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debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2008 : Issue 865

Today's Topics: 

  Re: libpam_umask setup                [ Bug  ]
  Re: Fwd: /dev/null > /dev/sdb1 !      [ Bob McGowan  ]
  intel network adapter on debian 4.0   [ Robert Robert  ]
  Re: intel network adapter on debian   [ =?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=E5kon_Alstadheim?= ]
  OT: Good binary diff?                 [ "Nelson Castillo"  /dev/sdb1 !           [ Mark Allums  ]

Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:36:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Bug <recvfrom@gmail.com>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: libpam_umask setup 

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On Apr 30, 12:30 pm, NN_il_Confusionario <pinkof.pal...@tiscalinet.it> wrote:
> > * From: Bug <recvf...@gmail.com>
> >But when I login in, I still get umask 022. What step am I missing?
>
> I do not use pam_umask , but:
>
> (1) /usr/share/doc/libpam-umask/README says:
>
> If a user has a .pam_umask
> in his home directory, the contents will be used to set the umask.
>
> (2) Linkname: pam_umask(8) - Linux man page
> URL:http://linux.die.net/man/8/pam_umask
> says
>
> The PAM module tries to get the umask value from the following places in the following
> order:
> * umask= argument
> * umask= entry of the users GECOS field
> * pri= entry of the users GECOS field
> * ulimit= entry of the users GECOS field
> * UMASK= entry from /etc/default/login
> * UMASK entry from /etc/login.defs
>
> It also speaks about a debug option.
>
> Looking at the sources (apt-get source libpam-umask), I dubt that the
> man page applies to the debian version of libpam-umask, but a look at
> the above files (/etc/passwd) might be worthy.

Yes, the source doesn't indicate anything like that. It tried ~/.pam_umask
and then the "system" umask, passed as a argument in the form umask=[N]NNN.

I find this package a bit maddening. It mixes hyphens and underscores in names,
paths, etc. Although I have to admit, I've never seen a Debian package name with
an underscore in the name, so if that's the constraint, it can cause confusion.

Do you need help?X

The documentation is lacking some detail too, e.g. only by looking at the source
would you know that the ~/.pam_umask file should only contain [N]NNN, and not
umask=[N]NNN, or some other form. Where does one make suggestions for
improvement? To the package maintainer?

> (3) perhaps a
>
> # strace -f -o /tmp/login.strace.log login -f user
>
> might help

Those were all good suggestions, but when I tried the last one and found the
umask set as I expected, I went hunting. I was logging in via ssh using public
key authentication, and UsePAM was set to 'no' in my /etc/ssh/ sshd_config
file. My fault entirely! Now fixed and working properly. But perhaps the
lively discussion found at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=314539 deserved another caveat.

Thanks for the pointers -- you saved the day!!!

-r

Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:01:10 -0700
From: Bob McGowan <bob_mcgowan@symantec.com> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
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Do you need more help?X

Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am 2008-04-25 01:21:39, schrieb Rafael Fontenelle:
>> Strange. I set a virtual machine with an extra harddisk and I just ran 'cat
>> /dev/null > /dev/hdd' as root with /dev/hdd3 umounted in the first attempt
>> and then mounted in the second, but nothing happened with my partition or
>> the whole virtual disk. See the output below:
>>
>> rffdebian01:/# cat /dev/null > /dev/hdd
>> rffdebian01:/# cd /mnt/hdd3/
>> rffdebian01:/mnt/hdd3# ls
>> file
>> rffdebian01:/mnt/hdd3#
>>
>> It seems that /dev/null really returned _nothing_. Very different from 'cat
>> /dev/zero > /dev/hdd'. This one really formated the virtual harddisk,
>> cleaning incl. the partition table (I had to remake the partitions with
>> cfdisk). Also displayed a message after completing the harddisk with zeros.
>>
>> rffdebian01:/# umount /dev/hdd3 && cat /dev/zero > /dev/hdd
>> cat: write error: No space left on device
>> rffdebian01:/#
>
> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdd bs=1M
>

I don't understand the point you're trying to make, unless it is to just give an alternate way to do the same thing?

Yes, the dd command given will also write zeros to the device. Same as the "cat /dev/zero > /dev/hdd" does.

And, both commands generate the same basic output error (different words, same issue):

   cat: write error [No space left on device]

   dd: writing `/dev/fd0': No space left on device

This is because 'cat' only knows to stop when input reaches EOF, which /dev/zero never gives, and dd will only stop if you tell it how many blocks to write, as in:

   dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/fd0 bs=18k count=80

Can we help you?X

The error messages in the first two cases are simply the response of the disk driver to the fact that it has moved the read/write head to the end of the disk and can't go any farther, even though both commands try to. 

-- 
Bob McGowan

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Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 06:06:06 +1000 From: Alex Samad <alex@samad.com.au> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: troubles with custom repository Message-ID: <20080430200606.GX6276@samad.com.au> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="31zvzas5NXT9fief" Content-Disposition: inline --31zvzas5NXT9fief Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:46:41AM -0500, Matt Zagrabelny wrote:
> Greetings,
>=20
> I am working on creating a custom debian repository at the University
> for whom I work.
>=20
> I have successfully created a "simple" repository, one which has all the
> relevant files in a single hierarchy.
>=20
> I am now trying to split things off and use "pools", so that I can serve
> various distributions (etch, lenny, sid) from the same URL.
>=20
can I suggest looking at this package reprepro and this article http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 you will find life a lot simpler=20 alex [snip]
> -Jim Elliot
--=20 Proof techniques #1: Proof by Induction. This technique is used on equations with "_=08n" in them. Induction techniques are very popular, even the military used them. SAMPLE: Proof of induction without proof of induction. We know it's true for _=08n equal to 1. Now assume that it's true for every natural number less than _=08n. _=08N is arbitrary, so we can ta= ke _=08n as large as we want. If _=08n is sufficiently large, the case of _=08n+1 is trivially equivalent, so the only important _=08n are _=08n less than _=08n= =2E We can take _=08n =3D _=08n (from above), so it's true for _=08n+1 because it'= s just about _=08n. QED. (QED translates from the Latin as "So what?") --31zvzas5NXT9fief Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIGNEukZz88chpJ2MRApwEAJ9gZGYO3Y1Iy68QO7FwHyNZNquPNgCgnpC2 LoHOoiFPhYfX9D0B4J5/uo8= =nr5X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --31zvzas5NXT9fief--

Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:04:56 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?H=E5kon_Alstadheim?= <hakon@alstadheim.priv.no> To: Robert Robert <robertrobert93@yahoo.com> CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: intel network adapter on debian 4.0 Message-ID: <4818D0E8.2010700@alstadheim.priv.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert Robert wrote:
> Dear All,
> I have an intel gigabit ethernet card. When I install it on windows
> with the coming windows drivers, I can click on network connections
> select the card and change stuff like jumbo frames, "Receive
> descriptors" and "Interupt Moderate Rate". Now I have also a linux
> machine with debian 4.0 and kernal 2.6. When I plug in the card it
> seems that there are debian drivers already that comes along with
> debian installation. I can then set it to jumbo frames by setting the
> mtu value. But I have no clue how I should set the "receive
> descriptors" and "Interupt Moderate Rate" value in linux.
Have you checked what options the ethtool(8) command gives you? Compare the available options with the docs on the intel site.

Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:24:28 -0500 From: "Nelson Castillo" <nelsoneci@gmail.com> To: "Debian Users" <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: OT: Good binary diff? Message-ID: <2accc2ff0804301324w4f908c73id651015d59e1c6f1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi. I'd like to know what binary diff program you've been using in a production environment. I've been searching the WEB and I've found a few popular alternatives: * http://jojodiff.sourceforge.net/ * http://www.daemonology.net/bsdiff/ * xdelta3 (In Debian) The second one seems to need a lot of memory. About 850 MB for 50MB files (old and new). I think I might have to run some experiments, since the files I will make tests with don't change much. Regards, Nelson.- -- http://arhuaco.org

Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:54:15 -0400 From: "Damon L. Chesser" <damon@damtek.com> To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jordi_Guti=E9rrez_Hermoso?= <jordigh@gmail.com>, debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Replace Ubuntu with Debian Message-ID: <4818DC77.9040702@damtek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jordi Guti=E9rrez Hermoso wrote:
> On 30/04/2008, Damon L. Chesser <damon@damtek.com> wrote:
> =20
>> Sometime today I will turn off i8k and let you know of the behavior.
>> =20
>
> Thanks, I'd like to know. I sorta trust the BIOS to shut off the
> computer should it ever get too hot, and I don't know if a CPU
> temperature of 70C is dangerous or not, so I would like to know if I
> have to worry about this issue or not.
>
> I do like my number crunching.
>
> - Jordi G. H.
>
> =20
Here is what I did: with i8kutils installed, I ran make-kpkg=20 kernel_image on two diff. kernels. Fans behaved as expected and I=20 stayed relatively cooled. With cpufreq gov to performance the 2nd fan=20 came on at 48C on slow, and went to full speed at about 68C. I uninstalled i8kutils, rebooted and did the same thing in gnome (I=20 needed the sensor applet to "see" the fans). the 2nd fan showed speed of 0 until I got to 62C. The 2nd fan slowed=20 down at about 59C. I killed the two make-kpkg running and watch it slow=20 down. The 2nd fan went back to 0 at about 43C. At rest now with=20 governer to powersave (800MHz) I am running 40C or about 104F. I also kept my hand next to the 2nd fan exhaust port and my touch=20 confirmed the sensor readings (they might not have been accurate, had=20 that happen before). My conclusion: you don't need i8kutils if you are running a Vostro 1500=20 and Ubuntu. Probably will not need it running Debian as as far as I can=20 tell, the BIOS is running the fans, perhaps ACPI: I really don't know,=20 I never had to be concerned with what turned the fans on or off. =20 Anybody out there know? So, all those articles about Dell fans where either appropriate for an=20 earlier/different model laptop, or they needed not to be concerned about=20 it at all. Who would have guessed that that info was wrong, I mean I found it on=20 the internet, and you can always trust the internet, right? Anyway, HTH any of you out there. --=20 Damon L. Chesser damon@damtek.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dchesser

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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:59:24 -0400 From: "Damon L. Chesser" <damon@damtek.com> To: debian-user <debian-user@lists.debian.org> Subject: Re: Replace Ubuntu with Debian Message-ID: <4818DDAC.6090105@damtek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> Jordi Guti=E9rrez Hermoso wrote:
>> On 30/04/2008, Damon L. Chesser <damon@damtek.com> wrote:
>> =20
>>> Do you ever hear your fans blow?
>>> =20
>>
>> Yep, just tried to find the L2 condition number of a 10,000x10,000
>> random matrix, and I heard the fan go on when I did that. The CPU
>> temperature went up to 70C, and then came back down to 40C after I
>> halted the silly computation.
>>
>> Hm, but the fan seems to be blowing all the time, except when I just
>> turn on the machine after it's been in a cool place and off for a long
>> time. Or should it blow harder when I do computations? I didn't notice
>> a change.
>>
>> - Jordi G. H.
>>
>> =20
> Sometime today I will turn off i8k and let you know of the behavior. =20
> I don't remember the default because I scourer the internet for howtos=20
> before I install debian on any laptop to look for pit falls before I=20
> start. So, right from day one, I just went and got i8kutils. Besides=20
> with a low (wow, how far we have come!) level cpu like this, why run=20
> amd64? I would gain nothing, can't even run vms with vitalization=20
> turned on. I would get Geek points, and that IS worth thinking=20
> about..........
One more note on this "low level cpu": I was impressed! I had to=20 really really push this thing to get it to heat up. Running one=20 make-kpkg was not enough to push it to turn on the 2nd fan and the cpu=20 was only running at about 55% with the governor set to performance. =20 Kinda makes sense since this is a 64bit CPU and I was pushing 32bit code=20 around in a 32bit userland.=20 Any other Dell Vostro users out there with debian? Have you had any=20 issues with heat? --=20 Damon L. Chesser damon@damtek.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dchesser

Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:31:39 +0200 From: Thierry Chatelet <tchatelet@free.fr> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: installing scanner canon Message-Id: <200804302331.39291.tchatelet@free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 30 April 2008 20:44:53 Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:27:56 +0200
> Shams Fantar <sfantar@snurf.info> wrote:
>
> Hello Shams,
>
> > Which scanner group ? On my pc ? There is no group "scanner".
>
> Yes, "scanner" group on your computer. If you've got a scanner,
> there's almost certainly a group called scanner. Use whatever
> user/group manager you prefer to ensure your regular user(s) are
> members of the group. If they're not, they won't be able to access the
> device.
Maybe try:adduser toto scanner if you getan error give it here T

Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:22:16 -0500 From: Mark Allums <mark@allums.com> To: paragasu <paragasu@gmail.com> CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: /dev/null > /dev/sdb1 ! Message-ID: <4818FF28.7030106@allums.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit paragasu wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Douglas A. Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca
> <mailto:dtutty@porchlight.ca>> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 08:41:45PM +0800, paragasu wrote:
>
> > Or simply because the hard disk it quite old. I buy it second
> hand because
> > my bios only
> > support 2GB. That hard disk is quite rare nowadays. And if it
> dies, now
> > might be the right
> > time for the hard disk but not the right time for me though. =p
>
> You may wish to consider an industrial-quality compact flash drive. The
> CF adapter plugs in just like a drive and the I-Q CF cards come with a 5
> year warranty and testing by OpenBSD-types (who do a lot of embedded
> devices using CF cards) shows that for many uses they are very reliable.
>
> Doug.
>
>
> can you give a url of the company who sell this?
>
CF cards are sold everywhere. You want the long-life versions. Finding adapters may be a little harder, but mail-order is probably suitable. The internet is your friend here. This was a good idea, I wish I ahd thought of it. -- Mark Allums End of debian-user-digest Digest V2008 Issue #865 ************************************************* Received on Wed Apr 30 20:21:41 2008

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