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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 3003

Today's Topics: 

  Re: Getting segmentation faults with  [ Rico Secada  ]
  aptitude update "BADSIG" error        [ Nick  ]
  Re: aptitude crashing x?              [ "Douglas A. Tutty"  ]
  Re: Latest kernel security update wo  [ Marc Auslander  ]
  Re: import in kino from screen recor  [ Darko  ]
  Re: KDE doesn't connect to HAL        [ Gebhardt Thomas  ]
  emacs keys in other applications      [ Pavel SRB  ]
  ac adapter serious problem            [ roberto  ]

Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:22:40 +0100
From: Rico Secada <coolzone@it.dk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Getting segmentation faults with glxinfo, mplayer and others 

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On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:57:16 -0600
"Sergio Cu=E9llar Vald=E9s" <herrsergio@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2007/12/13, Rico Secada <coolzone@it.dk>:
> > On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:39:11 +0100
> > Rico Secada <coolzone@it.dk> wrote:
> >
> > Solution found!
> >
> > Can someone please explain why doing this:
> >
> > touch /etc/ld.so.nohwcap
> >
> > Solves the problem?
> >
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > I am running Debian stable.
> > >
> > > Suddenly when I run mplayer, xine, xmms, glxinfo and other I get
> > > segmentation fault.
> > >
> > > I have tried running both with and with Nvidia drivers.
> > >
> > > I have run a memtest without any errors.
> > >
> > > What can be causing this?

>=20

> Hello,
>=20

> weird situation, I dont know why works with that solution.
>=20

> But you can try to "debug" your problem, executing that programs with
> strace.

>=20
> $ strace xmms

Undoing the solution and then using strave with xmms or mplayer or vlc gives this output error:

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access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) =3D -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) 

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> Sergio Cuellar
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:28:29 +0000
From: Nick <nick@glimmer.demon.co.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: aptitude update "BADSIG" error 

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While I'm looking at aptitude, it seems worth mentioning a problem I've been seeing since Etch was released: that is 'aptitude update' downloads the updated package lists (or not, if they haven't changed), and then reports that the GPG signature on something (that is not clearly identified) is invalid. On every occasion, the solution is simply to rerun 'aptitude update', which then completes successfully.

I remember seeing someone post (can't find it now) that they thought this was due to an incorrect/inconsistent repository, and that the rerun works because it picks up a different repository machine in some kind of DNS round-robin server cluster.

If that's the case, why hasn't the repository error been corrected by now ?

Here's an instance from 22.Nov.2007 : 

ETCHBOX:/etc/apt# aptitude update
Get:1 

Do you need more help?X

http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg [189B]
Get:2 
http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release [22.5kB]
Get:3 
http://ftp.de.debian.org etch Release.gpg [378B]
Hit 
http://ftp.de.debian.org etch Release
Ign 
http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release
Ign 
http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex
Ign http://ftp.de.debian.org etch/main Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages/DiffIndex Get:4 http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages [216kB] Hit http://ftp.de.debian.org etch/main Packages Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages Fetched 238kB in 1s (200kB/s)
Reading package lists... Done
W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems 
ETCHBOX:/etc/apt# aptitude update
Get:1 
http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release.gpg [189B]
Get:2 
http://ftp.de.debian.org etch Release.gpg [378B]
Hit 
http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release
Hit 
http://ftp.de.debian.org etch Release
Ign 
http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex
Ign 
http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages/DiffIndex
Ign 
http://ftp.de.debian.org etch/main Packages/DiffIndex
Hit 
http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages
Hit http://ftp.de.debian.org etch/main Packages Hit http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages Fetched 190B in 0s (522B/s)
Reading package lists... Done

Anyone got any clues about this ?
Does anyone else see the syndrome ?

Can we help you?X

Cheers,
Nick Boyce 

-- 
'If you don't pray in my school, I won't think in your church'

Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:32:22 -0500 From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: aptitude crashing x? Message-ID: <20071214013222.GA7616@titan.hooton> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Dec 08, 2007 at 08:01:14AM -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 07:30:43PM -0800, joseph lockhart <jwl_andlovesaidno@yahoo.com> was heard to say:

> > > Does it go through the usual reboot procedure (so
> > >you see "stopping
> > >down ___ ... done") or does it just abruptly reset?
> >
> > yes it is the full reboot, stopping, killing, then
> > rebooting, just as if i told it to reboot from the
> > menu
>
> OK, then I doubt it's a hardware problem.
>
> Did you install any new packages just before this started happening?
>
What if something is triggering a [whatever apm is now] event that causes an orderly shutdown as if you had hit the power button? Sure software can do that, but a hardware fluke could too. Could a fritzy PSU do that? If the MB BIOS is montioring voltage won't it shutdown on unstable power supply or a device going over-temp? Is there any way to: 1. Set up a serial console and log everthing? 2. Set the kernel to produce lots of commentary on what is happening and send that to the console? 3. Set syslog to send everything to the console? ? Do the aptitude thing as in the past, from X. Repeat from a normal term (no X running). Exercise the system not using aptitude: try making a tarball of /usr. If you're set up for compiling, compile a kernel. Exercise the disk swap system: put /tmp on tmpfs, put a big file on it (unpack usr.tgz), then start up iceweasel and open lots of tabs; get the machine to really use swap. Just some ideas to track it down. Doug.

Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:57:15 -0500 From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards Message-ID: <20071214015715.GB7616@titan.hooton> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 01:07:34PM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 11:16:47AM -0800, David Brodbeck wrote:
> > On Dec 10, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> >> How about the Atari 800 (or was it the 400?) that had the bare
> >> membrane. ugh. now that was crap!
> >
> > Fortunately I never had the displeasure of using one of those. I did have
> > to use an Atari 800XL for a while, at one job. That one at least had real
> > keys, although the touch wasn't any better than on a Commodore keyboard.
>
> I can remember typing in hundreds of lines of BASIC on that thing at
> my buddy's house. Lucky for me, I had a C-64, so my own hacking was
> not so impaired...
Anybody remember the Timex/Sinclair 1000? It has a pure membrane keyboard built-in. The whole box was about 8" square. BASIC keywords were given to each key for programming. 1 MHz Z-80 with 16 KB ram with, I think, a connection to an audio tape deck for storage. I did my first Z-80 assembly on that beast. Doug.

Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:59:58 -0500 From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards Message-ID: <20071214015958.GC7616@titan.hooton> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 07:26:25AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 12/09/07 06:34, Nate Duehr wrote:
> > On Dec 8, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >>
> >> Listening to people sing in Italian (or German) about incest and
> >> matricide is not my cup of tea.
> >
> > We'll make sure not to ever invite you to any Shakespeare plays then,
> > either.
>
> The differences between Elizabethan English and modern American
> makes Shakespeare is pretty difficult for me, constantly having to
> think about what the phrase means, or having to pause the flow and
> look down into the footnotes to determine the archaic meaning of a
> word or phrase.
To understand Shakespeare, just put your mind in the gutter. Although, "Do you bite your thumb at me" really does refer to the first digit of the hand. Doug.

Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:45:13 -0800 From: "David Fox" <dfox94085@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Fwd: Installing Etch and upgrading or Lenny directly Message-ID: <359a3c580712131845h7ec6d09fs628f4c6da27a5007@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Fox <dfox94085@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:41:37 -0800 Subject: Re: Installing Etch and upgrading or Lenny directly To: debian-users@lists.debian.org On 12/10/07, Guillermo Garron <guillermo.fedora@gmail.com> wrote:
> After almost a year with Etch, I want to go to Lenny, I am going to
> reinstall my Debian (other reasons), the question is:
Why not simply adjust your sources list to reflect lenny (or testing) and do # aptitude update # aptitude dist-upgrade I did that - about 6 months ago, back then I had actually ran etch (stable) for about 2 months or so.
> (I know it is more bandwidth installing etch and then go to lenny, but
> I am talking about the Debian itself)
If your disk is wiped, start from the latest available lenny disks (or the jigdo weekly build) as a base, then update & dist-upgrade to get the "latest" lenny. If you already have debian on the hard drive, then you shouldn't need to "reinstall" anyihing to get to lenny, just update your sources.list and do the update && dist-upgrade.
> etch vs stable
If you specify "etch" - you get to keep on using "etch". Eventually, "lenny" will become stable, so when that happens, you get to keep running "etch". You may not want to do that. If you specify "stable" you will always be running the stable du jour (or is it "du an?" :) and when Lenny becomes stable, you'll be running lenny.
> lenny vs testing
Same thing. If you run "lenny" you will reach a point when lenny becomes stable, and you will always be running lenny - so at some point, little to no updates, other than security/bugfixes.

Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:54:49 -0500 From: Marc Auslander <marcslists@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Latest kernel security update wont boot resolved Message-ID: <4761f07a$0$5939$607ed4bc@cv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem is operator (that's me) stupidity. I have an overloaded find so I can say find foo and have it mean find . -name foo -print mkinitramfs uses find . | cpio to build the initrd.img I have my stuff in the path (yeh i know i know) I've wasted my time - i deserve it - and your time - you don't. Sorry. I'll try to be more careful :-)

Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:22:26 -0500 From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: server name Message-ID: <20071214032226.GC9659@titan.hooton> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 10:18:10PM -0800, rockymaxsource wrote:
>
> My company has a server whose name is server1.domain.net. The server
> has WHM / Cpanel. We are thinking of migrate to another server. We
> want to name is server2.domain.net. Is this cause any problem?
As I see it, the problems will come when the clients of that server try to send a request to server1.domain.net and can't find the server. I have a book, The Practice of System and Network Administration by Linoncelli and Hogan that suggests that the work-around is to use name aliases. I.e, have the box names actually server1.domain.net and server2.domain.net but have function names which clients will actually use, such as lpr.domain.net, mail.domain.net, etc. This way, you can have both boxes set up on the network. As you get each service running on the new box, you change the box pointed to by your DNS (whether named, a distribued /etc/hosts file, or whatever). However, to be specific, I don't know what WHM or Cpanel are so I could be totally off-base. YMMV. Doug.

Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:29:07 +0000 From: Mihira Fernando <mihiratheace@gmail.com> To: Debian User <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Network is unreachable email error Message-Id: <200712141029.08099.mihiratheace@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Thu December 13 2007 9:16 pm, hce wrote:
> $ sudo apt-get install sasl
> E: Couldn't find package sasl
>
> What is the SASL package name?
> Thank you.
> Kind Regards,
> Jim
$apt-cache search libsasl I believe the package is libsasl2 Mihira. PS. Please send replies to list only. -- Random Quotes From Megas XLR Coop: You see? The mysteries of the Universe are revealed when you break stuff. Jamie: When in doubt, blow up a planet. Kiva: It's an 80 foot robot, if we can't see it, absolutely it's not here. Glorft Technician: Unnecessary use of force in capturing the Earthers has been approved.

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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:32:21 -0500 From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: How Linux becomes Windows Message-ID: <20071214033221.GD9659@titan.hooton> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 05:27:30PM +0100, Dirk wrote:
> I won't start commenting on all this HAL, udev and similar bullshit.
>
> But this error message when I used modconf: "update-modules deprecated"
>
> Is another sign that people here are trying to emulate even the bad
> sides of Windows.
>
> *I* (ME!) wan't to have fucking control over my modules back you
> frickin' desktop loving auto-this, auto-that assholes!!!!
Try OpenBSD. No modules to worry about, no auto-anything, dmesg shows you everything you have and where it is. Simple. Only downsides: if you need a module for some piece of closed-source hardware; package management is quite as simple as with aptitude; no volume-management like LVM or easy software-raid; no flash-enabled browser. I agree that linux has become a cliky-pointy-lindows thingy unless you fight it. I don't do CUPS, I don't do DTE. I use lpr, CLI, startx, icewm. To mount a USB stick I have an entry in fstab for /dev/sdc1. If udev were to act up, I'd use LABLE=stick1: this is the fight-it part. Doug.

Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:22:13 -0500 From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Initial boot messages on terminal Message-ID: <20071214042213.GG9659@titan.hooton> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 10:39:39AM -0500, Marc Auslander wrote:
> Is there a boot option to have the terminal pause at each page of
> messages. For early boot problems, I can't see the messages that lead
> to the panic, because they scroll off the screen.
Best bet is to set up a serial console and connect with another computer running something like minicom. Or you can use a serial or paralell printer as a console so message go to the printer as well as the screen. See the remote-serial-console-HOWTO. Doug.

Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:00:19 -0500 From: Hal Vaughan <hal@thresholddigital.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: How Linux becomes Windows Message-Id: <200712140100.19232.hal@thresholddigital.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 13 December 2007, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 05:27:30PM +0100, Dirk wrote:
> > I won't start commenting on all this HAL, udev and similar
> > bullshit.
> >
> > But this error message when I used modconf: "update-modules
> > deprecated"
> >
> > Is another sign that people here are trying to emulate even the bad
> > sides of Windows.
> >
> > *I* (ME!) wan't to have fucking control over my modules back you
> > frickin' desktop loving auto-this, auto-that assholes!!!!
>
> Try OpenBSD. No modules to worry about, no auto-anything, dmesg
> shows you everything you have and where it is. Simple. Only
> downsides: if you need a module for some piece of closed-source
> hardware; package management is quite as simple as with aptitude; no
> volume-management like LVM or easy software-raid; no flash-enabled
> browser.
>
> I agree that linux has become a cliky-pointy-lindows thingy unless
> you fight it. I don't do CUPS, I don't do DTE. I use lpr, CLI,
> startx, icewm. To mount a USB stick I have an entry in fstab for
> /dev/sdc1. If udev were to act up, I'd use LABLE=stick1: this is the
> fight-it part.
Personally, I find a lot of these things let me focus on doing the work I need to do as opposed to having to spend time thinking about how I'm going to do something or making sure I can do something. Different methods work for different people. It's cliche, but true. Some people think better with a visual interface. It's just a different learning or processing style. What I like about Linux is that I have the choice. When I'm programming, I use a simple editor and am constantly using the CLI. When I'm writing film scripts, I need as intuitive and visual an interface as possible. Both use different parts of the brain. Hal

Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:03:17 +0000 From: Steve Kemp <skx@debian.org> To: Dave <dmehler26@woh.rr.com> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: exim as a nullclient Message-ID: <20071214070317.GA14943@steve.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu Dec 13, 2007 at 16:39:21 -0500, Dave wrote:
> I've got a new Debian box that's running exim. I'd like to set it up as a
> nullclient, that is it sends all mail, like from cron and so forth, to a
> central mail server. Is there a setup to make this happen?
A) You'd be better off using ssmtp, nullmailer, etc. B) Yes. Run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and choose the 'satelite' option. Steve -- Debian GNU/Linux System Administration http://www.debian-administration.org/

Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:04:06 +0000 From: Darko <darkom@post.htnet.hr> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org CC: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: import in kino from screen recording tools (avi, mov, ?) Message-ID: <47624706.9020505@post.htnet.hr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul Csanyi wrote:
> Hello!
>
> 2007/12/12, Peter Werner <debian@artemis.in-ulm.de>:
>
>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 10:36:41PM +0100, Paul Csanyi wrote: >> >>> But I can't to import them on Debian Etc with kino. >>> I get an error message: >>> Failed to load media file >>> "/dfat32/Iskola/SketchUp video folveteleim/sketchup.avi.dv" >>> or >>> Failed to load media file "/dfat32/Iskola/SketchUp video \ >>> folveteleim/SketchUp_folvetelem.mov.dv" >>> >> AFAIK kino can only use dv files, so in converts any imported >> files to dv before processing. your problem now seems to be, that >> you can't write in "/dfat32/Iskola/SketchUp video folveteleim/" >> please check weather it is mounted read-only, has the wrong >> permissions or has no free space left. >> >
> Now I have moved the SketchUp_folvetelem.mov file in my
> /home/username/Kino/ directory and try to import it from there
> in to the Kino, but get the same error message:
> Failed to load media file "/home/csanyipal/Kino/sketchup.avi.dv"
>
> The /home/ directory have 7.21 GB free space left,
> it is mounted read/write, and
> /home/username/Kino/ have usual permissons: 755.
>
> Are there some application that can to convert avi, or mov
> format in to the dv fo
>
mencoder -mc 0 -noskip -oac pcm -ovc lavc -ffourcc DX50 -o output.avi input.mov ffmpeg -i input.avi -s pal -r pal -aspect 4:3 -ar 48000 -ac 2 output.dv

Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:09:28 +0100 From: Gebhardt Thomas <gebhardt@hrz.uni-marburg.de> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es> Subject: Re: KDE doesn't connect to HAL Message-Id: <200712141009.28826.gebhardt@hrz.uni-marburg.de> Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, On Wednesday 12 December 2007 18:11, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> Run
> lshal --monitor
> and plug in the usb drive. Post the output that you get. (You might have
> to wait a few seconds; CTRL-C stops the monitoring.)
great hint! Thanks! I get: # lshal --monitor Start monitoring devicelist: ------------------------------------------------- usb_device_457_150_cd2b3031a15bd1 added usb_device_457_150_cd2b3031a15bd1_if0 added usb_device_457_150_cd2b3031a15bd1_if0_scsi_host added usb_device_457_150_cd2b3031a15bd1_usbraw added usb_device_457_150_cd2b3031a15bd1_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun0 added usb_device_457_150_cd2b3031a15bd1_if0_scsi_host_scsi_device_lun0_scsi_generic added storage_serial_256MB_USB2_0FlashDrive_cd2b3031a15bd1 added volume_uuid_443C_F25C added ------- Then a popup windows appears: A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal") ------- This error message helped me to track down the the problem: A line "session sufficient pam_ldap.so" in /etc/pam.d/common-session was missing. Since we're using LDAP for user authentication, this prevented HAL/debus from working. Thanks a lot, Thomas

Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:37:42 +0000 From: Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards Message-ID: <20071214083742.51138a6f@abydos.stargate.org.uk> Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/IF5JhHNzL.G85sKnmnu1lxk"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 --Sig_/IF5JhHNzL.G85sKnmnu1lxk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:57:15 -0500 "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> wrote: Hello Douglas,
> Anybody remember the Timex/Sinclair 1000? It has a pure membrane
AKA the Sinclair ZX-81, in the UK. First computer I owned. Sinclair followed it with the Spectrum, a colour machine (the '81 was B&W, block GFX only). The keyboard on that, although not a membrane was also hideous. It felt a bit like a dead fish. Several companies produced "real" keyboards for both machines.
> keyboard built-in. The whole box was about 8" square. BASIC keywords
> were given to each key for programming. 1 MHz Z-80 with 16 KB ram
1k as standard, the 16k RAM pack was extra. It had the knack of "wobbling" at the wrong time and as a result, you'd lose your program.
> with, I think, a connection to an audio tape deck for storage. I did
Ah, tape. Mmmmm....... --=20 Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I'm surfing on a wave of nostalgia for an age yet to come Nostalgia - The Buzzcocks --Sig_/IF5JhHNzL.G85sKnmnu1lxk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHYkDZSXvR9Iq2E38RAjvVAJwK8GNoH+0+nD92PiGtqnIFdQVM0wCfTpEJ 2wS364HyxqTspAtsc9At4xY= =iCw2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/IF5JhHNzL.G85sKnmnu1lxk--

Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:32:38 +0100 From: Pavel SRB <srb@heckler-koch.cz> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: emacs keys in other applications Message-ID: <47624DB6.7000903@heckler-koch.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi all debian xterm or konsole, has default key settings like in emacs. It also work in other console applications like centericq, python shell and others. Please is there a way to set this also for mcedit or others like thunderbird, mozilla, or gui appplications. thank you pavel srb

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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:19:48 +0100 From: roberto <roberto03@gmail.com> To: debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: ac adapter serious problem Message-ID: <4bcde3e10712140219v50d1c46dq2e990075a6a2cbad@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hello unfortunately, i encountered a bad problem in my laptop (Dell Latitude D600) very frequent on these models: sometimes, the BIOS does not recognize the ac adapter and this seriously prevents the system performance: the CPU works at 600MHz (instead of 2000MHz); if the battery is not at 100% then the ac adapter cannot recharge it and so on... now, since the current can flow inside the pc i'd like to tell Debian to force the CPU working at full speed, without concerns about the adapter i post here this output since it may be helpful: ~$ cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/power active state: C2 default state: C1 bus master activity: ffffffff states: C1: promotion[C2] demotion[--] latency[000] usage[00198990] *C2: promotion[C3] demotion[C1] latency[050] usage[01315600] C3: promotion[--] demotion[C2] latency[050] usage[00000000] thank you very much -- roberto OS: GNU/Linux, Debian End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #3003 ************************************************** Received on Fri Dec 14 05:43:22 2007

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