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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 2992

Today's Topics: 

  Re: OT: clicky keyboards              [ cls@truffula.sj.ca.us ]
  Re: OT: clicky keyboards              [ Andrew Sackville-West  ]
  Re: Network is unreachable email err  [ Celejar  ]
  Re: OT: clicky keyboards              [ Sam Leon  ]
  Re: Loosing internet after suspend    [ Ron Johnson  ]
  Math Programme.                       [ David  ]
  Wating for root file system. Kernel   [ wanderlust  ]
  Re: OT: clicky keyboards              [ Nate Duehr  ]
  Re: OT: clicky keyboards              [ Andrew Sackville-West  ]
  Re: Ping works but not internet       [ Bruno Costacurta  ]
  Re: Ping works but not internet       [ Bonnel Christophe  ]
  Re: KDE doesn't connect to HAL        [ Charlie  ]
  Re: Compile Error, Debian 2.6.23.9    [ Hugo Vanwoerkom 

Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:43:27 -0800


From: cls@truffula.sj.ca.us


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards


Message-ID: <slrnfljmkv.nm.spambait@truffula.sj.ca.us>



[This message has also been posted to linux.debian.user.]
In article <9xwiH-51q-13@gated-at.bofh.it>, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

>
> If you need that amazingly insightful gift for someone (yourself?)
> this year, check out www.clickykeyboards.com for real IBM
> keyboards. Mine just arrived and I'm in heaven.=20

Also known as the Carpal Tunnel special.



Seriously, this is the worst idea I've seen on this list in a long
time.  The PC keyboard had that exaggerated click so it would feel more
like a Selectric typewriter.  IBM Data Entry Division wanted to sell
PCs through the typewriter channel because Armonk didn't want the PC.
The Boca Raton marketing droids hoped it would be more familiar than the
somewhat ergonomic computer keyboards common in the late '70s, so it
would be easier for typewriter salesmen to sell.
Over time the cost pressure of the clone market devolved it to
the hard-stop ABS-against-ABS nightmare we use today.
Millions of crippling Carpal Tunnel Syndrome cases
because of office politics and marketing BS at IBM.


Do you need help?X

I'd pay real money for a well made PS2-compatible keyboard with the
silent action and soft squishy travel-stops we had on the Convergent and
Altos thin client machine keyboards circa 1985.  You could type
hard and fast on those all day and not feel it in your fingertips
and wrists.  As far as I know, nobody makes good keyboards anywhere
any more.  I'm typing this on a Goldtouch.  The hinge doesn't open far
enough.  It's got the same gawd-awful hard travelstops as the generic
104-key you can get for $5 at any computer store.  Awful.  I tried that
silly vinyl rollup too.  The keys wobble around too much for
fast typing.  It would have worked better if the keys had been
half the height.  Stupid.





Cameron



Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 12:16:40 -0800


From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards


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On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 12:42:06PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

> On 12/08/07 12:17, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 11:54:57AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >> Listening to people sing in Italian (or German) about incest and
> >> matricide is not my cup of tea.
> >=20
> > sounds like a python bit
>=20
> The language or the comedy troop?
>=20
> Anyway, no one can convince me that opera is nothing more than
> pre-television HBO.
LOL


my daughter has had a couple bit parts in some local operas, thereby
forcing me to view them. Overall, not so bad when you watch and
listen. But these were both non-Wagnerian operas (La Boheme and Hansel
& gretel) and pretty fun.=20


Do you need more help?X

BUt I'm not trying to convince you, trust me...



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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:21:13 +0000


From: "I.E.Broadbent" <ieb@klokwurx.co.uk>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Dual Core Booting Problem -And S...S...st...stutt...stuttering


        Operation

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Can't find what you're looking for?X

Hi folks...



The saga with the speed and booting issues with this new 64bit-AMD-dual-
core continues (for those who recall the earlier posts with a
similar/same subject line).



I eventually swapped out the 4x1gig memory modules for Kingston Units
and it is at least now booting with all 4 slots occupied.... but I'm
still not happy with the speed of the machine, or with it's constant
hanging/freezing whenever I am typing. (E.g. in the time it took me to
type this above the input and screen updating froze three times each
time for about 6 seconds .. (it's just done it again).



I have upgraded the BIOS to version '6f' from the gigabyte site but was
then getting the "8254 Bug -no timer connected to IO-APIC" at POST.
This has been cleared by specifying NOAPIC at boot... but I am still
suffering from this 'freezing/stuttering' when typing and the whole
machine just seems sluggish.



For info:   Its a gigabyte motherboard M61p-S3
AMD Dual Core 64 bit 4600+ (running at a BIOS reported 2400mhz and a
200mhz clock)


with 4 x1gig 660mhz Kingston Modules.


It's a 550watt PSU, and a 7200rpm 360gig drive



Anyone else come across this stuttering.... and a 'just too slow'
operation.



It takes 6 seconds to fire up Evolution and a whopping 32 seconds to
bring up Open Office.




Ian


Don't know where to look next?X

Date:  Sat, 08 Dec 2007 06:45:25 -0600


From:  Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject:  Re: OT: clicky keyboards

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Ron Johnson wrote:

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> On 12/06/07 21:16, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:45:12PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> [snip]
>>> Orchestral music doesn't seem to have a consistent rhythm in the
>>> same sense that "common" music does.
>> Try Bach.  
>>
>> I know its not orchestral but try Toccata and Fugue in D minor; the
>> fugue part.  However, I'm assuming that you only have one keyboard on
>> which to type not the 3 (or was it four) for which it was written.  :)
> 
> As a matter of fact, I listened to them earlier this afternoon.
> 

I download KUSC's Sunday night opera every week. Lovely. Was Massenet's 
Werther last Sunday.



Hugo



Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:40:16 -0600


From: cothrige <cothrige@bellsouth.net>


To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Gnus and emacs22


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Peter Smerdon <psmerdon@magma.ca> writes:


Confused? Frustrated?X
> Hi, Gnus AFAIK, is included in emacs22 and emacs-snapshot. I think it
> might be the deveopment version called No Gnus, nevertheless, you can
> use this built in Gnus instead of the stand alone package.

Ah, that explains it.  It causes me to wonder just how much is now
coming preinstalled, and doesn't need to be added on?  I may be adding a
bunch of stuff twice, which may I suppose cause some confusion down the
pike.


> As for w3m, I installed a package w3m-el-snapshot and this works fine
> with emacs-snapshot. I hope this helps in some way.

I couldn't find anything with snapshot in it for testing, so maybe that
is a sid thing?  Or maybe it is from another repository I haven't
accessed.  The packages I used were emacs (which installed emacs22) and
w3m-el.  And w3m actually works just fine, and for instance I can run
M-x w3m and surf just as expected.



What was odd is that if I set up browse-url-generic with w3m-browse-url
(which also works from M-x...) I get a complaint that there is no such
file or program as w3m-browse-url.  But, it runs from emacs just fine,
so I know there is such a file or program, and apparently so does emacs.
It's just wierd.  It's not a big deal really, as there are many work
arounds, but I just couldn't help thinking I have something messed up.


> PS: thank you Tatsuya Kinoshita and Romain Francoise for providing these
> packages! Now all I need is antialised fonts :-) 

Seconded, to all involved.  



Patrick


Call Pantek today for Open Source Technical Support at 1-877-546-8934 - 24/7/365X

Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 22:37:20 -0500


From: Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>


To: hce <webmail.hce@gmail.com>


Cc: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Network is unreachable email error

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[back on list]



On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:40:09 +1100


hce <webmail.hce@gmail.com> wrote:


> On Dec 10, 2007 7:35 AM, Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]


> > > The port 25 return error immediately, is it port 25 problem?
> > >
> > > Seems it is a network connection problem, isn't it?
> >
> > Many ISPs block port 25; use 465 or 587:
> > http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=13287
> 
> Indeed, my ISP blocks port 25. How can I config the postfix to change
> to use 465 or 587? I have following  sasl_passwd:
> 
> smtp.gmail.com webmail@gmail.com

Sorry, I don't know postfix; I use exim.


Do you need help?X
> Jim

Celejar

--
mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email
ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator


Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:21:39 -0600
From: Sam Leon <sam@datanet.ath.cx>
To:  debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards
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Ed Curtis wrote:

> i'll teach you to turn away. wrote:
>> Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:
>> ASW> [-- text/plain, encoding quoted-printable, charset: us-ascii, 13 
>> lines --]
>> ASW> Totally OT, except it's on my debian box ;)
>> ASW> If you need that amazingly insightful gift for someone (yourself?)
>> ASW> this year, check out www.clickykeyboards.com for real IBM
>> ASW> keyboards. Mine just arrived and I'm in heaven.
>>     i've been using model M2s (1395300) exclusively for over the past 
>> decade. each one usually lasts 3-6 years, & i'm getting near needing 
>> another. unfortunately clickykeyboards.com doesn't have one in stock, 
>> & judging by their prices, i can do MUCH better. the last one i 
>> purchased was $25, & that was the most i've ever paid for one. ($6 was 
>> the least in 1997.)
>>   
> You have got to be kidding me!! They actually charge this much for these 
> things!! I have a buddy that has 2 HUGE boxes full of keyboards from 
> yesteryear. He may just have a goldmine in his attic and not even know it.
> 
> 


Well if someone wants to sell me one let me know.  I am most certainly 
not paying $125 for one.

Sam



Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:33:37 -0600
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To:  debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Loosing internet after suspend
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On 12/10/07 19:03, John Patton wrote:

> After bringing up my system after a suspend to disk, i lose internet
> access. When i try to restart networking, i get the following:
> 
>   SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
>   eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
>   eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
>   Bind socket to interface: No such device
>   Failed to bring up eth0.
> 
> eth0 is, of course, the card that connects to my cable modem. The only
> way i know to get it back is to restart the computer! I've looked
> everywhere i can think of to look, but i just don't know how to
> reactivate that device.
> 
> My wife is getting angry with Linux, which isn't good! If someone could
> help me out here i would greatly appreciate it. Even just some ideas
> about where to look would be good.
> 
> If you need any other information about my system, please just let me know.


In order that we don't tell you things that you've already tried,
please tell us what remediative steps have you tried.

Also, which desktop environment.

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

"Your mistletoe is no match for my TOW missile."  Santa-bot
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Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:38:54 +0900
From: David <davidpalmer@westnet.com.au>
To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Math Programme.
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Hello,

Something of interest to those of a mathematical bent:-

http://www.sagemath.org/

Regards,
-- 
David Palmer
Linux User - #352034



Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:13:49 +0200
From: wanderlust <wanderlust@ukr.net>
To: "Debian-user (debian help)" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Wating for root file system. Kernel bug?
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Hello.

I'm trying to install Debian/etch on Acer Aspire 5520G, but the problem
is, that kernel 2.6.18 doesn't support Marvell netcard 436b. I found it
is supportable in 2.6.23.9, so I decided to compile it. I used default
configuration, taken from /proc/config.gz and after compiling and
installing (using modules on initrd) I had to reboot to new kernel.

But I got a failure. Everything seems ok during loading from initrd, but
kernel couldn't find root filesystem (module is available). I looked
through /dev and found none sd devices (there is SATA disk on the
laptop). Any ideas how to solve a problem? It works fine with 2.6.18
kernel.

Sincerely,
wanderlust



Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 05:36:35 -0700
From: Nate Duehr <nate@natetech.com>
To: Debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards
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On Dec 8, 2007, at 11:42 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:


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> On 12/08/07 12:17, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>> On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 11:54:57AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> Listening to people sing in Italian (or German) about incest and
>>> matricide is not my cup of tea.
>>
>> sounds like a python bit
>
> The language or the comedy troop?
>
> Anyway, no one can convince me that opera is nothing more than
> pre-television HBO.


Your joke would be funnier if you used MTV or VH1 instead of HBO.

--
Nate Duehr
nate@natetech.com



Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:13:07 -0800
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards
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On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 10:18:55AM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:

>
> On Dec 7, 2007, at 10:27 PM, Nate Duehr wrote:
>> Humbug.  If you learned hot to type *properly* on a real IBM Selectric=

=20

>> (hint: you never pushed the key down past the "click", certainly never t=

o=20

>> the stops), using a clicky keyboard today won't cause you carpal tunnel=

=20

>> any faster than a squish-box typed on improperly will.  The click was=20
>> meant to simulate the action of the typewriter ball smacking the paper f=

or=20

>> those of us who learned how to type on typewriters.
>
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of=20

> this than most.


and the click *exactly* coincides with the letter being recognised by
the machine. There is no need to bottom out one of this keyboards. On
a modern keyboard, try *very* slowly pressing a key while watching the
screen. You can get the key to "click" without causing an event. That
means that it you are touch typing, you are relying on the letter
showing on the screen to determine when to stop pressing the key
instead of relying on the tactile feedback.=20


>
> I noticed the importance of this pretty early when I realized how much=20
> faster I could type on an IBM keyboard than on a Apple or Commodore.  The=

=20

> keyboards on the latter two machines had no tactile feedback -- the keys=

=20

> just bottomed out.  (Although neither was as bad as the rubber "chiclet"=

=20

> keys on the PC Jr. ;) )


The commodore keyboard pretty much sucked, I'm sad to admit as I still
love my old commodore... :(=20

How about the Atari 800 (or was it the 400?) that had the bare
membrane. ugh. now that was crap!

A

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Do you need more help?X

Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:54:57 -0600
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To:  debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards
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On 12/08/07 06:45, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

> Ron Johnson wrote:
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>> On 12/06/07 21:16, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
>>> On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:45:12PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>> Orchestral music doesn't seem to have a consistent rhythm in the
>>>> same sense that "common" music does.
>>> Try Bach. 
>>> I know its not orchestral but try Toccata and Fugue in D minor; the
>>> fugue part.  However, I'm assuming that you only have one keyboard on
>>> which to type not the 3 (or was it four) for which it was written.  :)
>>
>> As a matter of fact, I listened to them earlier this afternoon.
>>
> 
> I download KUSC's Sunday night opera every week. Lovely. Was Massenet's
> Werther last Sunday.


Listening to people sing in Italian (or German) about incest and
matricide is not my cup of tea.

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA  USA

"Your mistletoe is no match for my TOW missile."  Santa-bot
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:49:37 +0100
From: Bruno Costacurta <pubmb.bco@pt.lu>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Ping works but not internet
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On Tuesday 11 December 2007 22:29:09 Guillaume wrote:

> Axel Minck a =E9crit :
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> >
> >
> > I recently installed Debian on my computer (2.6.18 kernel).
> >
> >
> >
> > After some time to configure the wireless internet access, I can:
> >
> > -          Ping addresses
> >
> > -          Go to Google homepage (sometimes I cannot even open Google)
> >
> > -          Carry out searches on Google
> >
> >
> >
> > But I can=92t go to any other address. Even in Google=92s results list,
> > clicking on a link  will result in a timed out error.
> >
> > In parallel, I can ping the addresses I cannot access with the navigato=

r.

> >
> >
> >
> > Does someone have an idea to solve this ? It seems very strange=85.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance !
>
> Hi
>
> Are you bind a router of any sort ????
>
> This sounds like a MTU problem !
>
> Little packet (ping) are ok but not large packet(surfing).
>
> Regards
> Guillaume
>
>
> --
> Guillaume
> E-mail: silencer_<at>_free-4ever_<dot>_net
> Blog: http://guillaume.free-4ever.net
> ----
> Site: http://www.free-4ever.net


I had same problem in the past,
indeed due to an incorrect MTU value (as Guillaume suggest)
Bye,
Bruno



Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:12:19 +0100
From: Bonnel Christophe <mage.tophinus@free.fr>
To:  debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Ping works but not internet
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Guillaume a =E9crit :

> Axel Minck a =E9crit :
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> =20
>>
>> I recently installed Debian on my computer (2.6.18 kernel).
>>
>> =20
>>
>> After some time to configure the wireless internet access, I can:
>>
>> -          Ping addresses
>>
>> -          Go to Google homepage (sometimes I cannot even open Google)
>>
>> -          Carry out searches on Google
>>
>> =20
>>
>> But I can=92t go to any other address. Even in Google=92s results list=

,=20

>> clicking on a link  will result in a timed out error.
>>
>> In parallel, I can ping the addresses I cannot access with the=20
>> navigator.
>>
>> =20
>>
>> Does someone have an idea to solve this ? It seems very strange=85.
>>
>> =20
>>
>> Thanks in advance !
>>
>> =20
>>
>> =20
>>
>
> Hi
>
> Are you bind a router of any sort ????
>
> This sounds like a MTU problem !
>
> Little packet (ping) are ok but not large packet(surfing).
>
> Regards
> Guillaume
>
>

I had the same problem and it was a MTU problem as Guillaume says.
In your /etc/network/interfaces file, add these lines where you=20
configure your wireless connection :
        mtu 1450
        up echo "0" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling
        up echo "0" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn

Then restart network with :
/etc/init.d/networking restart

And try again to use internet, it works for me.

Hope this helps
Christophe



Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:47:34 +0100
From: Firebeam <M.Baldinelli@agora.it>
To: debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: reporting aptitude errors
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roberto wrote:

> hello
> i am receiving a long list of errors from aptitude but i do not know
> how to copy and post them here ...


I suppose you run aptitude's "full screen" user interface. You can use 
it from the command line too, just like apt-get, e.g.:

# aptitude install <package_name>

so, this way, I think you just redirect aptitude's output:

# aptitude install <package_name> > aptitude.log

(maybe should it be "2> aptitude.log"?)

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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:55:56 +1100
From: Charlie <ariestao@clearmail.com.au>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: KDE doesn't connect to HAL
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On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Gebhardt Thomas shared this with us all:

>--} When I klick on an icon in the konqueror "Storage Media" menu, then I
> get --} the error message "Feature only available with HAL".


You have installed hal?

# apt-get install hal

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Date:  Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:18:40 -0600
From:  Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:  Re: Compile Error, Debian 2.6.23.9
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Telly Williams wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> 	I've been trying to compile the 2.6.23.9 Debian kernel onto an
> 	IBM Thinkpad 570.  I keep getting this error:
> 
> 	drivers/net/usb/cdc_subset.c:222:2: error: You need to configure
> 	some hardware for this driver
> 
> 	I decided to use the existing configuration file on my system
> 	and I still get this error.  What is being compiled that I
> 	shouldn't be compiling?  Thanks.
> 


I may be dense but what exactly are you compiling?

I just compiled the 2.6.23-1-686 kernel because I wanted to add the ck 
patch and then recompiling is the only way.

Hugo



Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:39:01 -0800
From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu>
To: Debian List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: buying TV card:  somewhat OT
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On Dec 11, 2007, at 9:43 AM, Bob McGowan wrote:

> I was under the impression that, even with CPU based encoding, the  
> recording process went directly to the compressed format.


It doesn't have to -- it depends on the software you're using.   
Usually *some* kind of compression is used, though, because otherwise  
the disk space and disk bandwidth requirements become unwieldy.  Even  
professional digital video systems generally use some kind of  
compression at every step of the process.

If you're talking specifically about MythTV, yes, there's always some  
form of compression.  A PVR without compression wouldn't be able to  
record a useful amount of material.



Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:57:31 -0700
From: Telly Williams <twilliams001@elp.rr.com>
To: Debian Users <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Compile Error, Debian 2.6.23.9
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> I may be dense but what exactly are you compiling?


	The 2.6.23.9 kernel obtained from kernel.org.  Kernel
	recompiling works on my Microtel without errors.  Like the error
	said, it looks like a hardware error dealing with the USB port,
	but I loaded the configuration file located in /boot that was
	installed by default.


> I just compiled the 2.6.23-1-686 kernel because I wanted to add the ck 
> patch and then recompiling is the only way.
> 

	I need that kernel for a usb-->ethernet adapter that I bought.

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