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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2007 : Issue 3074

Today's Topics:

  Re: gnome won't uninstall because I   [ Ron Johnson  ]
  Re: compatibility problems            [ John Hasler  ]
  Re: upgrading in sid                  [ Ron Johnson  ]
  how do i debug X?                     [ cs  ]
  Re: [OT] RIP Netscape                 [ David Brodbeck  ]
  Re: [OT] RIP Netscape                 [ Ron Johnson  ]

Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:58:57 -0600
From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: gnome won't uninstall because I messed up dpkg by mixing and matching apt-get and aptitude incorrectly (used to be Re: upgrading in sid)

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On 12/31/07 09:15, charlie derr wrote:
> http://www.assembla.com/wiki/show/door/SidGnomeRefusingToDie
>
>
> It seemed like there was too much output there to want to burden the
> list with it all (but I thought someone clueful might still possibly
> catch something I haven't)
>
> my working assumption at this point is that last night either manually
> deleting the deb files for 5 packages (from the /var/cache/apt/archives
> directory) and/or the fact that immediately after trying that I then
> tried running "apt-get -f install" (when I'd only been using aptitude
> previously) created the problem -- but i'm not sure I care all that
> much about how I mucked things up, it's rather getting things
> straightened out that's important -- so does anyone have any tricks
> they'd suggest for how I get all of these uninstalls to complete despite
> the fact that gconftool-2 is very unhappy and barfs complaining about a
> lib mismatch problem with gzopen64 (the root of the problem is with
> libxml2.so.2, so perhaps the package . But at this point I'd rather
> that I accept that all gnome stuff will be forever broken on this box
> than have aptitude continue to be borked. If someone has an elegant
> solution, of course I'm happy to consider that too, but I'd appreciate
> any thoughts (no matter how outrageous/potentially-destructive).
>
>
>
> here's a small snip for those who don't want to follow the link at the top:
>
>
> gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined
> symbol: gzopen64
> dpkg: error processing capplets-data (--remove):
> subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 127
> dpkg: error processing desktop-base (--remove):
> Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
> reinstall it before attempting a removal.
>
>
> and as I pasted this I realized I ought to see where that file comes
> from and the package is libxml2
>
> if I try to do "aptitude remove libxml2" the first couple dozen choices
> to resolve dependencies leave it at its current version (and I'm unsure
> whether aptitude might actually give me a better choice if i keep
> clicking "n" -- it does seem to be able to indefinitely suggest new
> solutions)
>
> if I try to upgrade libxml2 I get this (desktop-base (along with
> shared-mime-info is one of those 5 packages I talked about above (that I
> incorrectly removed the .deb files from my archives directory) :
>
>
> Resolving dependencies...
> E: I wasn't able to locate file for the desktop-base package. This might
> mean you need to manually fix this package.
> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
>
> Remove the following packages:
> deskbar-applet
> epiphany-extensions
> evince
> evolution
> evolution-common
> evolution-data-server
> evolution-exchange
> gnome-mount
> gnome-power-manager
> gnome-screensaver
> gnome-volume-manager
> nautilus-cd-burner
> rhythmbox
> sound-juicer
> sun-java5-jre
> yelp
>
> Install the following packages:
> bittorrent [3.4.2-11 (unstable, now)]
> fam [2.7.0-13 (unstable)]
> gnome-mime-data [2.18.0-1 (unstable, now)]
> libavahi-glib1 [0.6.21-4 (unstable, now)]
> libbonobo2-0 [2.20.2-1 (unstable, now)]
> libbonobo2-common [2.20.2-1 (unstable, now)]
> libbonoboui2-0 [2.20.0-1 (unstable, now)]
> libbonoboui2-common [2.20.0-1 (unstable)]
> libcamel1.2-10 [1.12.2-1 (unstable, now)]
> libebook1.2-9 [1.12.2-1 (unstable, now)]
> libecal1.2-7 [1.12.2-1 (unstable, now)]
> libedataserver1.2-9 [1.12.2-1 (unstable, now)]
> libgnome-desktop-2 [2.20.2-1 (unstable, now)]
> libgnome2-0 [2.20.1.1-1 (unstable, now)]
> libgnomeui-0 [2.20.1.1-1 (unstable, now)]
> libgnomeui-common [2.20.1.1-1 (unstable)]
> libgnomevfs2-0 [1:2.20.1-1 (unstable, now)]
> libgnomevfs2-extra [1:2.20.1-1 (unstable, now)]
> libgtkhtml3.14-19 [3.16.1-1 (unstable)]
> libnotify1 [0.4.4-3 (unstable, now)]
> libpanel-applet2-0 [2.20.2-2 (unstable, now)]
> libsoup2.2-8 [2.2.104-1 (unstable, now)]
> libwnck-common [2.20.2-1 (unstable)]
> libwnck22 [2.20.2-1 (unstable)]
> libxres1 [2:1.0.3-1 (unstable, now)]
> python-gnome2 [2.20.1-1 (unstable)]
> rdesktop [1.5.0-3+cvs20071006 (unstable)]
>
> Upgrade the following packages:
> gtkhtml3.14 [3.14.2-1 (now) -> 3.16.1-1 (unstable)]
> libgnome2-common [2.18.0-4 (now) -> 2.20.1.1-1 (unstable)]
> libgnomevfs2-common [1:2.18.1-2 (now) -> 1:2.20.1-1 (unstable)]
> notification-daemon [0.3.7-1 (now) -> 0.3.7-1+b1 (unstable)]
>
> Leave the following dependencies unresolved:
> libgnomevfs2-0 recommends gnome-mount
> meld recommends yelp
> Score is -4309

Charlie,

Do you need help?

In this kind of situation, I would "# apt-get --purge remove" the problematic package(s), then "# apt-get update" and try again.

Of course, I would do all this from the (real) console, not a GNOME terminal window.

Lastly, I'd *never* use aptitude.

-- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA

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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:44:50 -0600
From: John Hasler <jhasler@debian.org>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: compatibility problems
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Andrei writes:
> There are modems that also do the pppoe part.

This is true. Those ones also usually also handle NAT and DHCP. They are often "plug and play" with any operating system (except for entering the username and password the ISP gave you via the Web server in the modem). The "driver" AT&T wants you to install is just full of crapware that they want on your computer.

-- 
John Hasler

Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:00:42 -0600 From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: upgrading in sid Message-ID: <47792E4A.6060006@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/31/07 11:42, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 08:01:32PM -0500, charlie derr <cderr@simons-rock.edu> was heard to say:
>>>> The following packages will be upgraded: >>>> gnome-session libgnome2-common libgnomevfs2-common shared-mime-info >>>> 4 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 795 not upgraded. >>>> Need to get 0B/2706kB of archives. After unpacking 1461kB will be used. >>>> Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] y >>>> Writing extended state information... Error! >>>> E: I wasn't able to locate file for the desktop-base package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. >>>> E: Couldn't lock list directory..are you root? >>> You used apt-get to break the desktop-base package behind aptitude's >>> back and that seems to have confused aptitude. I would hope that this >>> problem goes away once you have fixed the desktop-base package. >>> >> Thanks again for letting me know that it was my mixing apt-get and aptitude that probably screwed me up.
>
> I don't know any reason that mixing apt-get and aptitude should cause
> problems, particularly this problem.
Don't apt-{get,cache} and aptitude track dependencies in different manners, using different data stores?
> This is usually a symptom of your
> package lists being out of sync in a weird way: it means that apt
> thought it could download this package, but when it went to actually
> download it no source was providing it. I expect you would get the same
> error with apt-get as with aptitude.
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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:55:07 +0000 From: cs <cs@networkingnewsletter.org.uk> To: debian user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: how do i debug X? Message-Id: <1199123707.3945.1.camel@amd64.local> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wish to monitor the current state/focus of the mouse - how would I do this? I'm trying to narrow down my intermittent USB mouse (and occasionally USB keyboard) problems -- see thread started 18 Dec. Thanks, Michael

Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:06:12 -0800 From: David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu> To: debian-user List <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: [OT] RIP Netscape Message-Id: <4C75237F-A1A3-40A2-9B19-C082EA4CD072@u.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 29, 2007, at 3:18 PM, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote:
> As far as I'm concerned, 'Netscape' is a good name. I always wondered
> how names like 'Seamonkey', 'Iceape' or 'Firefox' could ever make
> their
> way into a serious, corporate environment.
Silly names seem to be all the rage with start-ups these days, so maybe the open source community was just ahead of the curve. ;) For that matter, at one place I worked we used to buy submersible pumps from a company that was in the habit of casting smiley faces onto all of their float switch counterweights. We sort of rolled our eyes, but we kept buying pumps from them anyway. People will tolerate a bit of whimsy if your product is good.

Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:10:50 +0200 From: Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Linux kernel image 2.6.23-1 + sound card yamaha YMF-754 Message-ID: <20071231181050.GC10134@think.homenet> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="s9fJI615cBHmzTOP" Content-Disposition: inline --s9fJI615cBHmzTOP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 09:40:25AM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: [...]
> Maybe the problem is not with the hardware itself, but with some
> firmware issue, as indicated by dmesg (firmware request failed).
>=20
> I'm attaching the dmesg output, the lspci -v output, the alsaconf output.=
=2E. >=20
> Did something particularly special changed with kernel 2.6.23-1, which
> might be 2.6.23-2 instead according to aptitude (reading from aptitude
> linux-image-2.6.23-1-686, version 2.6.23-2)?
I think I recall a discussion on d-devel about licence issues with some=20 firmwares in the kernel. Probably that's why they got removed. You=20 already solved your problem, but have a look in the non-free repo for=20 any firmware package. If you can't find anything file a RFP bug. Regards, Andrei --=20 If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) --s9fJI615cBHmzTOP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHeTCqqJyztHCFm9kRAv1sAJ4wE3gCn9OL6jSIjdPIe/28uE6MpACfbmtO QNzDd7WYwFWzKIRuvfevNJg= =blgZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --s9fJI615cBHmzTOP--

Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:10:59 -0800 (PST) From: joseph lockhart <jwl_andlovesaidno@yahoo.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: wine - resource hog Message-ID: <523959.76111.qm@web59311.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- Kelly Clowers <kelly.clowers@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 29, 2007 9:31 PM, joseph lockhart
> <jwl_andlovesaidno@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > just wondering if anyone else has trouble using
> wine?
> > everytime that i install it, i cannot get the
> program
> > that i would like to use with it to work (so far
> > windows media player 9, realplayer 10, and a few
> other
> > programs that my wife wanted me to try and install
> for
> > her).
>=20
> RealPlayer 10 is available as a native Linux
> program. You can get
> it from real.com or you can add debian-multimedia to
> your apt
> repos.
yes thank you, i have found this and have it installed, works for what i need it for (which is previewing accompanyment tracks from a website) =20
> In /etc/apt/sources.list, add a line like this:
> deb
> http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/debian/debian-multimedia/
> sid main
>=20
> The debian-multimedia.org website has other mirrors
> you can use.
>=20
> By getting some packages from debian-multimedia it
> is possible
> to play all media types with native Linux media
> players such as
> GXine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine or Totem. The only
> real reason to use
> WMP or Real would be for familiarity.
>=20 >=20
> > in fact all that i have been able to get to work
> > with wine is notepad (which is of little use).
> however
> > top shows wine gobbling up resources even when it
> is
> > not running anything, dpkg shows an error on any
> > attempt to reconfigure so i always end up removing
> > wine after a couple of days. however, i do wonder
> why
> > it acts that way
>=20
> What are you system specs? What Debian version are
> you using, and what Wine version?
>=20 right now i have two partitions. one with kubuntu 7.10 and one with etch, though i have also tried it in DSL 4.0, mandriva one 2008, and openSUSE 10.3 all with similar results
> Once installed, try adjusting your settings in
> winecfg.
>=20 >=20
> I have only used Wine for a few games, such as
> StarCraft, but
> performance is not usually a major problem for me. I
> use the
> 3rd party Ubuntu Wine packages, because they are
> more
> up-to-date, sometimes much more.
>=20
> If you want to try this, add
>=20
> deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt feisty main
>=20
> to your /etc/apt/sources.list file. I think feisty
> is the correct
> release to go with etch. Right now, for Lenny
> (testing) and
> Sid I use gutsy.
>=20 >=20
> Cheers,
> Kelly Clowers
>=20 thanks for the reply, personally i don't *want* to use wine for anything, however the wife needs it for a few things (see previous reply on this same thead) and when i try to do it for her i end up with a slug of a machine. i'll post system info on another post jwlockhart Registered Linux User #458799 Registered Kubuntu User #19678 this user is penguin powered ___________________________________________________________________= _________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? =20 Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsear= ch/category.php?category=3Dshopping

Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:11:28 -0600 From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: [Wildly OT] Re: Galeon R.I.P? Message-ID: <477930D0.4080807@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/30/07 22:45, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Sunday 30 December 2007, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 12/30/07 21:04, Paul Johnson wrote: >>> On Dec 30, 2007 7:11 AM, default <plute@sdf-eu.org> wrote: >>>> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:02:34 -0800, Angus Auld wrote: >>>>> It does seem pretty fast. Personally, I use Opera, and it's been >>>>> my browser of choice for many moons. >>>> Same here. I've tried quite a few browsers, but none keep up with >>>> opera for speed. Shame it's not Open Source, but you can't have >>>> everything. >>> You could boycott it for being proprietary. That's the morally >>> correct answer. >> Sure, if *your* morality is The One True Morality...
>
> You mean you don't believe that your morality is?
It's a Very Big Universe, and I'm not hubristic (is that a word?) enough to make such a claim. (Anyone who's been here a while should not be surprised that Paul has such a quality.) However... I *do* think that the moral compass (which is not particularly unique or special) which I follow is a good one, and that the country would be better off if more people followed it. Because if I did *not* think it was a good moral compass I wouldn't (try to) follow it!! - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA "Your mistletoe is no match for my TOW missile." Santa-bot -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHeTDQS9HxQb37XmcRArtQAKDi0mlPW6vcJ/rREIilSHyW9Vxh+gCfdM4j Omv57kufRHH1Z56VXpSRAVs= =9LbW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:14:15 -0600 From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> To: debian-user List <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: [OT] RIP Netscape Message-ID: <47793177.8030909@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/31/07 12:06, David Brodbeck wrote:
>
> On Dec 29, 2007, at 3:18 PM, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote:
>> As far as I'm concerned, 'Netscape' is a good name. I always wondered >> how names like 'Seamonkey', 'Iceape' or 'Firefox' could ever make their >> way into a serious, corporate environment.
>
> Silly names seem to be all the rage with start-ups these days, so maybe
> the open source community was just ahead of the curve. ;)
That's been a trend now (in the US, at least) for about 20 years. Started with stupid wussy product names and moved to stupid and or meaningless company names.
> For that matter, at one place I worked we used to buy submersible pumps
> from a company that was in the habit of casting smiley faces onto all of
> their float switch counterweights. We sort of rolled our eyes, but we
> kept buying pumps from them anyway. People will tolerate a bit of
> whimsy if your product is good.
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