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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2008 : Issue 240

Today's Topics:

  Create custom package                 [ =?UTF-8?B?S3Vuc3p0IMOBcnDDoWQ=?=  ]
  Re: smbmount issues (related to CIFS  [ Kent West  ]
  Re: Setting up Debian on a mobile di  [ "Dan H."  ]
  Re: smbmount issues (related to CIFS  [ Kent West  ]
  Re: kernel versus broadcom wlan       [ "wauhugo@yahoo.com"  ]
  your web site                         [ "Lily Zey"  ]
  Fwd: Total vs per-cpu memory          [ Francesco Pietra 
  Re: su doesn't work "Authentication   [ "Damon L. Chesser" <damon@damtek.co ]
  Re: Blu Ray LG GGW-H20L crashes Linu  [ Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> ]

Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:25:28 +0100
From: =?UTF-8?B?S3Vuc3p0IMOBcnDDoWQ=?= <arpad@deverto.hu> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Create custom package

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Hi!

I want to create an "alternate" package for libmysqlclient15off. It means I tried to create an dvrt-libmysqlclient15off package which can replace the libmysqlclient15off package in the dependency checks. The control files relevant part is now:

Package: dvrt-libmysqlclient15off
Section: libs
Architecture: any
Depends: dvrt-mysql-common (>= ${Source-Version}), ${shlibs:Depends} Conflicts: libmysqlclient15, libmysqlclient15off Replaces: libmysqlclient15, libmysqlclient15off Description: mysql database client library  MySQL is a fast, stable and true multi-user, multi-threaded SQL database  server. SQL (Structured Query Language) is the most popular database query  language in the world. The main goals of MySQL are speed, robustness and  ease of use.
 .
 This package includes the client library. Provides: libmysqlclient15off

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But when I try to install a package which depends on libmysqlclient15off, I get error like this:

server01-vz16:~/packages/mysql/5.0/work/mysql-dfsg-5.0-5.0.32# apt-get install libdbd-mysql-perl dvrt-libmysqlclient15off Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:   libdbd-mysql-perl: Depends: libmysqlclient15off (>= 5.0.24-2) E: Broken packages

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks for any help.

Arpad Kunszt
Deverto Systems Ltd.

PS: Sorry for my English.

PPS: Changing just the version number of the package and leave it's name is not an option now.

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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:57:17 -0800
From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Blu Ray LG GGW-H20L crashes Linux [Solved] Message-ID: <20080131145717.GN4643@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1;

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On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 06:37:03AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
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>=20

> On 01/31/08 01:38, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 20:13 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >> The only solution is to take out that excess RAM and send it to me!
> > Sorry,.. I've already threw it away ;-P
>=20
> Are you old enough to remember when 256KB cost a thousand dollars?

yep, well maybe not $1000, but a lot anyway. and that was so much ram how could you ever use it all... I mean that was more than a third of 640K and no way did anybody need more than that,

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> And now we joke about throwing away a GB...

It's wierd, but I still feel like buying memory is splurging. I've got a couple machines that could really use another 256-512MB and I can't quite stomach buying it. I know, I know, as soon as I look at the prices, I'll realise it's dirt cheap and wonder why I didn't do it months ago... just a mental block.

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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:56:10 +0100
From: "Dan H." <dunno@stoptrick.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Setting up Debian on a mobile disk Message-ID: <20080131145610.GB10032@stoptrick.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1;

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Hello,
like the subject says, I want to set up a Debian system on a bootable external USB hard disk to use with a (normally) Windows laptop. Of course I could just pop in a netinstall CD on the target computer and do the normal installation process. However, I have a couple of full-featured Debian PCs and wondered if I couldn't somehow use them (and their up-to-date package cache) to accomplish this much quicker. Mind you, I don't need or want a clone of an existing system; essentially I just want to circumvent the clumsy boot-CD process and the slow package download.

I can hook up the laptop to a local network with a Debian box. Is it possible to set up that box as a package repository?

Thanks,
--D.

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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:47:32 -0600
From: Kent West <westk@acu.edu>
To: debian users <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: smbmount issues (related to CIFS?)

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Michael Marsh wrote:
> On Jan 31, 2008 12:14 AM, Kent West <westk@acu.edu> wrote:
>

>> On the machine having the 2.6.22 kernel, I can not. Here's the error:
>>
>> westk@westek:~$ smbmount //faculty/web netShares/web/
>> Password:
>> mount error 2 = No such file or directory
>> Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs)
>>
>>
>> This used to work on this box, until a few months (weeks?) ago (I'm just
>> now getting around to working on the problem).
Confused? Frustrated?X
>> >> Both boxes run Sid. >> >

> If you have a "helpful" ISP, such as Verizon, then it's going to
> resolve "faculty" to its search service, which isn't what you want.
> With smbfs, you could specify
>

> name resolve order = lmhosts wins bcast
>

> to avoid the DNS lookup. With cifs, you can't, since it doesn't yet
> respect smb.conf. However, you can install winbind and edit
> /etc/nsswitch.conf, setting the hosts spec to:
>

> hosts: files wins dns
>

> That worked like a charm for me, with thanks to Steve Langasek (vorlon).
>
>

Changing /etc/samba/smb.conf to:

; name resolve order = lmhosts host wins bcast

   name resolve order = lmhosts wins bcast

and restarting /etc/init.d/samba made no difference.

"aptitude install winbind" and changing /etc/nsswitch.conf to:

hosts:          files wins dns mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] mdns4
#hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4

made no difference.

When trying to smbmount "faculty", it doesn't matter if I use "faculty" or "faculty.acu.edu" or the IP address; same failure each time.

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westk@westek:~$ smbclient -L faculty
Password:
Domain=[ACU-ACADEMIC] OS=[SunOS 5.9 sun4u] Server=[LAN Manager 2.1]

        Sharename       Type      Comment
        ---------       ----      -------
        home            Disk      Home Directories
        shared          Disk      Shared Directories
        dept            Disk      Departmental Directories
        web             Disk      Home Directories
        classes         Disk      Classes Directory
        _acu_temp_drax$ Disk      Place Holder Directory
        print$          Disk      print$
        IPC$            IPC       Remote IPC
        westk           Disk      default attach point
Domain=[ACU-ACADEMIC] OS=[SunOS 5.9 sun4u] Server=[LAN Manager 2.1]
        Server               Comment
        ---------            -------
        ACADPDC
        CLASSES              Classes
        FACULTY              Syntax LMserver
        MYACU                Syntax LMserver
        PROFDEV              Syntax LMserver
        STUDENT              Syntax LMserver

        Workgroup            Master
        ---------            -------
        ACU                  PHOEBE
        ACU-ACADEMIC         ACADPDC
        MSHOME               DESAXL-P
        TEST                 TESTDC2
        WORKGROUP            ACU-TESTLAB-LB1

I'm using my username (westk) which is the same on both Debian boxes and on the ACU-ACADEMIC WindowsNT/ActiveDirectory domain. I can smbmount a share that's on a Windows Server 2003 box:

westk@westek:~$ smbclient -L luke
Password:
Domain=[ACU] OS=[Windows Server 2003 3790 Service Pack 2] Server=[Windows Server 2003 5.2]

        Sharename       Type      Comment
        ---------       ----      -------
        J$              Disk      Default share
        print$          Disk      Printer Drivers
        CIO Cabinet     Disk

 <etc etc etc>

westk@westek:~$ smbmount //luke/pc_apps mnt Password:
westk@westek:~$ ls mnt

Acrobat                          dynamic.ini                     New 
Folder          Sophos.lnk

<etc etc etc>
-- 
Kent

Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:47:20 +0100 From: "Dan H." <dunno@stoptrick.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Setting up Debian on a mobile disk Message-ID: <20080131154720.GA3431@stoptrick.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi" Content-Disposition: inline --Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 03:56:10PM +0100, Dan H. wrote:
> like the subject says, I want to set up a Debian system on a bootable
> external USB hard disk
Followup: I've discovered debootstrap and have used it to set up a system on that mobile disk. I chrooted to that disk (using the procedure from the debootstrap manpage) and installed a few additional packages with aptitude. That sort of worked (there were gazillions of error messages about Perl falling back to the C locale or some such stuff -- don't know if that matters). Also what puzzled me was that the chroot system immediately wanted to upgrade many packages -- I mean, all packages had come fresh off the same server minutes ago. Anyway, I then rebooted the PC and tried to boot from the USB disk but that didn't work. Then, back in my normal system, I mounted the USB disk and discovered that it had neither a kernel nor a bootloader installed (that ain't much of the= =20 So to fix that I wanted to chroot into my mounted USB disk again but was rebuffed: chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Permission denied WTF? There were no changes to that disk since chroot worked just before the reboot. I also did the "mount proc" spiel, whatever that's for. Thanks, --D. =20 --Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHoe2IGdM4FB223AcRAhnRAJ92He/CxOuG/QmqODMPDzNPCvaapACdG0AW q3Z/oW7Z/EWAVEGOESsQaCU= =SIGg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Qxx1br4bt0+wmkIi--

Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:50:57 -0600 From: Kent West <westk@acu.edu> To: debian users <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: smbmount issues (related to CIFS?) Message-ID: <47A1EE61.6030203@acu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kent West wrote:
> On Jan 31, 2008 12:14 AM, Kent West <westk@acu.edu> wrote:
>> >> On the machine having the 2.6.22 kernel, I can not. Here's the error: >>> >>> westk@westek:~$ smbmount //faculty/web netShares/web/ >>> Password: >>> mount error 2 = No such file or directory >>> Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs) >>> >
> When trying to smbmount "faculty", it doesn't matter if I use
> "faculty" or "faculty.acu.edu" or the IP address; same failure each time.
>
> westk@westek:~$ smbclient -L faculty
> Password:
> Domain=[ACU-ACADEMIC] OS=[SunOS 5.9 sun4u] Server=[LAN Manager 2.1]
>
> Sharename Type Comment
> --------- ---- -------
> home Disk Home Directories
> shared Disk Shared Directories
> dept Disk Departmental Directories
> web Disk Home Directories
> <etc etc etc>
>
> I'm using my username (westk) which is the same on both Debian boxes
> and on the ACU-ACADEMIC WindowsNT/ActiveDirectory domain. I can
> smbmount a share that's on a Windows Server 2003 box:
>
> westk@westek:~$ smbclient -L luke
> Password:
> Domain=[ACU] OS=[Windows Server 2003 3790 Service Pack 2]
> Server=[Windows Server 2003 5.2]
>
> Sharename Type Comment
> --------- ---- -------
> J$ Disk Default share
> print$ Disk Printer Drivers
> CIO Cabinet Disk
> <etc etc etc>
> >
> westk@westek:~$ smbmount //luke/pc_apps mnt
> Password:
> westk@westek:~$ ls mnt
> Acrobat dynamic.ini New
> Folder Sophos.lnk
> <etc etc etc>
> But interestingly enough, when I try to un-mount this share, it seems to unmount (the files are no longer viewable), but the "mount" command still lists it as being mounted: westk@westek:~$ smbumount mnt westk@westek:~$ mount <blah blah blah> dev/hda2 on /home/westk/VMs type ext3 (rw) //luke/pc_apps on /home/westk/netShares/pc_apps type cifs (rw,mand,nosuid,nodev,user=westk) //luke/pc_apps on /home/westk/mnt type cifs (rw,mand,nosuid,nodev,user=westk)

Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:54:34 -0700 From: "wauhugo@yahoo.com" <wauhugo@yahoo.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: kernel versus broadcom wlan Message-ID: <47A1FD4A.2010306@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just in case, that this information could be helpful. Here is the PCI address of Broadcom WLAN interface: # lspci 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 02) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From /var/log/dmesg : ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LK1E] enabled at IRQ 17 ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:03:00.0[A] -> Link [LK1E] -> GSI 17 (level, high) -> IRQ 17 PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:03:00.0 to 64 WARNING: at drivers/ssb/main.c:883 ssb_tmslow_reject_bitmask() Pid: 1459, comm: modprobe Not tainted 2.6.24-1-amd64 #1 Call Trace: [<ffffffff8834a7cd>] :ssb:ssb_tmslow_reject_bitmask+0x4a/0x53 [<ffffffff8834b03d>] :ssb:ssb_device_is_enabled+0xf/0x3b [<ffffffff8834d1ba>] :ssb:ssb_pcicore_init+0x19/0x4a [<ffffffff8834a544>] :ssb:ssb_attach_queued_buses+0x9a/0x294 [<ffffffff8834bce0>] :ssb:ssb_pci_get_invariants+0x0/0x2b7 [<ffffffff8834ab53>] :ssb:ssb_bus_register+0x13d/0x1ac [<ffffffff8834ac72>] :ssb:ssb_bus_pcibus_register+0x2a/0x4b [<ffffffff8834c5a1>] :ssb:ssb_pcihost_probe+0x6f/0x9e [<ffffffff8031d360>] pci_device_probe+0xd1/0x138 [<ffffffff80379be6>] driver_probe_device+0xf7/0x174 [<ffffffff80379d05>] __driver_attach+0x0/0x92 [<ffffffff80379d5f>] __driver_attach+0x5a/0x92 [<ffffffff80378fd2>] bus_for_each_dev+0x43/0x6e [<ffffffff80379352>] bus_add_driver+0x77/0x1be [<ffffffff8031d539>] __pci_register_driver+0x58/0x8a [<ffffffff880ef045>] :ssb:ssb_modinit+0x45/0x5d [<ffffffff80256ae8>] sys_init_module+0x16e3/0x1821 [<ffffffff8020be2e>] system_call+0x7e/0x83 ssb: Sonics Silicon Backplane found on PCI device 0000:03:00.0 ---------------------------------------------------------------- And "ssb" gives out warning and trace at this pci-address. Hugo

Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:36:03 -0800 (PST) From: paul <google@pcwehle.de> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: su doesn't work "Authentication failure" Message-ID: <ca034311-fd88-425e-98ca-0fca5f5beb34@k39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, on my debian etch machine 'su' doesn't work if a password is needed. It is possible to do 'su someuser' from root but it's not possible to get back to root then using just 'su' or change from a normal user to another user account. myserver:/tmp$ su Password: su: Authentication failure Sorry. auth.log says: Jan 31 15:44:18 myserver su[27729]: (pam_unix) authentication failure; logname= uid=1000 euid=1000 tty=pts/4 ruser=myuser rhost= user=root Jan 31 15:44:20 myserver su[27729]: pam_authenticate: Authentication failure Jan 31 15:44:20 myserver su[27729]: FAILED su for root by myuser Jan 31 15:44:20 myserver su[27729]: - pts/4 myuser:root I suspect sth. in with the pam module got broken. Any suggestions how to go on? thx, paul

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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:49:35 -0500 From: "Lily Zey" <lilyzey@gmail.com> To: "Debian-user" <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: your web site Message-ID: <85103129.20080131104935@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear:Debian-user You're losing online business to your competitors because you are not positioned high enough on the major search directories. We would like to give a free site analysis to show you what better placement could mean for your company. Our no-cost review includes information on your competitors. Email us today at lilyzey@gmail.com. Our free consultation is a no-hassle review of your online business. Sincerely, Rocket Media

Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:52:12 -0800 (PST) From: Francesco Pietra <chiendarret@yahoo.com> To: debian-users <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Fwd: Total vs per-cpu memory Message-ID: <706327.33252.qm@web57609.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry for the mistake, although otherwise clear from the context: 16GB to= tal is correct as there are 4GB per cpu. francesco --- Francesco Pietra <chiendarret@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:39:43 -0800 (PST)
> From: Francesco Pietra <chiendarret@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Total vs per-cpu memory
> To: debian64 <debian-amd64@lists.debian.org>
>=20
> This question is related to problems in running a docking computation. =
With
> big
> cases, RAM proves insufficient, resulting in immediate "segmentation fa=
ult",
> so
> that "top" cannot inform. Though, from the code it is clear that memory=
is
> insufficient to rotate the object in a non-parallelized part of the pro=
gram.
> Smaller objects do not give problems.
>=20
> My question is: with Tyan S2895 Thunder K8WE, two dual opterons and 1GB=
RAM
> per
> cpu (amd64 etch), are the 16GB available to the single cpu involved in =
the
> computation, or are 4GB available?=20
>=20
> Memory was set with shmmax:
>=20
> kernel.shmmax =3D 16000000000
> kernel.shmall =3D 16000000000
>=20
> sysctl -p
>=20
> Thanks
> francesco pietra
>=20 >=20
> =20
> _________________________________________________________________________= ___________
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.=20
>
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>=20 ___________________________________________________________________= _________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.=20 http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:20:43 -0500 From: "Damon L. Chesser" <damon@damtek.com> To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: su doesn't work "Authentication failure" Message-ID: <47A1F55B.9020804@damtek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit paul wrote:
> Hello,
>
> on my debian etch machine 'su' doesn't work if a password is needed.
> It is possible to do 'su someuser' from root but it's not possible to
> get back to root then using just 'su' or change from a normal user to
> another user account.
> >
> myserver:/tmp$ su
> Password:
> su: Authentication failure
> Sorry.
>
> auth.log says:
> Jan 31 15:44:18 myserver su[27729]: (pam_unix) authentication failure;
> logname= uid=1000 euid=1000 tty=pts/4 ruser=myuser rhost= user=root
> Jan 31 15:44:20 myserver su[27729]: pam_authenticate: Authentication
> failure
> Jan 31 15:44:20 myserver su[27729]: FAILED su for root by myuser
> Jan 31 15:44:20 myserver su[27729]: - pts/4 myuser:root
>
> I suspect sth. in with the pam module got broken.
>
> Any suggestions how to go on?
>
> thx, paul
> >
>
Paul, I had the same issue. I fixed it by doing two things: 1. I used sudo to su to root "sudo su" 2. As I had a BadCRC reported on a HD, I had to re-configure my hardware setup and re-install. The first is a bandaide. The 2nd is a shotgun to kill a bug. Both worked. The source was never found. HTH -- Damon L. Chesser damon@damtek.com

Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:29:55 -0600 From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Blu Ray LG GGW-H20L crashes Linux [Solved] Message-ID: <47A1F783.2090509@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/31/08 08:57, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2008 at 06:37:03AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 01/31/08 01:38, Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: >>> On Wed, 2008-01-30 at 20:13 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: >>>> The only solution is to take out that excess RAM and send it to me! >>> Sorry,.. I've already threw it away ;-P >> Are you old enough to remember when 256KB cost a thousand dollars?
>
> yep, well maybe not $1000, but a lot anyway. and that was so much ram
> how could you ever use it all... I mean that was more than a third of
> 640K and no way did anybody need more than that,
Text-mode DOS apps just didn't *need* much RAM. >> And now we joke about throwing away a GB...
>
> It's wierd, but I still feel like buying memory is splurging. I've got
> a couple machines that could really use another 256-512MB and I can't
> quite stomach buying it. I know, I know, as soon as I look at the
> prices, I'll realise it's dirt cheap and wonder why I didn't do it
> months ago... just a mental block.
Ingrained habit. I can still remember buying a 250MB HDD for $300. Now you get 4000x more capacity for the same price. My desktop has more memory than some of our old still-in-service workhorse Alphas. Of course, the less-old Alphas still have 16-32GB RAM. - -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHofeDS9HxQb37XmcRAiMgAKCJh6qevy5YxMkS5njR1sQsn2Y4CQCdFg5w moV5XswuuILZYlgZT+p8IBI= =P8hk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- End of debian-user-digest Digest V2008 Issue #240 ************************************************* Received on Thu Jan 31 11:39:00 2008

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