=20
> Also known as the Carpal Tunnel special.
>=20
> Seriously, this is the worst idea I've seen on this list in a long
> time. The PC keyboard had that exaggerated click so it would feel more
> like a Selectric typewriter. IBM Data Entry Division wanted to sell
> PCs through the typewriter channel because Armonk didn't want the PC.
> The Boca Raton marketing droids hoped it would be more familiar than the
> somewhat ergonomic computer keyboards common in the late '70s, so it
> would be easier for typewriter salesmen to sell.
> Over time the cost pressure of the clone market devolved it to
> the hard-stop ABS-against-ABS nightmare we use today.
> Millions of crippling Carpal Tunnel Syndrome cases
> because of office politics and marketing BS at IBM.
Interesting bit of history. I suppose to each their own, though I'm
*personally* finding this to be much easier to type on. And I find I'm
using less pressure (at least my hand's feel less tired) and my
accuracy has gone up too.=20
There is no doubt that it's a personal choice thing and one should use
what one prefers. </diplomatic response> ;-)
>=20
> I'd pay real money for a well made PS2-compatible keyboard with the
> silent action and soft squishy travel-stops we had on the Convergent and
> Altos thin client machine keyboards circa 1985. You could type
> hard and fast on those all day and not feel it in your fingertips
> and wrists. As far as I know, nobody makes good keyboards anywhere
> any more. I'm typing this on a Goldtouch. The hinge doesn't open far
> enough. It's got the same gawd-awful hard travelstops as the generic
> 104-key you can get for $5 at any computer store. Awful. I tried that
> silly vinyl rollup too. The keys wobble around too much for
> fast typing. It would have worked better if the keys had been
> half the height. Stupid.
no doubt there are some stupid keyboards out there. I can't believe
people try to use those "laser" keyboards where the image is projected
on the table top. ridiculous.=20
A
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:56:12 -0500
From: Mark Grieveson <dg135@torfree.net>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
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Hello. I'm subscribed to the digest of this list, and used to
regularly receive email. Suddenly, it stopped. I resubscribed, but
still am receiving nothing. I now follow the list via the web.
Has anyone else had this issue?
Mark
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:27:12 +0900
From: js <ebgssth@gmail.com>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Anyone using Debian on notebook?
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Hi list,
I've just switched back my dev box from OS X to Debian.
(I was used to be a Debian users but away from Debian for about 3 or
more years.)
OS X is great but Debian is so much better and easier in managing packages.
OS X has some alternative to APT, like Fink and MacPorts
but they are not official and packages is fewer than Debian's.
In addition, Debian provides clearner system, conf is in /etc, binary
is in /usr/bin.
So I'm thinking that I also switch my notebook's OS to Debian.
Before starting this switch, I like to hear some comments from
people who's using Debian on their notebook.
Is there any annoyance?
One thing I worry is battery management
where Apple's MacBook is very good at.
OS X's sleep mode is just works. I love it so much.
Thanks.
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:21:06 +0000
From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_C=E9sar_de_S=E1?=" <megatronpt@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Anyone using Debian on notebook?
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I've been using Debian on my Dell Latitude D520.
Everything is working almost properly.. I'm just having problems with
- USB mouse(only works if I disable touchpad)
- Intel Wireless system(simply can't install IPW3945)
Everything else is just perfect!
On 10/12/2007, js <ebgssth@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you for the pointer.
>
> I'll try that list.
>
> On Dec 10, 2007 2:44 AM, Michael Marsh <michael.a.marsh@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 9, 2007 1:27 AM, js <ebgssth@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > So I'm thinking that I also switch my notebook's OS to Debian.
> > > Before starting this switch, I like to hear some comments from
> > > people who's using Debian on their notebook.
> > > Is there any annoyance?
> >
> > You might want to subscribe to the debian-laptop list, since there
> > will be a lot of laptop-specific traffic there, and you might get more
> > prompt responses to questions. That being said, I've been running
> > Debian sid on my Thinkpad T23 for several years, and I've been very
> > happy with it. Laptops can be a mixed bag, hardware-wise, so it's
> > more likely that you'll run into an issue where there's no Free
> > driver. If you've got all Intel hardware, this shouldn't be a
> > problem.
> >
> > > One thing I worry is battery management
> > > where Apple's MacBook is very good at.
> > > OS X's sleep mode is just works. I love it so much.
> >
> > Check out acpi, acpid, and acpitools. Also powertop, which will help
> > you tweak your system to minimize wakeups-from-idle. You can
> > configure acpid to respond to various events like function keys,
> > close-lid, and open-lid. See /usr/share/doc/acpid.
> >
> > --
> > Michael A. Marsh
> > http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~mmarsh
> > http://mamarsh.blogspot.com
> > http://36pints.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
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ply can't install IPW3945)
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r>> close-lid, and open-lid. See /usr/share/doc/acpid.<br>>=
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Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:44:59 -0500
From: "Michael Marsh" <michael.a.marsh@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Anyone using Debian on notebook?
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On Dec 9, 2007 1:27 AM, js <ebgssth@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I'm thinking that I also switch my notebook's OS to Debian.
> Before starting this switch, I like to hear some comments from
> people who's using Debian on their notebook.
> Is there any annoyance?
You might want to subscribe to the debian-laptop list, since there
will be a lot of laptop-specific traffic there, and you might get more
prompt responses to questions. That being said, I've been running
Debian sid on my Thinkpad T23 for several years, and I've been very
happy with it. Laptops can be a mixed bag, hardware-wise, so it's
more likely that you'll run into an issue where there's no Free
driver. If you've got all Intel hardware, this shouldn't be a
problem.
> One thing I worry is battery management
> where Apple's MacBook is very good at.
> OS X's sleep mode is just works. I love it so much.
Check out acpi, acpid, and acpitools. Also powertop, which will help
you tweak your system to minimize wakeups-from-idle. You can
configure acpid to respond to various events like function keys,
close-lid, and open-lid. See /usr/share/doc/acpid.
--
Michael A. Marsh
http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/~mmarsh
http://mamarsh.blogspot.com
http://36pints.blogspot.com
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:43:42 -0500
From: Peter Smerdon <psmerdon@magma.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Gnus and emacs22
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cothrige <cothrige@bellsouth.net> writes:
>
> This has brought me to trying to find out where gnus is loading from in
> the first place. I browsed through packages.debian.org for emacs22 and
> such, checking the files in them, but with so many apparent emacs
> packages being drawn in for emacs22 I couldn't really figure out for
> sure if an install of gnus is already in one of them. Does emacs22
> install gnus by default, without another package? And if so, why would
> it ignore w3m-browse-url? I have moved my gnus download into my path in
> hopes of using it, but I cannot be sure which gnus is even being
> loaded. I cannot even tell if there is another gnus in the system in
> the first place, though something sure was loading..
>
> I would appreciate any suggestions about what may be happening and how I
> may be able to get w3m incorporated better.
>
> Patrick
Hi, Gnus AFAIK, is included in emacs22 and emacs-snapshot. I think it
might be the deveopment version called No Gnus, nevertheless, you can
use this built in Gnus instead of the stand alone package.
As for w3m, I installed a package w3m-el-snapshot and this works fine
with emacs-snapshot. I hope this helps in some way.
PS: thank you Tatsuya Kinoshita and Romain Francoise for providing these
packages! Now all I need is antialised fonts :-)
--
Peter Smerdon
psmerdon@magma.ca
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:13:46 -0800 (PST)
From: rockymaxsource <rockysynergy@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Debian Etch install bugzilla
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Hey,
I'm trying to install bugzilla on my old machine which runs Debian
etch. Aptitude install bugzilla gave me the below error code:
---------------Error begin--------------------------------
dbconfig-common: flushing administrative password
/var/lib/dpkg/info/bugzilla.postinst: line 107: /etc/bugzilla/dbconfig-
params: No such file or directory
dpkg: error processing bugzilla (--configure):
subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
bugzilla
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
---------------Error end--------------------------------
Browse to localhost/bugzilla, I got the below error
---------------Error begin--------------------------------
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
<html><head>
<title>500 Internal Server Error</title>
</head><body>
<h1>Internal Server Error</h1>
<p>The server encountered an internal error or
misconfiguration and was unable to complete
your request.</p>
<p>Please contact the server administrator,
webmaster@localhost and inform them of the time the error occurred,
and anything you might have done that may have
caused the error.</p>
<p>More information about this error may be available
in the server error log.</p>
<hr>
<address>Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch7 Server at
bugzilla55.in Port 80</address>
</body></html>
---------------Error end--------------------------------
tail /var/www/log/error.log gives me the below result
---------------Error begin--------------------------------
[Tue Dec 11 21:13:15 2007] [error] [client 192.168.1.19] Compilation
failed in require at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi line 33.
[Tue Dec 11 21:13:15 2007] [error] [client 192.168.1.19] Premature end
of script headers: index.cgi
[Tue Dec 11 21:14:10 2007] [error] [client 192.168.1.19] No value for
param user_verify_class (try running checksetup.pl again) at /usr/
share/perl5/Bugzilla/Config.pm line 225.
[Tue Dec 11 21:14:10 2007] [error] [client 192.168.1.19] BEGIN failed--
compilation aborted at /usr/share/perl5/Bugzilla/Auth.pm line 43.
[Tue Dec 11 21:14:10 2007] [error] [client 192.168.1.19] Compilation
failed in require at /usr/share/bugzilla/Bugzilla.pm line 28.
[Tue Dec 11 21:14:10 2007] [error] [client 192.168.1.19] BEGIN failed--
compilation aborted at /usr/share/bugzilla/Bugzilla.pm line 28.
[Tue Dec 11 21:14:10 2007] [error] [client 192.168.1.19] Compilation
failed in require at /usr/share/bugzilla/globals.pl line 803.
[Tue Dec 11 21:14:10 2007] [error] [client 192.168.1.19] BEGIN failed--
compilation aborted at /usr/share/bugzilla/globals.pl line 803.
[Tue Dec 11 21:14:10 2007] [error] [client 192.168.1.19] Compilation
failed in require at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi line 33.
---------------Error end--------------------------------
Can any of you help me out please?
Blessings,
Rocky
End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #2991
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