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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 3006

Today's Topics: 

  Re: Recording PCM output to file      [ Florian Kulzer  ]
  Re: OT: clicky keyboards              [ Brad Rogers  ]
  Send stderr to variable, but send st  [ "Tony Heal"  ]
  Re: aptitude update "BADSIG" error    [ Andrei Popescu  ]
  dhcdbd and network errors             [ Paul Cartwright  ]
  Re: OT: clicky keyboards              [ Brad Rogers  ]
  Re: Preferred Backup Method?          [ David  ]
  Re: Anyone using Debian on notebook?  [ Jose Luis Rivas Contreras 

Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:38:45 +0100


From: Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Subject: Re: Recording PCM output to file

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On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 13:13:06 +0530, Kumar Appaiah wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 06:05:43PM +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > Are you sure that you have tried all possible configurations for setting
> > the capture controls? Post the output of the "amixer" command.
> 
> Yes, I am sure.
> 
> Here's the amixer output, if it helps.

[...]


> Simple mixer control 'Capture',0
>   Capabilities: cvolume cswitch
>   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Capture 0 - 35
>   Front Left: Capture 35 [100%] [35.00dB] [on]
>   Front Right: Capture 35 [100%] [35.00dB] [on]
> Simple mixer control 'Capture',1
>   Capabilities: cvolume cswitch
>   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Capture 0 - 35
>   Front Left: Capture 35 [100%] [35.00dB] [on]
>   Front Right: Capture 35 [100%] [35.00dB] [on]
> Simple mixer control 'Channel Mode',0
>   Capabilities: enum
>   Items: '2ch' '6ch'
>   Item0: '2ch'
> Simple mixer control 'Digital',0
>   Capabilities: cvolume
>   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
>   Limits: Capture 0 - 120
>   Front Left: Capture 120 [100%] [30.00dB]
>   Front Right: Capture 120 [100%] [30.00dB]
> Simple mixer control 'Input Source',0
>   Capabilities: cenum
>   Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' 'Line' 'CD'
>   Item0: 'Line'
> Simple mixer control 'Input Source',1
>   Capabilities: cenum
>   Items: 'Mic' 'Front Mic' 'Line' 'CD'
>   Item0: 'Line'
Do you need help?X

Hmm, that looks indeed like it should record. I assume you also tried it
with less amplification on the capture channels? (The settings above
could maybe trigger some sort of overload protection.) 



Do you have a microphone to check if you can record from it?
(Input Source = Mic)


-- 
Regards,            | 
http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
          Florian   |


Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:00:08 -0800
From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu>
To: Debian List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Preferred Backup Method?
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On Dec 14, 2007, at 8:16 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

> No.  There's a fundamental difference between FreeBSD and OpenBSD.
> FreeBSD seems to have an attitude to Linux as Linux has to  
> Windows.  Try
> to be like them and convert users by making configs easy.  OpenBSD  
> does
> nothing to convert users; it doesn't care about users.  Its by
> developers for developers.  Developers can write their own rc.local
> snippet.


I'm sure that's a lot of it.  But I think I should point out the  
FreeBSD solution does more than let you avoid writing something in  
rc.local.  Adding a snippet in rc.local will get your daemon up all  
right, but it provides no way to have your daemon shut down in an  
orderly fashion the way FreeBSD's /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ setup does.   
I've always thought this was the biggest shortcoming of BSD init vs.  
SysV init. -- BSD init only solves half the problem.



Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:05:05 +0200
From: "Dotan Cohen" <dotancohen@gmail.com>
To: "Mitja Podreka" <mojdebian@gmail.com>
Cc: Debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Cannot install skype
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:02:12 +0000
From: Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:05:48 -0800
Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:

Hello Andrew,


> On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 08:37:42AM +0000, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > AKA the Sinclair ZX-81, in the UK.  First computer I owned.
> I remember those (US). THere was a lot of competition between all of
> us (this was 8th - 11th grade for me) with those kids who had the


I was a bit older than that, I'd been at work for a few years by the
time the ZX81 came out.


> Atari based rigs being all uppity about their games or something, and


I bought an 800, and later, a 130XE.  The 800 was built like a tank, as
you're no doubt aware.  Marvellous machines.  They never got the
recognition they deserved over here.  Largely because of the cost.


> Sorry, I got off track there. The Timex... hmmm... some kid had one


Thread drift;  "Stuff happens", as they say.   :-)


> but I don't think anyone ever got it to do anything interesting. I
> remember that the keyboard was hideous though.=20


That's putting it mildly, I reckon.   :-)

--=20
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"

Bet you thought you had it all worked out
Problem - Sex Pistols

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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:58:37 +0000
From: Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:49:13 -0500
"Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> wrote:

Hello Douglas,


> opto-isolator for it.  So I used the TV screen.  I covered the top
> half with photo-sensors.  Had my program put black blobs on the
> appropriate spot on the screen and that did whatever to the


That has got to be *the* most bizarre opto-isolation I've come across.


> submarine.  Looked wierd but at least a power short on the sub


"Weird" barely begins to cover it, Douglas.   :-)

--=20
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"

When I say ugly, I don't mean rough looking, I mean hideous
Ugly - The Stranglers

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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:56:36 -0500
From: "Tony Heal" <theal@pace2020.com>
To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Send stderr to variable, but send stdout to screen?
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I have an error handling function that traps, reports and exits on an error.
My problem is that I want to do all of that and I want to still see stdout.

Can anyone help with this? Here is the function. If I change sources.list to
have an invalid source it reports, but I do not see the progress when there
is no error.

#!/bin/bash
logfile=/root/upgrade.log

	# R1040 error handling
	function run()
	{
	    CMD=$1
		echo 
	    # Don't abort on errors
	    set +e
	    # Capture STDERR to ERR
	    ERR=$($CMD 2>&1)
	    # Capture return value from command
	    RETVAL=$?
	    # re-enable abort-on-errors
	    set -e

	    return $RETVAL
	}

	function errhandler()
	{
		echo "********** ERROR DETECTED in $CMD **********" | tee -a
$logfile
		echo "********** Error reported was \"$ERR\"" | tee -a
$logfile
		echo "Exiting script abnormally. The error above was
reported in log at $logfile"
		exit 1
	}

	trap errhandler ERR
	run 'apt-get update'
	# should not get past this on error
	echo "no"



Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:31:37 +0200
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: aptitude update "BADSIG" error
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On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 02:28:29AM +0000, Nick wrote:

> While I'm looking at aptitude, it seems worth mentioning a problem I've
> been seeing since Etch was released: that is 'aptitude update' downloads
> the updated package lists (or not, if they haven't changed), and then
> reports that the GPG signature on something (that is not clearly
> identified) is invalid.  On every occasion, the solution is simply to
> rerun 'aptitude update', which then completes successfully.

>=20

> I remember seeing someone post (can't find it now) that they thought
> this was due to an incorrect/inconsistent repository, and that the rerun
> works because it picks up a different repository machine in some kind of
> DNS round-robin server cluster.

>=20

> If that's the case, why hasn't the repository error been corrected by now=

 ?

[snip aptitude output]


> Anyone got any clues about this ?
> Does anyone else see the syndrome ?


I've seen a lot of these the last few months with ftp.ro.debian.org=20
Because the server was down for a few days I switched to=20
ftp.at.debian.org and all my problems are gone.

Regards,
Andrei
--=20
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)

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Do you need more help?X

Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:38:22 +0200
From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Cannot install skype
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On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 04:31:01PM +0100, Dan H wrote:
=20

> Maybe there's some advanced, brute-force and possibly dangerous option=20
> to dpkg that forces an install. Just wait a bit for more suggestions=20
> on this list.


'dpkg --force-help' has more info.

Regards,
Andrei
--=20
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)

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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:13:13 +0100
From: roberto <roberto03@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: ac adapter serious problem
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On Dec 14, 2007 4:34 PM, Benjamin Schmidt <schmidi2@directbox.com> wrote:
>

> roberto wrote:
> > hello
> > unfortunately, i encountered a bad problem in my laptop (Dell Latitude
> > D600) very frequent on these models:
> > sometimes, the BIOS does not recognize the ac adapter and this
> > seriously prevents the system performance: the CPU works at 600MHz
> > (instead of 2000MHz); if the battery is not at 100% then the ac
> > adapter cannot recharge it and so on...
> >
> > now, since the current can flow inside the pc i'd like to tell Debian
> > to force the CPU working at full speed, without concerns about the
> > adapter
> >
> > i post here this output since it may be helpful:
> >
> > ~$ cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/power
> > active state:            C2
> > default state:           C1
> > bus master activity:     ffffffff
> > states:
> >     C1:                  promotion[C2] demotion[--] latency[000] usage[00198990]
> >    *C2:                  promotion[C3] demotion[C1] latency[050] usage[01315600]
> >     C3:                  promotion[--] demotion[C2] latency[050] usage[00000000]
> >
> >
> > thank you very much
> > --
> > roberto
> > OS: GNU/Linux, Debian
> >
> >

>

> Hey Roberto

>

> Best would be doing a bios upgrade, if a newer version is available.

>

> > ~$ cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/power
> > active state:            C2

>

> > ...

>

> to change this state (this is probably your question), do this:

>

> $ su
> # echo 1 > /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/power

>

> The echo-command with the ">" does not work with sudo (or I do not know
> better), so you actually have to be root.

>

> Please note that "/proc/acpi/processor/CPU1/throttling" would also be
> interesting for you.

>

> But still a bios upgrade would be the better solution.


i hardly know how to do it ...
-- 
roberto
OS: GNU/Linux, Debian



Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:22:59 -0500
From: Paul Cartwright <ale@pcartwright.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: dhcdbd and network errors
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my network doesn't come up right now when I reboot.
I looked in message and found this, not sure what it means or if it is an 
issue (I'm using the nv device driver , not nvidia ):
Dec 14 16:01:25 paulandcilla dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not 
found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.host_name
Dec 14 16:01:25 paulandcilla dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not 
found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.domain_name
Dec 14 16:01:25 paulandcilla dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not 
found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.nis_domain
Dec 14 16:01:25 paulandcilla dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not 
found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.nis_servers

 *** WARNING *** Please fix your applic
ation to use the native API of Avahi!
Dec 14 11:57:12 paulandcilla cupsd[3597]: *** WARNING *** For more information 
s
ee <http://0pointer.de/avahi-compat?s=libdns_sd&e=cupsd>
Dec 14 11:57:14 paulandcilla kernel: device eth0 entered promiscuous mode
Dec 14 11:57:14 paulandcilla kernel: audit(1197651433.590:2): dev=eth0 
prom=256 
old_prom=0 auid=4294967295
Dec 14 11:57:14 paulandcilla kernel: device eth0 left promiscuous mode
Dec 14 11:57:14 paulandcilla kernel: audit(1197651434.090:3): dev=eth0 prom=0 
ol
d_prom=256 auid=4294967295
Dec 14 11:57:15 paulandcilla dhcdbd: Started up.
Dec 14 11:57:18 paulandcilla dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not 
found 
under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.reason
Dec 14 11:57:21 paulandcilla kernel: nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints 
kern
el.
Dec 14 11:57:21 paulandcilla kernel: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A] -> 
GSI 
16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16
Dec 14 11:57:21 paulandcilla kernel: NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel 
Module
  100.14.19  Wed Sep 12 14:12:24 PDT 2007


-- 
Paul Cartwright
Registered Linux user # 367800
Registered Ubuntu User #12459



Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:32:00 -0800
From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu>
To: Debian List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards
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On Dec 14, 2007, at 11:58 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:


> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:49:13 -0500
> "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> wrote:

>

> Hello Douglas,

>
>> opto-isolator for it.  So I used the TV screen.  I covered the top
>> half with photo-sensors.  Had my program put black blobs on the
>> appropriate spot on the screen and that did whatever to the
>

> That has got to be *the* most bizarre opto-isolation I've come across.


Didn't Microsoft sell a data wristwatch for a while that was  
programmed by rapidly flashing the screen?  I remember thinking at  
the time that it was rather short-sighted to come out with a product  
that required the user to have a CRT monitor.



Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:43:19 -0600
From: Kent West <westk@acu.edu>
To: Debian List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards
Message-ID: <4762F8F7.3080500@acu.edu>
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David Brodbeck wrote:

> Didn't Microsoft sell a data wristwatch for a while that was 
> programmed by rapidly flashing the screen?  I remember thinking at the 
> time that it was rather short-sighted to come out with a product that 
> required the user to have a CRT monitor.


There was such a watch, but I'm confident it was not a Microsoft brand. 
I'm thinking Timex. I have a co-worker who had one. He's not around at 
the moment to query.


-- 
Kent



Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:48:47 +0000
From: Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: OT: clicky keyboards
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:32:00 -0800
David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu> wrote:

Hello David,


> Didn't Microsoft sell a data wristwatch for a while that was =20
> programmed by rapidly flashing the screen?  I remember thinking at =20


I've no idea, TBH.  I do remember that software was sent by radio wave
for people to copy to tape for the computers.  This was in the UK, and
it was short lived.


> the time that it was rather short-sighted to come out with a product =20
> that required the user to have a CRT monitor.


I take it then, that a TV didn't qualify?

The weirdest thing I've seen is a programmable remote controller (for
TVs, VCRs, etc.) which can be updated from the suppliers web site.
Just put the volume right up on your PCs speakers, and hold the
controller very close to the cone of one of the speakers.

Oh, and I'd recommend wearing ear-plugs whilst you're doing it,
too.   :-)

--=20
 Regards  _
         / )           "The blindingly obvious is
        / _)rad        never immediately apparent"

I'll tell you something, I think that you should know
Rich Kids - Rich Kids

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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 06:48:16 +0900
From: David <davidpalmer@westnet.com.au>
To: Debian List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Preferred Backup Method?
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David Brodbeck wrote:

> 
> On Dec 14, 2007, at 8:16 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

>> No.  There's a fundamental difference between FreeBSD and OpenBSD.
>> FreeBSD seems to have an attitude to Linux as Linux has to Windows.  Try
>> to be like them and convert users by making configs easy.  OpenBSD does
>> nothing to convert users; it doesn't care about users.  Its by
>> developers for developers.  Developers can write their own rc.local
>> snippet.

> 
> I'm sure that's a lot of it.  But I think I should point out the FreeBSD 
> solution does more than let you avoid writing something in rc.local.  
> Adding a snippet in rc.local will get your daemon up all right, but it 
> provides no way to have your daemon shut down in an orderly fashion the 
> way FreeBSD's /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ setup does.  I've always thought this 
> was the biggest shortcoming of BSD init vs. SysV init. -- BSD init only 
> solves half the problem.
> 
> 

Just in passing.
There is another option that I've been keeping an eye on for the last 
three years - so stability, as a project, would appear to be satisfied.

http://www.dragonflybsd.org/index.shtml

Regards,

-- 
David Palmer
Linux User - #352034



Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:31:29 -0430
From: Jose Luis Rivas Contreras <ghostbar38@gmail.com>
To: Debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Anyone using Debian on notebook?
Message-ID: <4762FD39.6080505@gmail.com>
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Andr=C3=A9 C=C3=A9sar de S=C3=A1 wrote:

> I've been using Debian on my Dell Latitude D520.

>=20

> Everything is working almost properly.. I'm just having problems with
>  - USB mouse(only works if I disable touchpad)
>  - Intel Wireless system(simply can't install IPW3945)


I got it working easily... Be sure to have installed ipw3945d and have
compiled with module-assistant the ipw3945-source ;-)

--=20

ghostbar on debian linux 'sid' 2.6.22 x86_64-SMP - #382503
Weblog: http://ghostbar.ath.cx/ - http://linuxtachira.org
http://debian.org.ve - irc.debian.org #debian-ve #debian-devel-es
San Crist=C3=B3bal, Venezuela. http://chaslug.org.ve GPG: 0xCACAB118


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Can we help you?X

Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:27:37 -0600 (CST)
From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@shellworld.net>
To: Hal Vaughan <hal@thresholddigital.com>
cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How Linux becomes Windows
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Good on you!  Reason I write this is larger code and more complex code by 
its increased size and complexity is inherently more likely to fail more 
often.  Figuring out how to do as much as possible with C.L.I. tools puts 
what may be those essential backup tools in your pack that may get you 
around those G.U.I. failures when they happen.



On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Hal Vaughan wrote:


> On Thursday 13 December 2007, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

>> On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 05:27:30PM +0100, Dirk wrote:
>>> I won't start commenting on all this HAL, udev and similar
>>> bullshit.
>>>
>>> But this error message when I used modconf: "update-modules
>>> deprecated"
>>>
>>> Is another sign that people here are trying to emulate even the bad
>>> sides of Windows.
>>>
>>> *I* (ME!) wan't to have fucking control over my modules back you
>>> frickin' desktop loving auto-this, auto-that assholes!!!!
>>
>> Try OpenBSD.  No modules to worry about, no auto-anything, dmesg
>> shows you everything you have and where it is.  Simple.  Only
>> downsides:  if you need a module for some piece of closed-source
>> hardware; package management is quite as simple as with aptitude; no
>> volume-management like LVM or easy software-raid; no flash-enabled
>> browser.
>>
>> I agree that linux has become a cliky-pointy-lindows thingy unless
>> you fight it.  I don't do CUPS, I don't do DTE.  I use lpr, CLI,
>> startx, icewm.  To mount a USB stick I have an entry in fstab for
>> /dev/sdc1.  If udev were to act up, I'd use LABLE=stick1: this is the
>> fight-it part.
>

> Personally, I find a lot of these things let me focus on doing the work
> I need to do as opposed to having to spend time thinking about how I'm
> going to do something or making sure I can do something.  Different
> methods work for different people.  It's cliche, but true.  Some people
> think better with a visual interface.  It's just a different learning
> or processing style.

>

> What I like about Linux is that I have the choice.  When I'm
> programming, I use a simple editor and am constantly using the CLI.
> When I'm writing film scripts, I need as intuitive and visual an
> interface as possible.  Both use different parts of the brain.

>

> Hal

>
>

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