Mailing List Archive For tech@openbsd.org Jul 2003 By Date

• Thu Jul 31 2003 - 09:23:54 EDT
  • Re: ID isakmpd extension Markus Friedl 
• Thu Jul 31 2003 - 08:41:59 EDT
  • ID isakmpd extension Václav Moucha 
• Wed Jul 30 2003 - 07:29:41 EDT
  • what up bmagoo(at)email.com 
• Thu Jul 31 2003 - 01:21:32 EDT
  • Re: vlan pf filtering problem - kernel bug/changes? Mark Bojara 
• Wed Jul 30 2003 - 16:16:04 EDT
  • Re: vlan pf filtering problem - kernel bug/changes? Okan Demirmen 
• Wed Jul 30 2003 - 16:09:55 EDT
  • Re: vlan pf filtering problem - kernel bug/changes? Mark Bojara 
• Wed Jul 30 2003 - 15:45:12 EDT
  • Re: vlan pf filtering problem - kernel bug/changes? Ted Unangst 
• Wed Jul 30 2003 - 15:39:42 EDT
  • vlan pf filtering problem - kernel bug/changes? Mark Bojara 
• Wed Jul 30 2003 - 11:14:52 EDT
  • post for electric fence Confi'Hastes 
• Wed Jul 30 2003 - 03:31:12 EDT
  • Re: nvi core dumps on SCREENWIDTH - 9 length input. Ray 
• Tue Jul 29 2003 - 22:55:34 EDT
  • How To Increase Sales With Video Gary Gabriel 
• Tue Jul 29 2003 - 17:32:00 EDT
  • Need to send order - paying by either Western Union or Moneygram Express. Ruppthree(at)aol.com 
• Tue Jul 29 2003 - 17:20:06 EDT
  • (no subject) Ruppthree(at)aol.com 
• Tue Jul 29 2003 - 05:37:53 EDT
  • booter Melissa 
• Tue Jul 29 2003 - 05:04:06 EDT
  • Re: Non Profit Organizations Pauwen 
• Mon Jul 28 2003 - 18:50:39 EDT
  • pptp/gre over nat on recent 3.3 snapshot Rob Fenton 
• Sun Jul 27 2003 - 09:55:06 EDT
  • Suspend freeze on a Thinkpad R31 Dave Harrison 
• Sun Jul 27 2003 - 06:46:08 EDT
  • your password: ieven.yeah.net 
• Sat Jul 26 2003 - 21:02:49 EDT
  • your password: ieven.yeah.net 
• Sat Jul 26 2003 - 03:21:40 EDT
  • yahoo booter Naveed Rashid 
• Fri Jul 25 2003 - 21:20:15 EDT
  • Re: FW: Trace & PS outputs from ddb Ted Unangst 
• Fri Jul 25 2003 - 19:27:36 EDT
  • Re: FW: Trace & PS outputs from ddb Michael Coulter 
• Fri Jul 25 2003 - 18:09:09 EDT
  • Re: FW: Trace & PS outputs from ddb Dan Vande More 
• Fri Jul 25 2003 - 16:47:13 EDT
  • Re: BIND 4.9 Nick Holland 
• Fri Jul 25 2003 - 17:37:55 EDT
  • Re: FW: Trace & PS outputs from ddb Ted Unangst 
• Fri Jul 25 2003 - 17:16:38 EDT
  • Re: BIND 4.9 Nick Holland 
• Fri Jul 25 2003 - 16:23:37 EDT
  • FW: Trace & PS outputs from ddb Dan Vande More 
• Fri Jul 25 2003 - 16:20:20 EDT
  • FW: Trace & PS outputs from ddb Dan Vande More 
• Fri Jul 25 2003 - 13:09:06 EDT
  • Re: BIND 4.9 Pedro Bastos 
• Fri Jul 25 2003 - 15:44:24 EDT
  • BIND 4.9 Marcio Ribeiro 
• Fri Jul 25 2003 - 07:03:03 EDT
  • Re: OpenBSD base install and Apache Henning Brauer 
• Fri Jul 25 2003 - 06:44:10 EDT
  • Re: OpenBSD base install and Apache Andreas Kähäri 
• Fri Jul 25 2003 - 06:33:03 EDT
  • Re: OpenBSD base install and Apache Adam Stroud 
• Fri Jul 25 2003 - 06:20:07 EDT
  • OpenBSD base install and Apache Adam Stroud 
• Thu Jul 24 2003 - 12:57:12 EDT
  • computer keeps rebooting itself MGislerM(at)aol.com 
• Thu Jul 24 2003 - 07:20:24 EDT
  • raidctl -i freezes System Felix 'buebo' Kakrow 
• Thu Jul 24 2003 - 03:24:36 EDT
  • OPTi drivers (was Re: Hallo ) Thorsten Glaser 
• Thu Jul 24 2003 - 03:11:15 EDT
  • Hallo Andreas 
• Wed Jul 23 2003 - 16:18:50 EDT
  • Re: unionfs diagnostics question Chuck Yerkes 
• Wed Jul 09 2003 - 12:30:51 EDT
  • did you ever get bridge firewall working with multicast? cmartinez(at)csom.umn.edu 
• Wed Jul 23 2003 - 08:24:38 EDT
  • Re: USB trouble with snapshot 2003-7-16 Ray 
• Wed Jul 23 2003 - 04:24:58 EDT
  • Re: unionfs diagnostics question Ted Unangst 
• Wed Jul 23 2003 - 02:15:51 EDT
  • unionfs diagnostics question Jeff Bachtel 
• Tue Jul 22 2003 - 22:08:10 EDT
  • Re: Fishy TCP Dump output Philip Guenther 
• Tue Jul 22 2003 - 21:59:17 EDT
  • Re: Fishy TCP Dump output gabe f 
• Tue Jul 22 2003 - 17:33:03 EDT
  • Re: USB trouble with snapshot 2003-7-16 Michael Coulter 
• Tue Jul 22 2003 - 16:59:27 EDT
  • Re: USB trouble with snapshot 2003-7-16 Matthew Kent 
• Tue Jul 22 2003 - 16:48:04 EDT
  • USB trouble with snapshot 2003-7-16 Paul A. Mayer 
• Tue Jul 22 2003 - 15:48:50 EDT
  • Fishy TCP Dump output Eric Bullen 
• Tue Jul 22 2003 - 13:30:39 EDT
  • Re: sdiff (was Re: CVS: cvs.openbsd.org: src) Peter Valchev 
• Tue Jul 22 2003 - 13:24:20 EDT
  • sdiff (was Re: CVS: cvs.openbsd.org: src) Hannah Schroeter 
• Tue Jul 22 2003 - 06:54:43 EDT
  • Re: sha1.c in libc is not thread-safe? Markus Friedl 
• Mon Jul 21 2003 - 22:28:56 EDT
  • Re: altq/packet filtering interfere Ray 
• Mon Jul 21 2003 - 16:35:10 EDT
  • Re: sha1.c in libc is not thread-safe? Todd C. Miller 
• Mon Jul 21 2003 - 16:33:52 EDT
  • Re: sha1.c in libc is not thread-safe? Todd C. Miller 
• Mon Jul 21 2003 - 14:41:45 EDT
  • Re: altq/packet filtering interfere Mark Bojara 
• Mon Jul 21 2003 - 14:23:05 EDT
  • Re: sha1.c in libc is not thread-safe? Marco S Hyman 
• Mon Jul 21 2003 - 13:13:10 EDT
  • sha1.c in libc is not thread-safe? Hiroki Sato 
• Mon Jul 21 2003 - 06:40:49 EDT
  • Cross compiler to make Solaris binarys with OpenBSD warpdrive(at)quantentunnel.de 
• Mon Jul 21 2003 - 03:44:44 EDT
  • uvm_pdaemon.c evgeniy 
• Sun Jul 20 2003 - 19:45:58 EDT
  • Re: -current snapshot libcom_err.so.1.0 Brad 
• Sun Jul 20 2003 - 12:19:24 EDT
  • Re: altq/packet filtering interfere - *update* Henning Brauer 
• Sun Jul 20 2003 - 06:30:26 EDT
  • Re: -current snapshot libcom_err.so.1.0 Volker Kindermann 
• Sun Jul 20 2003 - 00:42:03 EDT
  • help Àõ¦p Tiffany Tsai 
• Sat Jul 19 2003 - 21:56:14 EDT
  • Re: boot code pls Peter Hessler 
• Sun Jul 20 2003 - 10:44:58 EDT
  • give me a help from China shusong 
• Sat Jul 19 2003 - 16:05:47 EDT
  • boot code pls rumman ahmed 
• Sat Jul 19 2003 - 06:01:49 EDT
  • Re: altq/packet filtering interfere Mark Bojara 
• Sat Jul 19 2003 - 06:00:08 EDT
  • Re: altq/packet filtering interfere - *update* Mark Bojara 
• Sat Jul 19 2003 - 04:29:14 EDT
  • Re: driver memory debugging Trevor Talbot 
• Fri Jul 18 2003 - 19:00:16 EDT
  • Re: driver memory debugging Trevor Talbot 
• Fri Jul 18 2003 - 17:42:31 EDT
  • Re: driver memory debugging Erblichs 
• Fri Jul 18 2003 - 17:34:32 EDT
  • Re: Secure Levels Question Ted Unangst 
• Fri Jul 18 2003 - 17:29:48 EDT
  • driver memory debugging Trevor Talbot 
• Fri Jul 18 2003 - 18:13:42 EDT
  • Secure Levels Question Michael Halcrow 
• Fri Jul 18 2003 - 16:08:06 EDT
  • Re: E-GOLD - VERIFY YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS : Postmaster / Admin Peter Hessler 
• Fri Jul 18 2003 - 15:44:38 EDT
  • Re: E-GOLD - VERIFY YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS : Postmaster / Admin Erblichs 
• Fri Jul 18 2003 - 15:36:44 EDT
  • Re: altq/packet filtering interfere Erblichs 
• Fri Jul 18 2003 - 15:35:10 EDT
  • Re: altq/packet filtering interfere - *update* Henning Brauer 
• Fri Jul 18 2003 - 13:56:08 EDT
  • Re: altq/packet filtering interfere - *update* Mark Bojara 
• Fri Jul 18 2003 - 09:28:02 EDT
  • Re: kernel sven_dehmlow(at)gmx.de 
• Fri Jul 18 2003 - 09:17:36 EDT
  • altq/packet filtering interfere Mark Bojara 
• Fri Jul 18 2003 - 16:33:27 EDT
  • E-GOLD - VERIFY YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS Verify 
• Thu Jul 17 2003 - 23:44:44 EDT
  • Re: All Non Profit Organizations harvey65(at)topflightscore.com 
• Thu Jul 17 2003 - 17:45:41 EDT
  • Yacht-selection of the month juli 2003 ... boatselection 
• Thu Jul 17 2003 - 14:25:37 EDT
  • kernel Augusto Kojima 
• Wed Jul 16 2003 - 21:35:48 EDT
  • Re: yahoo booter Francois Briere 
• Wed Jul 16 2003 - 12:50:41 EDT
  • Re: threads and signal masks Erblichs 
• Wed Jul 16 2003 - 04:29:05 EDT
  • Re: -current snapshot libcom_err.so.1.0 Jan Johansson 
• Wed Jul 16 2003 - 02:09:13 EDT
  • -current snapshot libcom_err.so.1.0 Bruno Saverio Delbono 
• Tue Jul 15 2003 - 13:08:34 EDT
  • Re: New commit to games? Robert Nagy 
• Tue Jul 15 2003 - 13:00:58 EDT
  • Re: New commit to games? Chuck Yerkes 
• Tue Jul 15 2003 - 11:37:13 EDT
  • Re: threads and signal masks Barry Scott 
• Mon Jul 14 2003 - 23:26:22 EDT
  • Re: threads and signal masks Gregory Steuck 
• Mon Jul 14 2003 - 22:18:39 EDT
  • Added feature to tftpd Kim D 
• Mon Jul 14 2003 - 07:48:47 EDT
  • Design your own Linux-shoes bART I Cmax-Europe BV 
• Mon Jul 14 2003 - 20:11:02 EDT
  • Re: Problems with MTU Erblichs 
• Mon Jul 14 2003 - 19:50:24 EDT
  • Problems with MTU Gabriel Gonzalez 
• Mon Jul 14 2003 - 18:22:50 EDT
  • kernel panic woodi 
• Mon Jul 14 2003 - 18:10:02 EDT
  • threads and signal masks Marco S Hyman 
• Sun Jul 13 2003 - 08:29:33 EDT
  • 3.3 panic Craig Metz 
• Mon Jul 14 2003 - 14:33:35 EDT
  • Re: New commit to games? Pedro Bastos 
• Mon Jul 14 2003 - 13:41:26 EDT
  • Re: New commit to games? Robert Nagy 
• Mon Jul 14 2003 - 12:28:26 EDT
  • Re: New commit to games? Jason Downs 
• Mon Jul 14 2003 - 12:27:32 EDT
  • Re: New commit to games? Robert Nagy 
• Mon Jul 14 2003 - 12:19:44 EDT
  • Re: New commit to games? Jolan Luff 
• Mon Jul 14 2003 - 12:10:39 EDT
  • Re: New commit to games? Robert Nagy 
• Mon Jul 14 2003 - 11:36:55 EDT
  • New commit to games? Robert Nagy 
• Sun Jul 13 2003 - 17:41:07 EDT
  • Trace & PS outputs from ddb Dan Vande More 
• Sun Jul 13 2003 - 17:10:57 EDT
  • binary upgrade Matthijs Mohlmann 
• Sun Jul 13 2003 - 05:59:36 EDT
  • Re: Stripping VLAN tags Henning Brauer 
• Sun Jul 13 2003 - 04:40:56 EDT
  • Re: malloc() does not set errno Otto Moerbeek 
• Sat Jul 12 2003 - 21:36:12 EDT
  • tftpd.c adding comments Kim D 
• Sat Jul 12 2003 - 07:31:50 EDT
  • IEEE1394 support joerg(at)britannica.bec.de 
• Fri Jul 11 2003 - 14:04:35 EDT
  • Re: FreeBSD's ath wireless driver Federico G. Schwindt 
• Fri Jul 11 2003 - 13:05:20 EDT
  • Re: FreeBSD's ath wireless driver Alejandro G. Belluscio 
• Fri Jul 11 2003 - 12:48:27 EDT
  • FreeBSD's ath wireless driver Kurt Raschke 
• Fri Jul 11 2003 - 12:40:07 EDT
  • Re: Stripping VLAN tags Anil Madhavapeddy 
• Fri Jul 11 2003 - 11:59:40 EDT
  • Re: Stripping VLAN tags Glenn E. Bailey III 
• Fri Jul 11 2003 - 11:36:10 EDT
  • Re: Stripping VLAN tags Anil Madhavapeddy 
• Fri Jul 11 2003 - 10:23:05 EDT
  • Stripping VLAN tags Glenn E. Bailey III 
• Fri Jul 11 2003 - 03:09:39 EDT
  • mbufs in the BSD network stack Manik, Raina (IE10) 
• Thu Jul 10 2003 - 21:16:49 EDT
  • Re: mips toolchains again cmxu 
• Thu Jul 10 2003 - 18:25:59 EDT
  • OpenBSD on Zaurus SL-5600 Ross Dmochowski 
• Thu Jul 10 2003 - 11:36:17 EDT
  • Re: Dropping a connection before accept() William Ahern 
• Thu Jul 10 2003 - 11:59:53 EDT
  • Re: mips toolchains again Todd T. Fries 
• Thu Jul 10 2003 - 08:04:33 EDT
  • Re: malloc() does not set errno Hiroki Sato 
• Thu Jul 10 2003 - 05:28:01 EDT
  • Re: Dropping a connection before accept() Ted Unangst 
• Thu Jul 10 2003 - 00:54:56 EDT
  • Re: Understanding the kernel Zvezdan Petkovic 
• Wed Jul 09 2003 - 23:42:37 EDT
  • Re: Understanding the kernel Fábio Olivé Leite 
• Wed Jul 09 2003 - 19:36:55 EDT
  • Re: Understanding the kernel James Buchanan 
• Wed Jul 09 2003 - 17:18:18 EDT
  • Re: yahoo booter Peter Hessler 
• Wed Jul 09 2003 - 17:32:14 EDT
  • Re: open(2) misinformation ? jmc 
• Wed Jul 09 2003 - 16:57:20 EDT
  • yahoo booter Dowie Atan 
• Wed Jul 09 2003 - 16:50:28 EDT
  • Re: malloc() does not set errno Michael Marking 
• Wed Jul 09 2003 - 16:09:16 EDT
  • Dropping a connection before accept() h1kari 
• Wed Jul 09 2003 - 15:09:18 EDT
  • Re: malloc() does not set errno Tobias Weingartner 
• Wed Jul 09 2003 - 14:52:11 EDT
  • Re: malloc() does not set errno Otto Moerbeek 
• Wed Jul 09 2003 - 14:44:17 EDT
  • Re: malloc() does not set errno Todd C. Miller 
• Wed Jul 09 2003 - 14:24:30 EDT
  • Re: malloc() does not set errno Erblichs 
• Wed Jul 09 2003 - 13:59:16 EDT
  • Re: Understanding the kernel tedu 
• Wed Jul 09 2003 - 13:40:07 EDT
  • Re: malloc() does not set errno Hiroki Sato 
• Wed Jul 09 2003 - 13:29:29 EDT
  • Re: Understanding the kernel Chuck Yerkes 
• Wed Jul 09 2003 - 12:28:59 EDT
  • Re: malloc() does not set errno Todd C. Miller 
• Wed Jul 09 2003 - 10:36:24 EDT
  • open(2) misinformation ? Pedro Bastos 
• Wed Jul 09 2003 - 03:59:58 EDT
  • malloc() does not set errno Hiroki Sato 
• Tue Jul 08 2003 - 18:05:43 EDT
  • Re: Understanding the kernel tedu 
• Tue Jul 08 2003 - 17:50:27 EDT
  • Re: DVD/VCR Foobar Baznihoif 
• Tue Jul 08 2003 - 17:36:23 EDT
  • DVD/VCR mduslak 
• Tue Jul 08 2003 - 14:40:26 EDT
  • Re: nvi core dumps on SCREENWIDTH - 9 length input. Matthijs Mohlmann 
• Tue Jul 08 2003 - 13:56:29 EDT
  • Re: Understanding the kernel caff(at)openbeer.it 
• Tue Jul 08 2003 - 12:16:45 EDT
  • Re: Understanding the kernel Dave Steinberg 
• Tue Jul 08 2003 - 12:19:42 EDT
  • Re: Understanding the kernel Rick Pettit 
• Tue Jul 08 2003 - 08:56:21 EDT
  • Re: Understanding the kernel Christian Schroeder 
• Tue Jul 08 2003 - 08:52:35 EDT
  • Re: Understanding the kernel Zvezdan Petkovic 
• Tue Jul 08 2003 - 08:04:05 EDT
  • Re: Understanding the kernel Wouter Clarie 
• Tue Jul 08 2003 - 07:49:35 EDT
  • Understanding the kernel James Buchanan 
• Tue Jul 08 2003 - 06:00:26 EDT
  • Re: nvi core dumps on SCREENWIDTH - 9 length input. Daniel Hartmeier 
• Tue Jul 08 2003 - 05:10:10 EDT
  • Re: nvi core dumps on SCREENWIDTH - 9 length input. Ray 
• Tue Jul 08 2003 - 04:14:23 EDT
  • Re: nvi core dumps on SCREENWIDTH - 9 length input. Henning Brauer 
• Tue Jul 08 2003 - 04:09:05 EDT
  • Re: nvi core dumps on SCREENWIDTH - 9 length input. Otto Moerbeek 
• Tue Jul 08 2003 - 02:09:18 EDT
  • Re: nvi core dumps on SCREENWIDTH - 9 length input. Ray 
• Tue Jul 08 2003 - 01:24:16 EDT
  • Re: nvi core dumps on SCREENWIDTH - 9 length input. itojun(at)iijlab.net 
• Tue Jul 08 2003 - 00:34:40 EDT
  • Re: nvi core dumps on SCREENWIDTH - 9 length input. Ray 
• Tue Jul 08 2003 - 11:48:24 EDT
  • Re: Debugging ld.so Kurt Miller 
• Mon Jul 07 2003 - 22:34:10 EDT
  • Re: nvi core dumps on SCREENWIDTH - 9 length input. Todd C. Miller 
• Mon Jul 07 2003 - 20:29:29 EDT
  • nvi core dumps on SCREENWIDTH - 9 length input. Ray 
• Mon Jul 07 2003 - 16:14:50 EDT
  • Re: SiS ethernet Paul de Weerd 
• Mon Jul 07 2003 - 12:26:28 EDT
  • Re: Debugging ld.so Dale Rahn 
• Mon Jul 07 2003 - 09:25:07 EDT
  • SiS ethernet joerg(at)britannica.bec.de 
• Sat Jul 05 2003 - 17:12:14 EDT
  • Re: ext2fs panic: spec_close: not special Otto Moerbeek 
• Sat Jul 05 2003 - 16:41:07 EDT
  • Re: openbsd 3.3-current compiling Norbert P. Copones 
• Sat Jul 05 2003 - 16:34:57 EDT
  • Re: openbsd 3.3-current compiling Mark Bojara 
• Sat Jul 05 2003 - 16:17:59 EDT
  • Re: openbsd 3.3-current compiling Norbert P. Copones 
• Sat Jul 05 2003 - 16:11:53 EDT
  • Re: openbsd 3.3-current compiling Norbert P. Copones 
• Sat Jul 05 2003 - 16:04:35 EDT
  • Re: openbsd 3.3-current compiling Todd C. Miller 
• Sat Jul 05 2003 - 15:59:52 EDT
  • Re: openbsd 3.3-current compiling Andreas Kähäri 
• Sat Jul 05 2003 - 15:31:13 EDT
  • Re: openbsd 3.3-current compiling Mark Bojara 
• Sat Jul 05 2003 - 15:22:45 EDT
  • Re: ext2fs panic: spec_close: not special Otto Moerbeek 
• Sat Jul 05 2003 - 15:01:55 EDT
  • openbsd 3.3-current compiling Mark Bojara 
• Fri Jul 04 2003 - 21:36:14 EDT
  • Re: openbsd 3.3-current stability Rukh 
• Fri Jul 04 2003 - 19:10:21 EDT
  • Re: current nsswitch work? Chuck Yerkes 
• Fri Jul 04 2003 - 08:24:52 EDT
  • Re: openbsd 3.3-current stability evgeniy 
• Fri Jul 04 2003 - 14:06:23 EDT
  • Re: current nsswitch work? Miod Vallat 
• Fri Jul 04 2003 - 14:06:30 EDT
  • Re: openbsd 3.3-current stability Marco Peereboom 
• Fri Jul 04 2003 - 14:00:36 EDT
  • Re: -nolisten tcp as default for X? Fábio Olivé Leite 
• Fri Jul 04 2003 - 12:35:25 EDT
  • -nolisten tcp as default for X? Fábio Olivé Leite 
• Fri Jul 04 2003 - 12:29:37 EDT
  • current nsswitch work? Benjamin A. Collins 
• Fri Jul 04 2003 - 11:25:56 EDT
  • ext2fs panic: spec_close: not special Otto Moerbeek 
• Fri Jul 04 2003 - 07:20:30 EDT
  • Re: newbie select() problem Josh 
• Fri Jul 04 2003 - 07:11:28 EDT
  • Re: openbsd 3.3-current stability Henning Brauer 
• Fri Jul 04 2003 - 07:08:52 EDT
  • Re: openbsd 3.3-current stability Armin Wolfermann 
• Fri Jul 04 2003 - 06:57:10 EDT
  • openbsd 3.3-current stability Mark Bojara 
• Thu Jul 03 2003 - 20:40:19 EDT
  • Re: pthread_mutex_trylock, unlock Marco S Hyman 
• Thu Jul 03 2003 - 18:39:46 EDT
  • newbie select() problem Florin SIMEN 
• Thu Jul 03 2003 - 17:48:22 EDT
  • pthread_mutex_trylock, unlock William Ahern 
• Thu Jul 03 2003 - 14:06:54 EDT
  • Problems prism hostap mode with Firmware 1.7.4 Jaime Vargas 
• Thu Jul 03 2003 - 13:22:53 EDT
  • Re: is there way to force kernel to fragment packets? John R. Shannon 
• Thu Jul 03 2003 - 12:50:30 EDT
  • is there way to force kernel to fragment packets? c0g 
• Wed Jul 02 2003 - 05:10:34 EDT
  • Re: ntp is bugging my named? Barry Scott 
• Wed Jul 02 2003 - 05:02:25 EDT
  • Re: ntp is bugging my named? Barry Scott 
• Wed Jul 02 2003 - 04:07:36 EDT
  • ntp is bugging my named? Raymond Morsman 

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