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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 3063

Today's Topics: 

  Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=E1?= =?iso-8859  [ Daniel Burrows  ]
  Galeon R.I.P?                         [ ZephyrQ  ]
  Re: Question about torrent            [ Gabriel Parrondo  ]
  Re: Question about torrent            [ Pantor  ]
  kernel 2.6 and /etc/network/interfac  [ Andreas Sachs  ]
  Re: Question about torrent            [ Pantor  ]
  Re: Aptitude's reintall               [ "Douglas A. Tutty"  ]

Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:19:32 -0800
From: Daniel Burrows <dburrows@debian.org> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org 

Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?V=E1?=	=?iso-8859-1?Q?=3A?= Using wdm how to pass
 "-- -logverbose 6" to	startx?

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On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 07:02:46PM +0100, Paul Csanyi <csanyipal@gmail.com> was heard to say:
> 2007/12/28, Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>:
> > you'll need to just press enter to keep it as currently set.
> >
> > Do you have a ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession file? if so, what are the
> > contents?
>
> I have not .xinitrc
>
> less ~/.xsession is:
>
> #!/bin/bash
>
> ##[Desktop Entry]
> #Encoding=hu_HU
> #Name=Window maker
> #Comment=This session logs you into Window Maker
> #Exec=/usr/bin/wmaker
> ## no icon yet, only the top three are currently used
> #Icon=
> #Type=Application

  So, you've told your X session to exit immediately. This will probably produce the behavior you're seeing, of it exiting immediately. :-) Try adding the following line at the bottom of .xsession:

exec /usr/bin/wmaker || x-terminal-emulator

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  and it should work. (that says to run wmaker, and to run an xterm if wmaker can't be found)

  Daniel

Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:30:15 -0800
From: Daniel Burrows <dburrows@debian.org> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Aptitude's reintall 

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On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 04:04:02PM -0500, "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> was heard to say:
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 04:35:36PM -0300, Gabriel Parrondo wrote:
> > I'm not sure what does it mean with "will not be saved when you...". Is
> > it that there will be no way to know that the package was reinstalled or
> > that the action will be executed immediately and not when I press g? Or
> > maybe something else.
>
> It means what it says. Aptitude keeps track of a package's state:
> installed, not-installed, installed-but-not-configured. It contains no
> state "reinstalled". So, you tell aptitude to reinstall a package. It
> fetches the .deb and tells dpkg to install it. When dpkg returns, it
> either returns successful or not, but aptitude has no way to record a
> correct reinstall. You should watch the screen.

  Just to clarify, the problem isn't just that aptitude doesn't have a state for "reinstall". It actually did at one point (#167236, #121346), but there's no way for aptitude to find out from the dpkg/apt layer whether a reinstall that it requested actually took place. (ideally the reinstall state should persist until the reinstallation is performed, then be removed) Without this information it has to either arbitrarily preserve all reinstalls, or arbitrarily drop all of them, and after getting the bugs referenced above, I decided that dropping all of them was a less annoying behavior.

  Usually aptitude figures this sort of thing out with an after-the-fact examination of package states, but since a reinstallation leaves packages in the same state that they started in, this won't work to detect reinstalls.

  Daniel

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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:03:11 +0530
From: Raj Kiran Grandhi <grajkiran@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
CC: Debian user list <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Question about torrent 

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Pantor wrote:
> Hi,
>
> why only one torrent it is aloud to download with GNOME bittorrent? Here
> is an answer after second torrent is on:
> couldnt listen
> 98, adress already in use
>

Check the settings for max_port and min_port under /apps/gnome-btdownload/settings (in gconf-editor)

Ensure that both are not the same.

Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:32:05 +0000
From: Pantor <pantor@painter-decorator.eu> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Question about torrent 

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Gabriel Parrondo wrote:
> El s=C3=A1b, 29-12-2007 a las 15:31 +0100, strawks escribi=C3=B3:

>> Hi,
>>
>> On Sat, 2007-12-29 at 14:14 +0000, Pantor wrote:
>>> why only one torrent it is aloud to download with GNOME bittorrent? H=
ere=20 
>>> is an answer after second torrent is on:
>>> couldnt listen
>>> 98, adress already in use
>> I don't know for the GNOME bittorrent specific client, but the problem=

>> is that you have it configured to listen to a specific port, and each
>> torrent needs to listen to a different port, so if you allowed 1 port
>> for your client you can only download one torrent at a time.
>>
>> It's probably possible to specify a range of ports rather than a singl= e 
>> port.
>>
>=20

> That's correct, check out these keys in gconf:
> /apps/gnome-btdownload/settings/min_port
> /apps/gnome-btdownload/settings/max_port
>=20
>=20

> [...]
Can't find what you're looking for?X

Would you be able, please, more details how to check that?

Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:36:43 -0800
From: Daniel Burrows <dburrows@debian.org> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: compatibility problems 

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On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 05:05:57PM -0500, "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> was heard to say:
> The keyboard is a slightly different issue as all wireless stuff tends
> to be. If it has a driver in the linux kernel supplied by Debian (i.e.
> not excluded due to tainted licensing), then it too should just work.
> However, you may have to do some tweaking to get all the extra buttons
> working (if you want them).

  Note that if it's a USB keyboard, there's a very good chance that it just speaks the standard USB keyboard protocol regardless of whether or not it's wireless. In that case it should just work (and as Douglas said, you'll know whether it does or not after the first screen of the installer).

  Daniel

Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:44:58 +0100
From: strawks <strawks@yahoo.fr>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Question about torrent
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On Sat, 2007-12-29 at 16:32 +0000, Pantor wrote: [...]
> > That's correct, check out these keys in gconf:
> > /apps/gnome-btdownload/settings/min_port
> > /apps/gnome-btdownload/settings/max_port
>=20
> Would you be able, please, more details how to check that?

You can use gconf-editor to check these (in the package gconf-editor)

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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:50:18 -0600
From: ZephyrQ <zephyrq@earthlink.net>
To: Debian Users <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Galeon R.I.P? 

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With all the news of Netscape 'fading off' into mozilla and its ilk, is does anyone know if Galeon is ever going to be updated? I've tried FireFox/etc. and there are a couple of things I've not be able to reproduce:

Tabs...on the -right- hand side. After using Galeon for **years**, I miss this and the 'tab' plug-in only lets me put tabs on the top/bottom/left.

Quickloading of pages. I don't know if this is a Galeon thing, but side by side with IceWeasel Galeon loads pages *much* faster.

Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:01:56 -0300
From: Gabriel Parrondo <g.parrondo@gmail.com> To: "debian-user@lists.debian.org" <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Question about torrent
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El s=C3=A1b, 29-12-2007 a las 16:26 +0000, Pantor escribi=C3=B3:
> Gabriel Parrondo wrote:
> > El s=C3=A1b, 29-12-2007 a las 15:31 +0100, strawks escribi=C3=B3:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On Sat, 2007-12-29 at 14:14 +0000, Pantor wrote:
> >>> why only one torrent it is aloud to download with GNOME bittorrent? H=
ere=20
> >>> is an answer after second torrent is on:
> >>> couldnt listen
> >>> 98, adress already in use

[...]
> >> It's probably possible to specify a range of ports rather than a singl=
e
> >> port.
> >>
> >=20
> > That's correct, check out these keys in gconf:
> > /apps/gnome-btdownload/settings/min_port
> > /apps/gnome-btdownload/settings/max_port
> >=20
> >=20
> > [...]

>=20

> Would you be able, please, more details how to check that?
>=20
Call Pantek today for Open Source Technical Support at 1-877-546-8934 - 24/7/365X

Open gconf-editor ([Alt-F2] gconf-editor [Enter]) and navigate to that key on the left panel. It's like navigating a filesystem.

Read 'man gconftool-2' to know how to do the same on the command line.

--=20
Gabriel Parrondo
GNU/Linux User #404138
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:49:10 +0000
From: Joe <joe@jretrading.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: compatibility problems 

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Don Harwood wrote:
>
>
> thanks for the understanding with us newbies, i will probably drop the
> wireless kb, thanks for the heads-up about security
>
>

As a minor point, keyboards and USB have to be fairly OS-independent, as if you need to 'press F10 for setup', you need to do it before the BIOS even knows if there's a hard drive there, and long before an OS loads. And yes, I *have* seen 'keyboard error, press F2 to continue', and it isn't funny. Normally it means you've forgotten to plug one in, and the BIOS doesn't have a 'no-keyboard' boot option.

OK, there's probably a row of extra buttons that do clever things, but only after a 100MB service has been loaded by the OS, which is obviously rather specific, but which you can probably do without.

Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:08:55 +0000
From: Pantor <pantor@painter-decorator.eu> To: Gabriel Parrondo <g.parrondo@gmail.com> CC: "debian-user@lists.debian.org" <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Question about torrent 

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Gabriel Parrondo wrote:
> El s=C3=A1b, 29-12-2007 a las 16:26 +0000, Pantor escribi=C3=B3:

>> Gabriel Parrondo wrote:
>>> El s=C3=A1b, 29-12-2007 a las 15:31 +0100, strawks escribi=C3=B3:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 2007-12-29 at 14:14 +0000, Pantor wrote:
>>>>> why only one torrent it is aloud to download with GNOME bittorrent?=

Do you need more help?X
 Here=20 
>>>>> is an answer after second torrent is on:
>>>>> couldnt listen
>>>>> 98, adress already in use

> [...]

>>>> It's probably possible to specify a range of ports rather than a sin= gle 
>>>> port.
>>>>
>>> That's correct, check out these keys in gconf:
>>> /apps/gnome-btdownload/settings/min_port
>>> /apps/gnome-btdownload/settings/max_port
>>>
>>>
>>> [...]
>> Would you be able, please, more details how to check that?
>>
>=20

> Open gconf-editor ([Alt-F2] gconf-editor [Enter]) and navigate to that
> key on the left panel. It's like navigating a filesystem.
>=20

> Read 'man gconftool-2' to know how to do the same on the command line.
>=20
>=20
min-port 6881 and max the same.

Can we help you?X

Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:19:50 +0000
From: Pantor <pantor@painter-decorator.eu> To: Pantor <pantor@painter-decorator.eu> CC: Gabriel Parrondo <g.parrondo@gmail.com>,  "debian-user@lists.debian.org" <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Question about torrent 

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Pantor wrote:
> Gabriel Parrondo wrote:

>> El s=C3=A1b, 29-12-2007 a las 16:26 +0000, Pantor escribi=C3=B3:
>>> Gabriel Parrondo wrote:
>>>> El s=C3=A1b, 29-12-2007 a las 15:31 +0100, strawks escribi=C3=B3:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 2007-12-29 at 14:14 +0000, Pantor wrote:
>>>>>> why only one torrent it is aloud to download with GNOME=20
>>>>>> bittorrent? Here is an answer after second torrent is on:
>>>>>> couldnt listen
>>>>>> 98, adress already in use
>> [...]
>>>>> It's probably possible to specify a range of ports rather than a=20
>>>>> single
>>>>> port.
>>>>>
>>>> That's correct, check out these keys in gconf:
>>>> /apps/gnome-btdownload/settings/min_port
>>>> /apps/gnome-btdownload/settings/max_port
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>> Would you be able, please, more details how to check that?
>>>
>>
>> Open gconf-editor ([Alt-F2] gconf-editor [Enter]) and navigate to that=

>> key on the left panel. It's like navigating a filesystem.
>>
>> Read 'man gconftool-2' to know how to do the same on the command line.= 
>>
>>

> min-port 6881 and max the same.
>=20
>=20
>=20

 >
 >
So what's the crack?

Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:44:22 -0800
From: Daniel Burrows <dburrows@debian.org> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: program manual package 

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On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 03:13:43PM +1100, hce <webmail.hce@gmail.com> was heard to say:
> What packages I can use man to display program manual, such as "man
> recv", "man string", for both C and C++ (ISO) in my Debian machine?

  For C programming, you need man-db (the manpage viewer) and manpages-dev (the C manual pages). C++ documentation is in libstdc++6*-doc (there are multiple packages, pick the one appropriate for your installed compiler). Apparently this package contains manpages, which surprises me; I would suggest using the HTML docs instead, though (I think you'll see why when you look at the manpages).

  Note that the C++ manpages include namespaces, so you'll need to use, e.g., "man std::string".

  Daniel

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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:37:40 +0100
From: strawks <strawks@yahoo.fr>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
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On Sat, 2007-12-29 at 17:19 +0000, Pantor wrote: [...]
> >> Open gconf-editor ([Alt-F2] gconf-editor [Enter]) and navigate to that
> >> key on the left panel. It's like navigating a filesystem.
> >>
> >> Read 'man gconftool-2' to know how to do the same on the command line.
> >>
> > min-port 6881 and max the same.
> >
> So what's the crack?

set a higher value for the max, something like 6890 would allow you to have at most 10 torrents at the same time.

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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:44:51 +0100
From: Andreas Sachs <andilist@gmx.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: kernel 2.6 and /etc/network/interfaces problem 

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Hello,
after upgrading from kernel 2.4 to 2.6 (2.6.8 sarge and 2.6.15 etch) i hav= e a problem with virtual interfaces (e.g. eth0:1) in /etc/network/interfac= es with mapping-scripts. 

When i define 2 virtual interfaces the first run of ifup -a stopps directl=

Confused? Frustrated?X

y after calling the mapping-script for the first interface(the interface i=
s not up). Running ifup -a the second time the first interface will be up,=
 but it stopps directly after calling the mapping script for the second in=
terface. and so on

Example:
Interfaces (eth0, eth1, eth0:1, eth0:2)=20 auto eth0=20
=2E..=20
auto eth1=20
=2E..=20
auto eth0:1=20
mapping eth0:1=20 

        script /config/bin/get-config=20
        map fw1 eth0:1-fw1=20
        map fw2 eth0:1-fw2=20


iface eth0:1-fw1 inet static=20
        address 192.168.26.1=20
        netmask 255.255.255.0=20


iface eth0:1-fw2 inet static=20
        address 192.168.26.2=20
        netmask 255.255.255.0=20

auto eth0:2=20
mapping eth0:2=20 

        script /config/bin/get-config=20
        map fw1 eth0:2-fw1=20
        map fw2 eth0:2-fw2=20


iface eth0:2-fw1 inet static=20
        address 172.20.1.2=20
        netmask 255.255.0.0=20


iface eth0:2-fw2 inet static=20
        address 172.20.1.3=20
        netmask 255.255.0.0=20

=2E..=20

Calling ifup -a the first time, the script is envoked for eth0, eth1 und = eth0:1. ifup stopps directly after calling the script for eth0:1.

Second run:
fw2:~# ifup -a -v=20
Running mapping script /config/bin/get-config on eth0:1=20 Configuring interface eth0:1=3Deth0:1-fw2 (inet)=20 run-parts --verbose /etc/network/if-pre-up.d=20

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ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.26.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 up=20 

run-parts --verbose /etc/network/if-up.d=20
run-parts: executing /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs=20
run-parts: executing /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate=20
run-parts: executing /etc/network/if-up.d/openvpn=20
run-parts: executing /etc/network/if-up.d/sendmail=20
Running mapping script /config/bin/get-config on eth0:2 <- why does if= up stopps?
fw2:~#=20

Third run:
fw2:~# ifup -a -v=20
Running mapping script /config/bin/get-config on eth0:2=20 Configuring interface eth0:2=3Deth0:2-fw2 (inet)=20 run-parts --verbose /etc/network/if-pre-up.d=20

ifconfig eth0:2 172.20.1.3 netmask 255.255.0.0 broadcast 172.20.255.255 =

              up=20 

run-parts --verbose /etc/network/if-up.d=20
run-parts: executing /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs=20
run-parts: executing /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate=20
run-parts: executing /etc/network/if-up.d/openvpn=20
run-parts: executing /etc/network/if-up.d/sendmail=20
fw2:~#=20

The mapping script returns a constand value (for test).

How can i use a mapping script with kernel 2.6 and virtual interfaces?

Thanks=20
Andreas

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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:49:41 +0000
From: Pantor <pantor@painter-decorator.eu> To: strawks <strawks@yahoo.fr>
CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Question about torrent 

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strawks wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-12-29 at 17:19 +0000, Pantor wrote:
> [...]

>>>> Open gconf-editor ([Alt-F2] gconf-editor [Enter]) and navigate to that
>>>> key on the left panel. It's like navigating a filesystem.
>>>>
>>>> Read 'man gconftool-2' to know how to do the same on the command line.
>>>>
>>> min-port 6881 and max the same.
>>  >
>> So what's the crack?

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>
> set a higher value for the max, something like 6890 would allow you to
> have at most 10 torrents at the same time.
>
> strawks
>

It works! Thank you.

Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:18:51 -0500
From: Allan Wind <allan_wind@lifeintegrity.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Galeon R.I.P? 

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On 2007-12-29T10:50:18-0600, ZephyrQ wrote:
> Tabs...on the -right- hand side. After using Galeon for **years**, I
> miss this and the 'tab' plug-in only lets me put tabs on the
> top/bottom/left.

Did you try the Tab Control add-on?

> Quickloading of pages. I don't know if this is a Galeon thing, but side
> by side with IceWeasel Galeon loads pages *much* faster.

Have you tried the FasterFox add-on? There are also additional about:config tuning steps that will increase the perceived loading of pages (http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=53650 may be a good starting point for further web searches).

Can we help you?X

/Allan

Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:13:45 -0500
From: Mark Grieveson <dg135@torfree.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: SOLVED Re: non-free and multimedia cds 

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:46:16 +0000 (UTC) debian-user-digest-request@lists.debian.org wrote:

> Please file a bug (with 'reportbug debmirror').
>
> Regards,
> Andrei

Done. There already had been a bug report, "trustedkeys.gpg documentation needed", which I added to with a suggestion for updating the man page.

Mark

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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:35:40 -0500
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Aptitude's reintall 

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On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 08:30:15AM -0800, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 04:04:02PM -0500, "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca> was heard to say:
 

> Just to clarify, the problem isn't just that aptitude doesn't have a
> state for "reinstall". It actually did at one point (#167236, #121346),
> but there's no way for aptitude to find out from the dpkg/apt layer
> whether a reinstall that it requested actually took place. (ideally the
> reinstall state should persist until the reinstallation is performed,
> then be removed) Without this information it has to either arbitrarily
> preserve all reinstalls, or arbitrarily drop all of them, and after
> getting the bugs referenced above, I decided that dropping all of them
> was a less annoying behavior.
>
> Usually aptitude figures this sort of thing out with an after-the-fact
> examination of package states, but since a reinstallation leaves
> packages in the same state that they started in, this won't work to
> detect reinstalls.

Why not have aptitude: 1) retreive the deb(s) required; 2) deinstall the package and verify that it is nolonger installed; 3) immediatly reinstall the package and verify that that it is now installed.

Currently running programs won't be affected, only attempts to run new instances while the reinstall is happening.

Doug.

Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:08:25 -0800
From: "Kelly Clowers" <kelly.clowers@gmail.com> To: "Debian Users" <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Galeon R.I.P? 

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On Dec 29, 2007 8:50 AM, ZephyrQ <zephyrq@earthlink.net> wrote:
> With all the news of Netscape 'fading off' into mozilla and its ilk, is
> does anyone know if Galeon is ever going to be updated? I've tried
> FireFox/etc. and there are a couple of things I've not be able to reproduce:

>

> Tabs...on the -right- hand side. After using Galeon for **years**, I
> miss this and the 'tab' plug-in only lets me put tabs on the
> top/bottom/left.
>

> Quickloading of pages. I don't know if this is a Galeon thing, but side
> by side with IceWeasel Galeon loads pages *much* faster.

Years ago, Galeon was forked to create Epiphany. A few years later, they recombined under the name Epiphany.

http://www.linux.com/feature/50021

I don't know how the feature-set of Epiphany+extensions compares to Galeon overall.

There is a tabs-left extension, but no tabs-right extension as far as I can see. However, I just changed 5 words and the file names of the tabs-left extension and created a working tabs-right extension.

Here is the code for the tabs-left extension: http://rmjokers.blogspot.com/2006/11/dont-let-tabs-control-you.html

I think you can see just by looking at it how to make tabs-right.

Cheers,
Kelly Clowers

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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:10:00 -0800
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
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On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 06:53:08AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140903-c,netscape/article.html

yeah, it's kinda sad, but at the same time, my memory of Netscape is always kind of unpleasant. I remember struggling to get it to work properly and convince others to use it instead of IE. Meanwhile, I remember it working much better once it was set up.=20

Look at its legacy though: a significant driving force and "gateway" app for the open source community.=20

A

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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:20:46 +0100
From: Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Aptitude's reintall
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On 2007-12-29 19:35 +0100, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

> Why not have aptitude: 1) retreive the deb(s) required; 2) deinstall the
> package and verify that it is nolonger installed; 3) immediatly
> reinstall the package and verify that that it is now installed.

Sounds rather dangerous to me. You would not really want to try this with an essential package, would you?

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> Currently running programs won't be affected, only attempts to run new
> instances while the reinstall is happening.

And running programs that load files from their installation at runtime (like Emacs, Zsh, Vim, ...).

Sven.

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