Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:27:17 -0800
From: "Paul Johnson" <baloo@ursine.ca>
To: "Debian User List" <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: wine - resource hog
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On Dec 29, 2007 9:31 PM, joseph lockhart <jwl_andlovesaidno@yahoo.com> wrote:
> just wondering if anyone else has trouble using wine?
Not most of the time, and the rest of the time, not if I read and
follow the instructions.
> everytime that i install it, i cannot get the program
> that i would like to use with it to work (so far
> windows media player 9, realplayer 10, and a few other
> programs that my wife wanted me to try and install for
> her).
Why are you trying to solve these the hard way instead of using the
native alternatives?
--
Paul Johnson
baloo@ursine.ca
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:39:15 -0600
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
To: Debian User List <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: Galeon R.I.P?
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On 12/30/07 21:04, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Dec 30, 2007 7:11 AM, default <plute@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:02:34 -0800, Angus Auld wrote:
>>
>>> It does seem pretty fast. Personally, I use Opera, and it's been my
>>> browser of choice for many moons.
>> Same here. I've tried quite a few browsers, but none keep up with opera
>> for speed. Shame it's not Open Source, but you can't have everything.
>
> You could boycott it for being proprietary. That's the morally correct answer.
Sure, if *your* morality is The One True Morality...
- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA USA
"Your mistletoe is no match for my TOW missile." Santa-bot
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:45:51 -0500
From: Hal Vaughan <hal@thresholddigital.com>
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On Sunday 30 December 2007, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 12/30/07 21:04, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Dec 30, 2007 7:11 AM, default <plute@sdf-eu.org> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:02:34 -0800, Angus Auld wrote:
> >>> It does seem pretty fast. Personally, I use Opera, and it's been
> >>> my browser of choice for many moons.
> >>
> >> Same here. I've tried quite a few browsers, but none keep up with
> >> opera for speed. Shame it's not Open Source, but you can't have
> >> everything.
> >
> > You could boycott it for being proprietary. That's the morally
> > correct answer.
>
> Sure, if *your* morality is The One True Morality...
You mean you don't believe that your morality is?
Hal
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:04:29 -0800
From: Raquel <raquel@thericehouse.net>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: debian how-to
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:08:13 +0900
David <davidpalmer@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 06:05:35PM -0800, Rick Dooling wrote:
> >
> >> I know about Debian Reference and Debian Help site, but I'm more
> >> interested in a list of common how-tos that most people would
> >> like to do after installation, such as add mp3 playing ability,
> >> installing flash, mounting usb drives or ntfs drives and so on,
> >> the sort of things found in Martin's Ubuntu How-To. I know that
> >> some work in both. I guess I'm just curious if a similar thing
> >> already exists for Debian. And if not would it be a useful
> >> project to redo the Ubuntu How-To with an eye toward the Debian
> >> user.
> >>
>
> > Since all the documentation is already provided on how to do each
> > of these with whatever tools are installed on the user's box, the
> > most important skill for the new Debian user to have is howto
> > find and use the documentation.
>
> Agreed!
>
> And not just documentation.
> I've thought a number of times that the package description aspect
> of the aptitude interface should include the path of the package
> concerned. Also on the Debian site package description and the
> documentation - surely that makes sense.
>
> This would help a newbie get on top of the filing scenario much
> more quickly.
>
> I remember struggling to find exactly where packages lived on my
> system when I would look in a number of places and see packages
> with similar names residing in a couple of them (or more).
> Regards,
>
> --
> David Palmer
> Linux User - #352034
>
I moved to Linux, from Windoze NT, back in 1999. One of the very
first things I did, in trying to learn about Linux, was to learn some
very basic commands.
Did you know that Linux keeps a database of every file stored on your
hard drive(s)? There are commands to find those files.
locate - list files in databases that match a pattern
# locate header.php
lists every file named header.php complete with path
whereis - locate the binary, source, and manual page files for a
command
# whereis whereis lists every file named "whereis" on your hard disk,
of course, complete with path
--
Raquel
============================================================
Family values are a little like family vacations-subject to
changeable weather and remembered more fondly with the passage of
time. Though it rained all week at the beach, it's often the
momentary rainbows that we remember. --Leslie Dreyfous
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:12:06 +0100
From: Dan H <dunno@stoptrick.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:52:54 -0600
Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> wrote:
> "Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and
> the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor."
> Wernher von Braun
That quote is just sick. Remember who W.v.B. was, and his attitude towards mass production and labor. I'd advise against superficially witty quotes from mass murderers.
--D.
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:13:54 +0100
From: "Micaela Gallerini" <mat.r.gl@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [half solved] sources list not found repository debian
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2007/12/30, s. keeling <keeling@nucleus.com>:
> I think you need to know a lot more about how the packaging system
> works to be comfortable running a hybrid.
I think you don't know a person I don't talk so....^^
I know that I installed, but I don't know that the system is locked in
this way. It's prematurely for a system and since I 'm not only to
have this problem, I don't know why you answer me in this way. I see
much e-mail with upgrading problem, not only mine.
Why you answer me so?
> I'd avoid that if I were
> you. Stick with etch, or got to lenny, and stay there for a while.
I used sarge for 2 years and I haven't no one problem with update,
it's enough or I need a certification to say "I'm not a newbie".
> Learn how it works.
>
I think that if etch don't work like a stable system like might be, I
run again sarge or I run another distribution that permit to work
correctly a simple programmer like me.
No offence for the debian developers, I have no problem with them.
--=20
"In internet il saper leggere equivale al saper ascoltare nella
realt=E0, chi sa ascoltare possiede le chiavi di molte porte"
Rashna
Micaela Gallerini
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:50:40 +0100
From: tom.loef@edpnet.be
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Debian / Skype / Siemens M34 USB experience?
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Hi ,
I'm new to linux but I would like to run Linux/Skype and my
Siemens M34 (S455/S45) on an old HP laptop with PCMCIA
wireless connection. Siemens doesn't provide a linux driver
for the M34.
Is there anyone who has this combination running on his
machine?
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Tom
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:36:54 +0100
From: tom.loef@edpnet.be
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Debian / Skype / Siemens M34 USB experience?
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Hi ,
I'm new to linux but I would like to run Linux/Skype and my
Siemens M34 (S455/S45) on an old HP laptop with PCMCIA
wireless connection. Siemens doesn't provide a linux driver
for the M34.
Is there anyone who has this combination running on his
machine?
Thanks in advance for your reply.
Tom
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:56:35 -0800
From: Marc Shapiro <mshapiro_42@yahoo.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: [OT] RIP Netscape
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Adrian Levi wrote:
> On 31/12/2007, Marc Shapiro <mshapiro_42@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Adrian Levi wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/12/2007, Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:52:54 -0600
>>>> Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft ... and
>>>>> the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor."
>>>>> Wernher von Braun
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Reminds me of Asimov's "The Feeling of Power":
>>>> http://downlode.org/Etext/power.html
>>>>
>>>> Celejar
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Thanks for posting that, I really enjoyed reading that. I Asimov was a
>>> forward thinker. To write that in his time(1958), even now it has
>>> context and is believable...
>>>
>>>
>> But at only 49 years old it is unlikely to be out of copyright! A lot
>> of the items on that site may be in the public domain, but an Asimov
>> short story is unlikely to be one of them. I see nothing on the site
>> that suggests that this individual has checked for copyright on the text
>> that he has posted. He only says that the items are things that
>> interest him.
>>
>> I know that most people don't think about these things, but my wife is a
>> librarian, so she always does, and it has gotten me into the habit of
>> thinking about it, too.
>>
>> --
>> Marc Shapiro
>> mshapiro_42@yahoo.com
>>
>
> It's also available on this website and does attribute copyright, go figure.
> http://www.themathlab.com/writings/short%20stories/feeling.htm
>
> Adrian
>
Yes, the copyright notice is displayed. That still does not mean that
the text is now in the public domain and can be put up on anyone's site
who happens to like it. The copyright is almost certainly still in
affect and posting the entire text to the web is breaking copyright.
--
Marc Shapiro
mshapiro_42@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:53:01 +0100
From: Rico Secada <coolzone@it.dk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Converting 3gp to avi
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Hi.
Does anyone know if there is a tool to convert 3gp format to avi?
I haven't been able to find any particular working solution.
Rico.
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:36:15 +0100
From: Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: iceweasel / firefox segfault after lenny upgrade
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On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 16:10:21 -0800, Towncat wrote:
> On dec. 31, 00:30, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 03:46:02 -0800, Towncat wrote:
> > > As just said in a previous post, I am using lenny and lately upgraded
> > > it. Firefox/Iceweasel fails to start since then:
[...]
> > > (gecko:14849): Pango-WARNING **: failed to create cairo scaled font,
> > > expect ugly output. the offending font is 'DejaVu Serif 12.798828125'
> > > Segmentation fault
> >
> > Try this:
> >
> > $ export MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO="true"
> > $ iceweasel -safe-mode
[...]
> Thanks, it did help. Actually, I didn't even need the -safe-mode
> switch.
>
> So what does (or does not, as the case is) pango do?
Pango is a library for laying out and rendering of text, with an
emphasis on internationalization. (quoted from http://www.pango.org/)
If you only read web pages in languages which are based on the Latin
alphabet then you don't need to use pango. Turning off pango is
sometimes even recommended as a means to speed up the HTML rendering of
fireweasel.
--
Regards, | http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
Florian |
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:31:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Towncat <towncat.towncat@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: iceweasel / firefox segfault after lenny upgrade
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On dec. 31, 02:10, Towncat <towncat.town...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On dec. 31, 00:30, Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+deb...@icfo.es>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 03:46:02 -0800, Towncat wrote:
> > > As just said in a previous post, I am using lenny and lately upgraded
> > > it. Firefox/Iceweasel fails to start since then:
>
> > > towncat@murandy:~$ firefox
> > > /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: Symbol `SSL_ImplementedCiphers' has
> > > different size in shared object, consider re-linking
>
> > I see this message as well (Sid, iceweasel 2.0.0.11-1), but my iceweasel=
> > seems to run normally otherwise. This is probably harmless.
>
> > > (gecko:14849): Pango-WARNING **: failed to create cairo scaled font,
> > > expect ugly output. the offending font is 'DejaVu Serif 12.798828125'
> > > Segmentation fault
>
> > Try this:
>
> > $ export MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO=3D"true"
> > $ iceweasel -safe-mode
>
> > If it still does not work try the same from a pristine user account.
>
> > --
> > Regards, |http://users.icfo.es/Florian.Kulzer
> > Florian |
>
> > --
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n.org
>
> Thanks, it did help. Actually, I didn't even need the -safe-mode
> switch.
>
> So what does (or does not, as the case is) pango do?
>
> Tc.
>
> --
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org
OK, now iceweasel runs, but I realised that there is more to it,
something to do with fonts and pango. When I start non-kde
applications under kde, I get little squares instead of fonts.
The output is like this (for xsane, here):
xsane:9842): Pango-WARNING **: failed to create cairo scaled font,
expect ugly output. the offending font is 'DejaVu Sans 10'
(xsane:9842): Pango-WARNING **: failed to create cairo scaled font,
expect ugly output. the offending font is 'DejaVu Sans 12.5'
(xsane:9842): Pango-WARNING **: shaping failure, expect ugly output.
shape-engine=3D'BasicEngineFc', font=3D'DejaVu Sans 12.5', text=3D'French
(Fran=E7ais)'
(xsane:9842): Pango-WARNING **: pango_font_get_glyph_extents called
with null font argument, expect ugly output
(xsane:9842): Pango-WARNING **: shaping failure, expect ugly output.
shape-engine=3D'BasicEngineFc', font=3D'DejaVu Sans 10', text=3D'XSane
v=E1ltozat: 0.995'
Ideas, anyone?
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:03:21 +0100
From: Jochen Schulz <ml@well-adjusted.de>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Converting 3gp to avi
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Rico Secada:
>=20
> Does anyone know if there is a tool to convert 3gp format to avi?
Canonical answer: ffmpeg. Or mencoder, but I prefer ffmpeg because its
command line interface is easier.
Try 'ffmpeg -i input.3gp output.avi'. Then look at the manpage for
tweaking the output (size, bitrate, codecs etc.).
J.
--=20
After the millenium I will shoot to kill.
[Agree] [Disagree]
<http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html>
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:07:01 +0000
From: michael <cs@networkingnewsletter.org.uk>
To: debian user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Subject: Re: bash scripts and files
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On 30 Dec 2007, at 18:11, Gerard Robin wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 05:17:43PM +0000, michael wrote:
>> From: michael <cs@networkingnewsletter.org.uk>
>> To: debian user <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
>> Subject: bash scripts and files
>> X-Spam-Virus: No
>> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on
>> liszt.debian.org
>> X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.6 required=4.0
>> tests=AWL,LDO_WHITELIST,
>> RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=failed version=3.2.3
>> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3)
>>
>> Folks, can somebody point me to an authorative reference that
>> explains when one needs to put, eg,
>> #!/bin/bash
>> as the first line of a script and whether or not it's required/
>> surplus/ignored for bash specific files such as .bashrc
>> and .bash_profile
> have look at:
> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/invoking.html
> The whole tutorial is in the package: abs-guide
Thanks, probably the previous chapter ("she-bang") was of more use
but a useful ref. However, I'm still trying to understand why it's
not usual to have a she-bang for the .bash_profile and .bashrc files.
That documentation reads as if it's expected - they are scripts and
contain shell specific syntax.
Thanks, Michael
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:18:07 +0000
From: "Lesley Binks" <lesley.binks@googlemail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Iceweasel or Konqueror + Kdm/Xorg turned into a cpu hog?
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Hi
I have etch installed, regularly updated and running the KDE desktop
environment.
Using either Konqueror or Iceweasel, I find that Xorg goes into overdrive
when I access
this page: http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/login - reporting 92% usage on an
Athlon XP 3200.
Closing the tab on that page immediately resolves the problem.
I'm wondering (a) if anyone else can repeat this and (b) why it's happening
at all.
Can anyone shed some light?
Regards
L,
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Hi<br><br>I have etch installed, regularly updated and running the KDE desktop environment.<br><br>Using either Konqueror or Iceweasel, I find that Xorg goes into overdrive when I access <br>this page: <a href="http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/login">
http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/login</a> - reporting 92% usage on an Athlon XP 3200.<br><br>Closing the tab on that page immediately resolves the problem.<br><br>I'm wondering (a) if anyone else can repeat this and (b) why it's happening at all.
<br>Can anyone shed some light?<br><br>Regards<br><br>L,<br><br>
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:08:38 -0500
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: debian how-to
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On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 01:08:13PM +0900, David wrote:
> Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> >On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 06:05:35PM -0800, Rick Dooling wrote:
> >
> >>I know about Debian Reference and Debian Help site, but I'm more
> >>interested in a list of common how-tos that most people would like to
> >>do after installation, such as add mp3 playing ability, installing
> >>flash, mounting usb drives or ntfs drives and so on, the sort of
> >>things found in Martin's Ubuntu How-To. I know that some work in both.
> >>I guess I'm just curious if a similar thing already exists for Debian.
> >>And if not would it be a useful project to redo the Ubuntu How-To with
> >>an eye toward the Debian user.
> >>
>
> >Since all the documentation is already provided on how to do each of
> >these with whatever tools are installed on the user's box, the most
> >important skill for the new Debian user to have is howto find and use
> >the documentation.
>
> Agreed!
>
> And not just documentation.
> I've thought a number of times that the package description aspect of
> the aptitude interface should include the path of the package concerned.
> Also on the Debian site package description and the documentation -
> surely that makes sense.
>
> This would help a newbie get on top of the filing scenario much more
> quickly.
>
> I remember struggling to find exactly where packages lived on my system
> when I would look in a number of places and see packages with similar
> names residing in a couple of them (or more).
The docs are always under /usr/share/doc/[package name]
apropos
which
locate
find
Doug.
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:25:00 +0000
From: Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Iceweasel or Konqueror + Kdm/Xorg turned into a cpu hog?
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On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:18:07 +0000
"Lesley Binks" <lesley.binks@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hello Lesley,
> this page: http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/login - reporting 92% usage on
> an Athlon XP 3200.
> I'm wondering (a) if anyone else can repeat this and (b) why it's
> happening at all.
Yes, it happens here, too. I've no idea why, though.
--=20
Regards _
/ ) "The blindingly obvious is
/ _)rad never immediately apparent"
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:11:35 +0100
From: Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: upgrading in sid
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On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 20:29:09 -0500, charlie derr wrote:
> charlie derr wrote:
[...]
>> delete:~# dpkg -l libxml2 gconf2 | awk '/^[^D|+]/{print $1,$2,$3}'
>> ii gconf2 2.20.1-2
>> ii libxml2 2.6.30.dfsg-3
[...]
>> delete:~# /usr/bin/python -V
>> Python 2.4.4
That looks OK to me; I have the same versions and I can run
update-gconf-defaults without problems.
> after much fussing (all with aptitude now -- i'm not mixing in any apt-get
> commands),
Just to clarify this once more: Your main problem is the gconftool-2
issue, which seems to break all package scripts which call this tool.
Using apt-get in between only caused a minor temporary problem with
aptitude's database, from which aptitude recovered on its own AFAICT.
> I've managed to successfully remove a lot of gnome stuff, but
> not enough to completely succeed. I've snipped lots of output above this
> (and in my mind, the gzopen64 thing seems to be key -- it's certainly
> repeated once for each of these packages that are now still failing)
Yes, this seems to be the root of all evil at the moment.
> Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> A package failed to install. Trying to recover:
> Setting up dia-common (0.96.1-6) ...
> gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol: gzopen64
> dpkg: error processing dia-common (--configure):
> subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127
[...]
gzopen64 should be defined in /usr/lib/libz.so.1; something is wrong
with this on your system. Post the output of the following commands:
dpkg -l zlib1g
ldd /usr/bin/gconftool-2 | grep libz
ldd /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2 | grep libz
nm -D /usr/lib/libz.so.1 | grep gzopen64
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