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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 3034

Today's Topics:

  Re: Correct way to add multiple "sec  [ Jonathan Wilson  ]
  Re: Correct way to add multiple "sec  [ Jonathan Wilson  ]
  Re: pdftk in Lenny                    [ Jerome BENOIT  ]
  Re: what to take off the root partit  [ Rick Thomas  ]
  Re: pdftk in Lenny                    [ Sjoerd Hiemstra  ]
  Re: pdftk in Lenny                    [ Sven Joachim  ]
  Switch running System to RAID-1       [ alexandrus  ]
  Re: Correct way to add multiple "sec  [ Cameron Hutchison  ]
  Can't find newly added fonts in 'xfo  [ Michael Yang  ]

Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:09:59 -0600
From: Jonathan Wilson <jw@mailsw.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Correct way to add multiple "secondary IPs"to one dev/interface in /etc/network/interfaces? Message-Id: <200712211609.59860.jw@mailsw.com> Content-Type: text/plain;
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On Friday 21 December 2007 14:56, Cameron Hutchison wrote:
> Adrian Levi <adrian.levi@gmail.com> wrote:
> >AFAIK ip, route et al are called my ifconfig to do the work.
>
> This is not right. ifconfig uses the old ioctl interface to control the
> network interfaces. ip uses the new netlink protocol.
>
> >Creating
> >an alias in the interfaces file is the correct way to do it. Why do
> >you not want to use an alias?
>
> According to various ip(8) documents, aliases are deprecated in favor of
> secondary addresses. This may just be wishful thinking on the part of
> the authors of the iproute2 utility suite and kernel implementation,
> since most distros still use ifconfig as the primary utility to
> configure network interfaces.
>
> However, if we are to have any chance of moving forward, we need to drop
> the old ways of doing things for the new. I assume that this is what the
> original poster is trying to do.

As the saying goes, "You hit the nail on the head". Not only am I trying to do the "right" "new" thing, the reason I'm doing it is I'm trying to run some Linux-HA heartbeat servers, and they use (or at least the docs say they use) the "new" method. It said in the heartbeat docs somewhere that you shouldn't mix the two. Or someone told me. Or I tried and it didn't work - I can't remember now, I've been fiddling with it too long.

Anyway, /usually/ deprecated things "go away" eventually, so I wanted to start using the new method everywhere, for consistency. But there's a shamefully small amount of documentation for it. I wish someone would put up some better docs but I don't know who to ask. Is there a way to file a bug reports against the docs on the web site? I don't know how the developers expect people to move to the "new" method when it's this hard to find out how to do it. I'm not a genius, but I've been using Linux for 9 years now, and I've jumped through all sorts of hoops trying to get this to work.

Do you need help?X

Maybe I've just overlooked some documentation somewhere, but I sure don't know where. The man page links to the URL I mentioned earlier which has lots of good info, but not enough do make it clear.

Thanks,

        JW

-- 

----------------------
System Administrator - Cedar Creek Software
http://www.cedarcreeksoftware.com

Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:22:05 -0600 From: Jonathan Wilson <jw@mailsw.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Correct way to add multiple "secondary IPs"to one dev/interface in /etc/network/interfaces? Message-Id: <200712211622.06121.jw@mailsw.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 21 December 2007 15:00, Cameron Hutchison wrote:
> Orig-To: Jonathan Wilson <jw@mailsw.com>
>
> >Here's the most important example from the original post. It works as-is.
> >If I uncomment the commented "up" and "down" lines, everything breaks.
>
> Can you describe in more detail what "everything breaks" means?
> The internet still works for me, so it cannot be "everything" :-)
But it is everything, because commands like /etc/init.d/network restart (and stop, and start) cease to work, as well as the interneat and all other network activity. And I can even manually ifconfig things down to nothing but the loopback interface (lo) and even then /etc/init.d/network start won't work. I always have to reboot the machine to get it back.
> When you run "ifup eth0" on the command line, do you get any output?
> Can you run "ifup -v eth0" to get verbose output?
I could have told you earlier but now I can't mess with that machine anymore. If I run into this problem again I'll send it to you. Actually I have a nother server to install next week - I'll fiddle around and send you some output.
> What scripts do you have in /etc/network/if{,-pre}-up.d
Whatever the standard network install from a Etch 4.0r1 ISO puts in there. Nothing custom. I asked on freenode IRC and "simonrvn" told me not to use "up" and "down" but to use "post-up" and "pre-down" instead. I don't find any mention of those options in the "Debian Reference Chapter 10 - Network configuration" page http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html (remember, this is where the man page for interfaces directs you to look) but it does seem to be working. Here's what my /etc/network/interfaces on the computer in question looks like right now: allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet static address nn.nnnn.179.107 netmask 255.255.255.224 broadcast nn.nnnn.179.127 gateway nn.nnnn.179.97 post-up ip addr add nn.nnnn.179.108/27 dev eth0:0 post-up ip addr add nn.nnnn.179.109/27 dev eth0:1 pre-down ip addr del nn.nnnn.179.108/27 dev eth0:0 pre-down ip addr del nn.nnnn.179.109/27 dev eth0:1 # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if installed dns-nameservers 192.168.0.8 192.168.0.16 dns-search graphics claborn.net It seems to be working, at long last. I wish some guru/Debian-developer would confirm that this is the "officially correct" way to do it. Cameron: From your statement "The internet still works for me" I assume you use something like this. May I see an example of your conf please? Where did you find documentation for it? Thanks, JW -- ---------------------- System Administrator - Cedar Creek Software http://www.cedarcreeksoftware.com

Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:29:41 +0800 From: Jerome BENOIT <jgmbenoit@mailsnare.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: pdftk in Lenny Message-ID: <476C3045.304@mailsnare.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2007-12-21 20:47 +0100, Jonathan Kaye wrote:
>
>> Apparently this is fixed in version 1.41 You just have to be patient until
>> that version hits Lenny.
>
> Or install the version from unstable, which should just work fine
> (assuming Sjoerd does not have an alpha machine).
Or grab the unstable source, and build the package on your box.
>
> Sven
>
Jerome -- Jerome BENOIT jgmbenoit_at_mailsnare_dot_net

Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:51:48 +0000 (UTC) From: T o n g <mlist4suntong@yahoo.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: texexec utility? Message-ID: <fkhchk$rb$1@ger.gmane.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:13:05 +0100, Davide Mancusi wrote:
>> I have textex/texlive installed but I do not see
>> texexec. . .
>>=20
>> What package is this utility part of?
>=20
> davide@fisso:~$ apt-file list bin/texexec
> davide@fisso:~$
>=20
> Looks like texexec is not in Debian. What did it do?
yes it is, at least in testing.=20 It's from context package. Ref: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=3Dcontents&mode=3Dexactfilenam= e&arch=3Dany&suite=3Dtesting&keywords=3Dtexexec http://packages.debian.org/lenny/context (See, that's the reason that I don't install the huge apt-file package.) texexec can be very useful tweaking existing ps/pdf files, eg: http://www.tug.org/pipermail/pstricks/2002/000704.html HTH --=20 Tong (remove underscore(s) to reply) http://xpt.sourceforge.net/techdocs/ http://xpt.sourceforge.net/tools/

Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:41:00 -0500 From: Rick Thomas <rbthomas55@pobox.com> To: debian <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: what to take off the root partition Message-Id: <B7DC0186-CBF5-4CD6-BD89-180199FF931A@pobox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 21, 2007, at 9:56 AM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> If
> some run-away process starts writing to disk, and it is running as
> root,
> it can fill up a filesystem. Better that this be /home, /var, or even
> /usr than /.
On this line... Making /tmp a separate filesystem is often recommended. Rick

Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:41:10 +0100 From: Sjoerd Hiemstra <shiems146@kpnplanet.nl> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: pdftk in Lenny Message-Id: <20071221234110.92ea6008.shiems146@kpnplanet.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2007-12-21 20:47 +0100, Jonathan Kaye wrote:
> > Apparently this is fixed in version 1.41 You just have to be
> > patient until that version hits Lenny.
>
> Or install the version from unstable, which should just work fine
> (assuming Sjoerd does not have an alpha machine).
Hm, I tried 'aptitude -t unstable install pdftk' which gets stuck on the same message. :-. But it's good to hear that it will be back in Lenny one day. :-)

Do you need more help?X

Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:50:12 -0500 From: Tod Detre <tdetre@pantek.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Pre-Boot eXecution Environment DHCP problems Message-ID: <476C3514.8020201@pantek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You should be able to remove that from the boot order. In the system's bios the boot order will list something like "cdrom, net, disk". Just remove the net option. Regards, Tod Detre - -- Pantek, Inc. - http://www.pantek.com/ - info(at)pantek.com +1-877-LINUX-FIX - Expert Open Source Software IT Services. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHbDUUBp/fZcDt4JsRAr8pAJ9UxZX1KRYtBse6lsPq7/6qrdMvtgCdG3VK LsNvlYXYHym4CX8emJNb8Cc= =FSuP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:05:08 +0100 From: Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: pdftk in Lenny Message-ID: <87tzmb7ior.fsf@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 2007-12-21 23:41 +0100, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote:
> Sven Joachim wrote:
>> Or install the version from unstable, which should just work fine
>> (assuming Sjoerd does not have an alpha machine).
>
> Hm, I tried 'aptitude -t unstable install pdftk' which gets stuck on
> the same message. :-.
Could you elaborate on that? Version 1.41-2 of pdftk depends on libgcj8-1 on most architectures, including i386, amd64 and powerpc. What is the exact output from aptitude and which architecture do you use?
> But it's good to hear that it will be back in Lenny one day. :-)
Which may be months away, though. :-( Regards, Sven

Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:12:22 -0800 (PST) From: alexandrus <deralex84-forum@yahoo.de> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Switch running System to RAID-1 Message-ID: <14464060.post@talk.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I just figured that our complany's server was running on JBOD with 2 HDs, one of them entirely unused (d'oh!). Of course I would like to have it as RAID 1. Now, I built an Array from the HD in use and know how to make it bootable, but I suppose I have to make some changes to the boot-config before it will run as before. Which could these be? Also (probably a common question) how can I make a backup boot CD-ROM with the current settings? Is there a good HowTo around? Alex -------- system info: hwinfo says the Controller is "Intel 6300ESB SATA RAID Controller". boot-loader should be GRUB. Kernel 2.6.8-2-386. PS: Needless to say, I have a complete backup. PPS: Posted this the second time here because I was told it was OT in Linux Boot list, where I posted initally. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Switch-running-System-to-RAID-1-tp14464060p14464060.html Sent from the Debian User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:51:52 -0700 From: Dave Thayer <debian0735516.dmthayer@recursor.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: How to keep a locally compiled *.deb up to date? Message-ID: <20071221235152.GA30020@thayer-boyle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 01:16:55AM -0800, stevem wrote:
> Excuse me if I hijack this thread but I've long wondered about a variation
> of this question: If I roll my own kernel why isn't the resulting .deb
> dependent on it's linux-source package? I couldn't find a suitable
> option to make-kpkg so I hacked a cron job to compare the timestamps of
> the source dir and source tarball. Highly inelegant.
I don't think you would want to have anything stronger than a "suggests" dependency. Consider the situation where you are compiling a kernel for a low-spec machine such as a router, but you are doing it on your higher powered workstation and then copying over the deb. You wouldn't want or need an entire kernel tree on your target machine in this case. dt -- Dave Thayer | Whenever you read a good book, it's like the Denver, Colorado USA | author is right there, in the room talking to dave@thayer-boyle.com | you, which is why I don't like to read | good books. - Jack Handey "Deep Thoughts"

Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:03:26 -0500 From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Switch running System to RAID-1 Message-ID: <20071222000326.GA8160@titan.hooton> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 03:12:22PM -0800, alexandrus wrote:
> I just figured that our complany's server was running on JBOD with 2 HDs,
> one of them entirely unused (d'oh!). Of course I would like to have it as
> RAID 1.
>
> Now, I built an Array from the HD in use and know how to make it bootable,
> but I suppose I have to make some changes to the boot-config before it will
> run as before. Which could these be?
>
> Also (probably a common question) how can I make a backup boot CD-ROM with
> the current settings? Is there a good HowTo around?

> system info:
> hwinfo says the Controller is "Intel 6300ESB SATA RAID Controller".
> boot-loader should be GRUB.
> Kernel 2.6.8-2-386.
>
> PS: Needless to say, I have a complete backup.
> PPS: Posted this the second time here because I was told it was OT in Linux
> Boot list, where I posted initally.
We saw a very long thread not that long ago on why going from JOBD to raid is either extremely difficult or impossible. Having two drives on one controller and then using software raid doesn't mean that one disk failing won't take out the controller and possibly the second disk. Be careful in your expectations. If that were a true hardware raid controller, you would only tell Debian to forget the second drive and tell the controller to add the second drive to the array. The best backup boot CD is the Debian installer's rescue mode which will assemble the raid array (and any LVM over top of it) and give you a chroot shell. Also, your kernel is well out-of-date so you should be updating that server to the most recent Etch. Another kernel update today; current version is 2.6.18-5. Also, unless the server is running a 486, there is probably a more appropriate kernel within the i386 flavour. --- Since the second drive is unused right now, to change to raid1, I'd suggest a fresh install onto that second drive setting up raid1 with just the one drive (a degraded array), with LVM overtop. Transfer the data over, change the grub menu.list so it defaults to the new install, then add the old disk into the raid1 array. YMMV. Doug.

Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:15:48 -0600 From: ajm <ajm91qw@sbcglobal.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: How do I set up sudo.. Message-ID: <20071222011548.GA21480@powerful-debian.gx110> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 10:21:40PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 11:35:32AM -0800, Alou Dialy wrote:
> > I figured out that I didnt have /sbin and /usr/sbin in
> > my PATH but how come when I do sudo env it does show
> > those directories in my PATH ?
> >
> > The man page for sudo or sudoers says that sudo does
> > modify PATH but it doesnt say how and it doesnt say
> > how it tries to find the command that you give it.
> >
> > Is there a way to set up sudo so that I dont have to
> > type the full path to the command.
>
> How about an alias in your own .bash_aliases?
>
> alias shutdown "sudo /sbin/shutdown"
>
> Or something?
>
> Doug.
>
>
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su to root then type the command visudo under "User privilege specification" add the following # User privilege specification root ALL=(ALL) ALL ajm57 ALL=/sbin/shutdown,\ /bin/mount,\ /bin/umount Change ajm57 to your user name then save the file. You can add as many system command as you wish. So when you want to shutdown simply type sudo shutdown -h now it will ask you for your user password (don't type in your root password) -- Alexander J. M. Linux 2.6.18-5-686 i686

Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:54:03 +1100 (EST) From: Cameron Hutchison <lists@xdna.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Correct way to add multiple "secondary IPs"to one dev/interface in /etc/network/interfaces? Message-Id: <20071222015403.4A1354062@xionine.xdna.net> Jonathan Wilson <jw@mailsw.com> wrote:
>> Can you describe in more detail what "everything breaks" means?
>> The internet still works for me, so it cannot be "everything" :-)

>But it is everything, ...
I was trying to make my point in a funny way. I'm assuming your fridge still works and your cat didn't keel over and die, so not "everything" broke. So, just what is the scope of "everything breaks"?
>... even then /etc/init.d/network start won't work.
In all my years of using debian, I've never manually run /etc/init.d/network. I have always just run ifup/ifdown on the interfaces I am playing with. I dont know what side-effects the init script will have. Of course, when you're happy that it seems to work, its worth rebooting to ensure that everything comes up properly from the init script, but that's usually a last step for me (if I do it at all. If ifup works, its always worked on reboot for me). I guess what I'm trying to say is to test just using ifup/ifdown so you can isolate any problems to the smallest action needed to cause them.
>I asked on freenode IRC and "simonrvn" told me not to use "up" and "down" but
>to use "post-up" and "pre-down" instead.
These are just aliases for "up" and "down", I guess to make it clearer just when they run. That's according to the sid source code anyway. I can't see how it can make any difference using one or the other.
>allow-hotplug eth0
>iface eth0 inet static
> address nn.nnnn.179.107
> netmask 255.255.255.224
> broadcast nn.nnnn.179.127
> gateway nn.nnnn.179.97
> post-up ip addr add nn.nnnn.179.108/27 dev eth0:0
> post-up ip addr add nn.nnnn.179.109/27 dev eth0:1
> pre-down ip addr del nn.nnnn.179.108/27 dev eth0:0
> pre-down ip addr del nn.nnnn.179.109/27 dev eth0:1
> # dns-* options are implemented by the resolvconf package, if
>installed
> dns-nameservers 192.168.0.8 192.168.0.16
> dns-search graphics claborn.net

>It seems to be working, at long last.
The only difference between that and your previous config is that you have removed the 'label' argument and the broadcast argument (and the post-up/pre-down bit). Have you tried running the commands manually that ifup would run? (running ifup -v should show you what it runs). This would show you where it fails.
>Cameron: From your statement "The internet still works for me" I assume you
>use something like this. May I see an example of your conf please? Where did
>you find documentation for it?
"The internet still works for me" was just a joke based on your "everything breaks" statement. However, I did try a similar setup to yours and I had no problems. I am running sid though. When you next get a chance, its worth running that "ifup -v" command to see just where it fails. Right now, I can't see what might have been wrong.

Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:28:00 +0800 From: Michael Yang <michael.yxf@gmail.com> To: Debian User Lists <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Can't find newly added fonts in 'xfontsel' Message-ID: <476C7630.3090900@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All: I created a folder /usr/share/fonts/X11/myfonts where to save the my added fonts. After mkfontscale, mkfontdir operations, the fonts are available to most of applications I use. However, I can't find it in "xfontsel" until I manually add the fontpath by the command: $ xset +fp /usr/share/fonts/X11/myfonts Actually, I have added the folder into the font search list by configuring the following two conf files: 1) /etc/fonts/fonts.conf: <!-- Font directory list --> <dir>/usr/share/fonts/X11/myfonts</dir> 2) /etc/X11/fs/config # paths to search for fonts catalogue = /usr/share/fonts/X11/myfonts/, But it seems doesn't work adding the font path automatically. When the system is rebooted, I have to manually add the fontpath by "xset +fp" command to make the font path available to "xfontsel". Any one have idea about it? Thanks a lot! -Michael.

Can we help you?X

Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:53:24 +1100 (EST) From: Tadeusz Bak <T.Bak@unsw.edu.au> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: concatenating pdf files Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0712221149340.19907@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="8323328-1100831818-1198284804=:19907" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-1100831818-1198284804=:19907 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Fri, 21 Dec 2007, ISHWAR RATTAN wrote:
>
> I have scanned related pages of a document as jpeg
> (limitation of software), converted to pdf using
> imagemagick::convert. Now is there a way to concatenate
> the pdf files (or jpeg files and then conver to pdf)
> to collect the complete document.
Probably pdftk is the tool for you: Package: pdftk Priority: optional Section: text Installed-Size: 2764 Maintainer: Aur=C3=A9lien EROME <ag@roxor.cx> Architecture: i386 Version: 1.40-2 Depends: libc6 (>=3D 2.3.6-6), libgcc1 (>=3D 1:4.1.1-12), libgcj7-0 (>=3D= =20 4.1.1-12), libstdc++6 (>=3D 4.1.1-12) Suggests: xpdf-utils Filename: pool/main/p/pdftk/pdftk_1.40-2_i386.deb Size: 953304 MD5sum: fdc078214ef122a25cc89cfaa0d11374 SHA1: f30c823268d90633aa65cbf746114e8ee6290c58 SHA256: 62230656da61e34cd16955430e34fe9c0db5545cde83c3b139371a6cf905b872 Description: A useful tool for manipulating PDF documents If PDF is electronic paper, then pdftk is an electronic stapler-remover, hole-punch, binder, secret-decoder-ring, and X-Ray-glasses. Pdftk is a simple tool for doing everyday things with PDF documents. Keep one in the top drawer of your desktop and use it to: - Merge PDF documents - Split PDF pages into a new document - Decrypt input as necessary (password required) - Encrypt output as desired - Fill PDF Forms with FDF Data and/or Flatten Forms - Apply a Background Watermark - Report PDF on metrics, including metadata and bookmarks - Update PDF Metadata - Attach Files to PDF Pages or the PDF Document - Unpack PDF Attachments - Burst a PDF document into single pages - Uncompress and re-compress page streams - Repair corrupted PDF (where possible) . Author: Sid Steward <ssteward@accesspdf.com> Homepage: http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk Regards, Tad --8323328-1100831818-1198284804=:19907-- End of debian-user-digest Digest V2007 Issue #3034 ************************************************** Received on Fri Dec 21 22:15:36 2007

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